Final Fantasy Hacktics

Ah, don't throw the book at me, I'm still learning.  *ducks*  Good insight though.  I haven't dabbed much with magic yet, and I'm just commenting on what I am seeing in the matches.  Fire/Ice/Thunder series, very rare.  MP cost seems negligible to me, to some extent, as I've noticed most teams have some manner of MP restoring on their magic units, which, of course, makes sense.

QuoteFaith backfires, things get raped.  Ouch.  That's the risk of running Faith Rod.  Not much else to say here besides the fact you probably should be running revival on the units most likely to live... which in this case isn't the Oracles.  A lot of teams seem to do this, and stuff all their revival on the units most likely to be targeted and maimed horribly.  Stoppit.

*sigh*  I am at a crossroads here.  I am not sure if anyone noticed, but this team is supposed to be set up so that the Oracles Zombie the enemies, and then the Knights take them down for a (usually) reliable ~75-80% consecrate.  The Knights are built beefy, too, so they can take some hits before the Oracles set up the spells.  However, as has been demonstrated, the Oracles are absolutely planetary-destruction style violated by magic.  I am thinking of lowering the Faith just a tad (~62-63), ditching Faith Rod, and slapping Magic Defense Up on both.  My concerns are now, though, somewhat low percentage Zombie.  Also, I could outfit them with more HP.  All this too, however, means that the one Oracle's White Magic will be doing asstacular healing.  And Raise won't be very reliable.  Oh, and another thing I've noticed.  How bad of an idea was Ignore Height.  It's like, "Hey dudes let's get into range of the opposing team so they can one shot us on their first turn!  Yay!".  Ugh.  Decisions, decisions.  Oh, one more thing I could add to the equation, Protect and Shell, perhaps via equipment, on the Knights and Oracles.  With Magic Defense Up, Shell, and a lowered Faith, the Oracles shouldn't be getting one shotted anymore.

Course I could say fudge it to all this and build a Monk/Monk Ninja/Ninja Ninjitsu rape team with Punch Art support.  No need to worry about Faith nonsense.

QuoteTwo incredibly claustrophobic maps + him dealing double damage to half my units + him having huge instant AoE or MAP skills that don't trigger Dragon Spirit + my unit's AI being unexpectedly conservative + him having higher speed on said units able to deal tons of double-damage AoE = What did you seriously expect?

Shit happens.

Actually, I thought that his team having Dark Healing all around was the clincher.  Your Knights just weren't doing enough damage, and they're close range melee.  So you're out ranged pretty severely.  This team makes Kotetsu look overpowered.  The Mediators are pretty fragile though, and Undead.  So any manner of Raise 2 teams will probably decimate this team severely.

lol what's your strategy then?  Win by default in those kinds of matches?   

Been noticing some trends.  Monks with Ninjitsu maximized for damage = teh arpe.  Stick wielding anything, maximized = also teh arpe.  I still think Bio is overpowered, and one of the most powerful and economic spells.  One shot Holies and Flares are also effective.  FDC has some strong ass teams y'all, containing the aforementioned first two.  Also, I've noticed it's better to let a unit die and resurrect them to full health with Raise 2, than waste turns with healing of any sort.  Healing is difficult to maximize, and placing the team on the defensive seems to generally be a bad idea.  The problem is that while in general the AI is suicidal, when in critical, they will retreat above all options.  It's actually better to let a unit go in, do damage, die if they must, and be rezed at full health, than have that unit take damage, and run away in critical, either wasting turns healing (from the unit in question or other team units) or sitting in a corner cowering.

Thanks Barren for the uploads.  I also enjoy the commentary a lot  

Yes, that makes sense, of course.  I had some tweaks in mind, that came from seeing the glaring weaknesses in the team the first round, such as too much move on the Mediator, largely useless back row Chemists and things of a similar nature.  The team at it's core, shouldn't change too much.

Hopefully the final revision of Vampire Hunters.  Should be paying more attention when editing teams.  Sloppy.  So for teams from the first round, are revisions allowed for those teams in the second round?  How does that work?

Curious to see how Undead + Consecration would do on that strategy (unless you have Undead protection, haven't looked at the team in depth).  Hey fdc can you hold out on the rematch for a bit?  I want to rework Vampire Hunters further.  If you've already recorded it, don't worry about.  Or if it can't wait, it's fine.  Otherwise, there are some changes I wanted to make.  Team's been edited ...

QuoteIf he had more healing, I would've just Speed Broke him to 1 per unit and stabbed him to death then.

30 hours later maybe.  Don't get me wrong, in a way I think the lack of healing/MP healing was for the better, so that we didn't end up with a 3 hour match.

I appreciate the hard work on the fixes if it means anything. 

Quote-Muramasa is dealing 100% Death Sentence.  Outside of changing which skill slot its located in or some form of ASM, I cannot find a way to fix this.  I may try changing the skillslot around later when my head isn't pounding like shit, though.

I'm sorry but that's hilarious.   

I guess you really weren't kidding about that Death Sentence hax in my match.

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I didn't mean to make it seem like I was Balking at it.  Just having a discussion/conversation.  I understand that I'm late to the party, so to speak, and it's obviously the reason why.  I understand it must be frustrating to repeat information that's already been covered, but thank you, I do appreciate it.  I enjoy watching the matches, and have been looking for a type of FFT match service since the original came out on the PS.  And it's nice to know that there's a community developed around it with the intention of making it balanced, as well.

In essence, YUSD is a good test to see if a team is even worthy of placing in the competition.  That's good to know.

Wow, lol, I subconsciously capitalized Balk, as if it were the name  

Quote from: CT5Holy on October 06, 2011, 12:47:39 am
It's kinda hard when 1. you do crap damage, 2. they can easily outheal your crap damage, and 3. Don't Act means they take less damage, and gives them time for the Dances to kick in.

Well, that's right.  When I say offence I mean, if you're on the offensive, maximize your PA/MA (ability granted), and the pick the most high damaging ones for the situation.  From the videos I've watched (and granted I haven't seen 100% of them all yet), maximized physical/magical abilities are dominant.  Spreading your stats out too thin and doing moderate/measly damage doesn't seem to be as effective in the current patch build.

Quote from: RavenOfRazgriz on October 05, 2011, 11:51:26 pm
I think you missed the Dancers, my friend...

No.  Just because I didn't include them in my post, doesn't mean I didn't think about them.  They were a problem because the battle languished on for as long as it did.  More concentration on offence, and YUSD would have been thrown into sandbagging mode.

Referring to the fact they WERE built defensively in that instance?  Much easier to built on offence than defense, and if your only offence is Death Sentence AND you also have access to Item, once you're down to critical, it's sandbagging till you're dead.  If FDC focused solely on offence, he may have broken through, early in the match.

I realize that, but I think you know what I meant, they'd effective get one turn, then fall.

If you think about it, let's say a unit has an average 300 HP, and a moderately strong unit that can inflict 150 damage can down them in two turns.  Why would (should?) the unit waste one turn casting Death Sentence, then having the target unit run around for 2 more turns?

I can maybe see that strategy working if say the unit that causes Death Sentence is built entirely for Defence/Run Away, but the AI more or less rushes in head first.

Maybe that purpose just isn't very effective.  But I certainly don't discourage a variety of teams.  Maybe Death Sentence should drop the unit in 2 turns instead of 3?