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News => News => Topic started by: Xifanie on August 04, 2010, 10:24:43 am

Title: Time Warp
Post by: Xifanie on August 04, 2010, 10:24:43 am
I tried to restore important topics deleted by Voldemort, but I accidentally fucked up the forum's index. That's what you get when messing directly with the database...
Basically I was clueless, so I proceeded to time warp. Sorry, if you posted within the last 10 hours, your posts are gone.

EDIT: Oh by the way, I banned Voldemort. I have yet to take a final decision for his case.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 04, 2010, 11:11:33 am
O.O
What did Voldemort do?
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Xifanie on August 04, 2010, 11:16:35 am
He deleted many topics out of rage at 1:30AM and claims he doesn't remember.
The moderation logs proves he did though.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Kagebunji on August 04, 2010, 11:43:23 am
Don't ban him, he was really pissed, and wasn't thinking straight. I know it is hard to decide, but unban him, I would be pretty pissed if I were him too. All up to you
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: philsov on August 04, 2010, 11:58:34 am
put your hands on your hips~
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael2 on August 04, 2010, 12:45:28 pm
I made this account to post here to let you guys know why I deleted topics, but let it be clear that I am not asking for an unban. I came on FFH mostly to work on KoI, Zodiac's hack, with Asmo (we were actually doing some really cool stuff, but now that I'm banned I guess alot of the stuff I had planned will never see the light of day)

Last night while on IRC with Asmo on #FFTIA I stumbled upon some crazy marketing topic R999 made on IA about making official leaks of IA, stating that the quality of the mod is such that it should be featured on gaming sites and magazines

Asmo and me called R999 out on it, saying that it was crazy talk, because stuff like that can get FFH into trouble. Not just IA, but the entire site could get a Cease & Decist from Square. In fact, with the grandiose way R999 talks about things, I'm surprised SE hasn't noticed yet - he treats it all like a Blizzard Activision Corporate release of a full game with DRM on it.

R999 edited the topic immediately (Although I should have screen capped it so you would see how crazy it actually was) and I deleted it shortly after. I also (apparently according to the mod log) deleted like 5-6 other topics in the process, all at once, and that is why I'm banned. Though I don't see why that matters if Zodiac just did a lolTime Warp and got them back without much trouble

Ideas like the ones R999 has, mainly riding the success of WOTL for iPhone are dangerous as hell, and I was very frustrated to see that his intentions were to do it on the backs of other people's work. As many of you know, the only thing R999 actually works on is spriting, and depends(depended?) on other people to actually finish IA for him. And then reading that he wanted massive success on gaming mags? C'mon, that'd piss you off too, especially if you are someone who has put in as much effort as me on FFH (the entire thing, not just 1.3) and trying to make it a better place.

I'm glad I deleted the topic(s) and don't regret doing so, IMO R999 is bad news, and if I have to get banned for this message to get across to you, then I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 04, 2010, 01:04:20 pm
So basically, you're mad at R999 for removing a topic that he should have removed? Can I ask how LDs story thread was going to get FFH into trouble? How about the event thread? Hero breakdowns? Astathon sprite thread? How are these topics endangering this site?
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael2 on August 04, 2010, 01:07:21 pm
The Astathon sprite thread was endangering people's eyesight

LD's story thread was endangering people's sanity

The event thread I concede

:)
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 04, 2010, 01:11:30 pm
You will die alone
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael2 on August 04, 2010, 01:25:41 pm
^ yeah ok


I spoke to Zodiac, I told him that I'm not coming back

later guys

enjoy 1.3
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 04, 2010, 01:30:35 pm
Translation: QQ
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Kagebunji on August 04, 2010, 01:34:46 pm
See ya, Arch, we will miss you!
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 04, 2010, 01:36:52 pm
Quote from: "Kagebunji"See ya, Arch, we will miss you!
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: beawulfx on August 04, 2010, 02:25:24 pm
Ok I know I don't come around here as often but I thought I kept up on most things, but what the heck is FFTIA? I haven't seen anything about it on the forums, is it only being discussed on IRC or what have you? This topic/Arch's banning is unfortunate, but well, I have no idea what the real problem was since I've never even heard of this mod/hack that was causing so much trouble.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Smash on August 04, 2010, 02:29:54 pm
Lmao

Give R999 a special member title
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: PX_Timefordeath on August 04, 2010, 03:23:30 pm
See ya, Arch, we will miss you!

Yeah, it'll definitely be less fun.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Zozma on August 04, 2010, 03:29:50 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort2"^ yeah ok


I spoke to Zodiac, I told him that I'm not coming back

later guys

enjoy 1.3


Goodbye... (said in very monotone voice with a slight hint of a smile)
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: FFMaster on August 04, 2010, 05:20:03 pm
Later Arch. It won't be as fun around anymore.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: scatttman on August 04, 2010, 05:33:41 pm
that explain why my post were deleted
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Dome on August 04, 2010, 07:20:46 pm
Quote from: "Zodiac"Oh by the way, I banned Voldemort
Come on, tell me you're just kidding, like you did when you told everybody that the 1.3 section was deleted from the forum...(The whole FFT: Item toke jopic)
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Zozma on August 04, 2010, 08:30:48 pm
fraid not. he made a mess of things
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: BloodyBlade on August 04, 2010, 09:44:53 pm
Damn. Its sad that you are leaving the community. You the one that got me playing this game again. Dont worry, I will always remember the fun times we had. Never forget that.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Xifanie on August 05, 2010, 06:40:00 pm
Let me remind you people that banning Voldemort was a temporary measure until the real sentence was established. Normally this would have been a temp ban.
However given the particularities of this case and after examining Bastard's suggestion, I came to the conclusion the best way to deal with this problem was to lock Voldemort's moderating powers. This way, Voldemort would not be able to abuse his powers anymore, while still being able to contribute to FFH.

Voldemort, there is no doubt you've contributed a lot to FFH, and that a lot of people appreciate your works. After you decided to destroy IA because of your rage for R999, I had to take an immediate action on the matter. Let me remind you that the point of talking to R999 was to make him take his responsibilities and forget about his retarded ideas (like the marketing topic for instance). When you took action without my consent, you attacked IA as if it were R999, and you had no right to do so. Why? Because a lot of people OTHER than R999 are working on it. How is that relevant? We (or I at least) don't want their work to go to waste. And believe me; if R999 quits IA, I'm going to banhammer the fuck out of him.
Funny that you have always been saying that you respect completely my decisions, yet you took an action of your own, as if you thought I would agree?
Should I mention that you didn't even give me enough time to read the marketing topic?
You seriously need to learn how to control your own emotions, IA was still hidden damnit, forget about that C&D.
If you are going to just run away because you can't accept a temporary ban, then you're as much of a wuss as that loli-pedo Jacob31593 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=491). You're still welcome to FFH, it's not like you're that Zalge bastard.

However, I demand that you give your apologies to:
- Me, because I spend almost 3 hours trying to recovers the topics you destroyed.
- LD, because if it weren't of a coincidence that I made a backup 1 hour before your act, he probably would've lost his tons of pages of story text forever.

Also, for everyone else talking bad of arch because he's leaving: you're fucks. Whenever I say someone is banned, drama starts. I remember how everyone was just complaining about the Jukain drama event, and here I see the exact same thing. Pretty pathetic.
You know, when I left CoN, no one would acknowledge my contributions and that just showed me how most of them (especially the admin and mods) were just fucking self-centered assholes (as a group).
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Dome on August 05, 2010, 06:51:16 pm
Quote from: "Zodiac"Also, for everyone else talking bad of arch because he's leaving: you're fucks. Whenever I say someone is banned, drama starts. I remember how everyone was just complaining about the Jukain drama event, and here I see the exact same thing. Pretty pathetic
Who is Jukain? I don't even know him/her
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: FFMaster on August 05, 2010, 07:29:04 pm
I don't want to remember Jukain.

I really hope Arch doesn't leave though. He is a great help in a lot of projects and has good ideas.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Kaijyuu on August 05, 2010, 08:21:41 pm
QuoteI really hope Arch doesn't leave though. He is a great help in a lot of projects and has good ideas.
Quite so. It'd be a shame if he left completely due to this.


EDIT: Hrm.. Quotes seem screwed up.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 06, 2010, 12:01:48 am
He ain't coming back. He feels he has been wronged because there is a minority of people on this site who don't like him.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Dome on August 06, 2010, 03:45:14 am
Quote from: "Asmo X"He ain't coming back. He feels he has been wronged because there is a minority of people on this site who don't like him.
That's a truly shitty reason...
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael2 on August 06, 2010, 11:32:51 am
Please stop trying to write it off as something that it's not... Everytime I get on FB I have a message from BP saying how you guys are trying to pass off me leaving as something that it's not.

I decided to accept the ban and take the opportunity to drop FFH from my list of hobbies. You guys know I have a full time job in NYC and any spare time I can get for waterpolo, work, or whatever the fuck else IRL I wanna do is valuable to me.

I already said in the other thread that there are many reasons for this decision, one of them being that no real projects are completed here, and that the quality of work and enthusiasm is overall very low, or non-existant. I couldn't care less about a minority of people who don't like me. I was here for 2 years (more?) with that minority present, and didn't give 3 fucks about it, so that post by Asmo above really just comes across as a random attempt at slandering now that I'm gone.

Let me repear this once again: hopefully for the last time:

I'm taking advantage of the fact that I was banned in the first place to leave for good, and not come back.

This is true regardless of how much people like me 1 year ago, now, or 2 years from now. I no longer feel this place is worth my time to work on, and to be honest, the concept of FFH as a site that doesn't REALLY produce full FFH hacks is an undeniable idea that most of the vets here have had in the back of their minds for quite some time, and with good reason, because it's true - FFH doesn't do that, and never has.

The truth is, that the environment here is simply not conductive to making any large scale mod of FFT. 1.3 was a huge exception because someone that had the balls to stand up to all the haters / negative contributors and decided to take all the workload on himself and get things done after a summer and 2 semesters of constant work in front of fftpatcher - and that was just a rebalance.

FFH has been around for almost 3 years and has not produced a single complete hack of this game. This is a fact, and speaks volumes of the environment here, and it's kinda sad that the one project that did get completed and did attract some attention to the site (1.3) is not even a full hack, but was just rebalance that 1 guy did on his spare time with the brainstorming of others. Now that guy is gone, and to be quite honest, it really feels like the right thing to do.

Then we reached a point where people got bored and systematically directed their off-beat contributions to whatever random project popped up regardless if it has the capability of getting completed or not (IA). I almost fell into that trap too, but realized that it was a huge mistake and jumped ship within a very short amount of time.

There's nothing going on here anymore, there's no direction, there's no unifying idea, and there's no true workers willing to put in more than what they feel like doing in order to get something done- EVEN IF it's not their personal idea of how that sprite / character / item / hack is supposed to be. And this is going to stay this way, unless this place experiences some major dramatic alteration and the people in charge realize who the real contributors are.

BTW: That guy on the other thread was wrong (Kaijyuu?). Community is NOT more important than contributions. Without contributions, you HAVE no community - or atleast no reason for the community to exist and stay together. Without contributions, FFH is no longer a FFT Hacking site, it's a 4chan clone. Nice attempt at trying to dismiss my contribs when you said that, though, but you were wrong.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 06, 2010, 11:51:14 am
Before you quit forever, can I just ask why you bothered sticking around to help Zodiac with his patch?
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael2 on August 06, 2010, 12:01:19 pm
Of course.

Apart from the fact that he's my friend, Zodiac is able to do what he says he's gonna do with the game (cough) and is able to complete his own share of tasks. I saw that he was still working on KoI, and told him I wanted to see it done faster, because I liked his idea very much. So I offered to do all the planning for defense systems, itemization, job tree and skills, along with those Specialty Zodiac skills and other random awesome-sauce stuff we were working on. You (Asmo) saw a lot of what I was working on.

It's a strange question, that you're asking, because when I wasn't busy with 1.3 I always "bothered sticking around" to help EVERYONE with their patches / efforts, not just Zodiac.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 06, 2010, 12:08:29 pm
So if Zodiac isn't a scrub like all the other people working patches that never go anywhere and you think that his will, isn't that kind of a valid reason to keep participating? Or are you not on speaking terms with Zodiac anymore? Or does he not want you to work on KoI?
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael2 on August 06, 2010, 12:14:03 pm
Before I reply to you Asmo I'm going to own Zozma real quick, because he's had this coming for awhile.

From Zozma: "fraid not. he made a mess of things"

^ This is an example of a comment from a minority that doesn't like me - and someone who doesn't appreciate out of his own dislike. He comes out of nowhere (without even knowing the full story behind me leaving since he's never here anymore) and throws in some negative jab like "Voldemort made a mess of things, I'm so glad he's leaving". Yeah Zozma, I made a mess of things. I made SO MUCH OF A MESS that I contributed probably 500% more than you ever did and helped this site grow by working my ass off to finish the most successful project on it. And I contributed in countless other ways, many times helping others with their projects.

Zozma, you're one of the reasons FFH is the way it is. The kind of contributor you are, is a waste of time for sites like this. Someone who is willing to work on nothing but his own ideas and his own personal greedy concepts - your own shitty patch that never went anywhere and wasted the potential of tons of other people who unfortunately, decided to help you. Your trash project that now sits there, incomplete, getting 2 views per week, and your own lack of participation now that you lost interest in it, you don't even come around to help others that are still here.

You are the example of the kind of member FFH DOESN'T need, yet has many of. You are no one to comment on me leaving, so kindly shut the fuck up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ryJ3KGaMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ryJ3KGaMw)





@ Asmo: Yeah, you have a point. KoI would be the best reason to convince me to keep participating, especially because it has so much potential. Zodiac and me have no problems, and are on speaking terms (Though after the post before this one, he might get angry at me for being so blunt about the site.) Last I checked, Zodiac had no problems with me working on KoI. It's pretty cool to have someone map out entire job / skill / item system for you like the way I was doing it.

 But I already made the decision man, and I really need the spare time with the work life I have now in NY. Maybe if the environment around here changes dramatically, and people who put in tons of work don't feel under-appreciated (like what happened to me in your Spam "The Saddest Thread", FFH will look like a more appealing place to come back to.

But right now? No way.

You need to HANG ON to the people who really do work for you passionately, and GET RID of those who don't - especially the ones that work only when it's on their terms - when they can get help for their own projects. That's called a leech, not a worker. You (Asmo, and many other vets here) know exactly what I'm talking about.

So that's why I'm leaving. Now you can all go talk in chat and try to convince yourselves of whatever comforting idea you like. But rest assured, you will always know that what I'm saying is true.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 06, 2010, 01:33:19 pm
I don't want to get involved in this TBH, but flaming people and replying to posts like that obviously isn't going to help anymore then ppl saying things like nothing of value was lost.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: TRC on August 06, 2010, 01:46:43 pm
fuuuuuckkkk @ whole topic
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Zozma on August 06, 2010, 04:17:06 pm
i didnt read anything you said arch. i really dont care, im sorry, but i dont
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Xifanie on August 06, 2010, 05:12:25 pm
No, I'm not angry because you're perfectly right.
Currently the only projects that have a real chance of seeing completion are Mercenaries and KoI.

Seeing as I've built FFH, spent countless hours researching, hacking, modding, coding, administration and that no one nearly invested as much efforts as I did, with very few that even helped me (and not for long either), I can only agree.
While it is true that most "standing" mods won't make it, 3 years isn't a lot considering we started off with only FFTPatcher. You were able to rush 1.3 in a summer, but that was pretty much only FFTPatcher/Tactext.
Now what I want to know is if you'll still work on KoI? restarting later or never again?

Zozma, way to go with the troll attitude.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: puppyhakase on August 06, 2010, 08:55:22 pm
Seems to me, as rather a happenstance passerby ogling some interesting ideas concerning a video game I feel nostalgic about, that everyone is taking this to a bit of an extreme.

Timeline:
-Subject 1 felt threatened by Subject 2, as if a majority of he and his colleagues' hard work was going to get stripped away
-Subject 1 made rather dramatic motions against the threat.
-Subject 3 felt this was unwarranted as, whether he had meant to or not, Subject 1 had threatened the works of others.

Subject 2 was wrong by not thinking ahead at the consequences of his actions or proposals. Subject 1 was wrong by overreacting and not taking time to reason with Subject 2 or having the foresight to collaborate with Subject 3 on a proper course of action. In the end, Subject 3 had no other option but to temporarily remove 1 from the reins, as is completely justifiable when someone lets their emotions take over their judgment.

The majority of rest of you proles, Subjects 4 through infinity, are a waste of time in the discussion. You are intentionally causing strife and hurling insults in a situation that doesn't concern any of you for the sole purpose of making your voice known despite having nothing of genuine value to contribute.

I had interest enough in the idea of the site to investigate the community, and find myself looking at a one or two cool-minded individuals, a few more rambunctious and perhaps temperamental individuals, and a "community" full of bottled up hate and misplaced aggression.

What is done is done. The decision to stay or leave is in the hands of the offendee and the judge. A community cannot be a jury if they are biased one way or the other against the offendee, so stuff it.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Kaijyuu on August 06, 2010, 09:42:02 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort2"Maybe if the environment around here changes dramatically, and people who put in tons of work don't feel under-appreciated (like what happened to me in your Spam "The Saddest Thread", FFH will look like a more appealing place to come back to.

But right now? No way.

You need to HANG ON to the people who really do work for you passionately, and GET RID of those who don't - especially the ones that work only when it's on their terms - when they can get help for their own projects. That's called a leech, not a worker. You (Asmo, and many other vets here) know exactly what I'm talking about.

So that's why I'm leaving. Now you can all go talk in chat and try to convince yourselves of whatever comforting idea you like. But rest assured, you will always know that what I'm saying is true.
You need a reality check.

Under appreciated? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. Do you not see how much recognition 1.3 has gotten? Do you not realize it's the biggest thing on this site, and arguably the reason for the majority of the userbase?

Let me inform you of a fact of reality: What matters is not the artist, but the art itself. Your recognition is the recognition that 1.3 has received. You "deserve" no more.


I've been in plenty of shitty communities that cared more about the artist than what they were producing. What did they produce? Garbage. Partially because they allowed no criticism, partially because of draconian rules against "theft", but mostly because they were doing it for the personal recognition. They made their stuff not because they wanted to make anything good, but because they wanted their name on something good.

"Hang on" to people that produce? If they wanna leave, it's their decision. Not other's responsibility to keep them here.
Kick those that don't? Grats, you lost 90% of your userbase. Idea factories are gone. No one but youtube commenters to give you any feedback.


You want a community that throws flowers at the feet of people who produce, and kicks those that don't? Fine, but you'll get shitty productions and will remove those with good ideas along with the ones without. Games are long term projects where most won't actually be finished. This is a fact that will not change, no matter where you go or what you do. Remember that this is a hobby, not a job, and sane people will treat it as such. You want people to work? Start paying them real money.


EDIT: I make these comments not to stir up drama, not to whine, not to spew my opinion, but because this community has potential. I want to see the results of what we have here. I want to play your games, hear your ideas. Don't make it like so many other communities with inflated egos and shitty productions.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 06, 2010, 10:04:19 pm
Quote from: "puppyhakase"Seems to me, as rather a happenstance passerby ogling some interesting ideas concerning a video game I feel nostalgic about, that everyone is taking this to a bit of an extreme.

Timeline:
-Subject 1 felt threatened by Subject 2, as if a majority of he and his colleagues' hard work was going to get stripped away
-Subject 1 made rather dramatic motions against the threat.
-Subject 3 felt this was unwarranted as, whether he had meant to or not, Subject 1 had threatened the works of others.

Subject 2 was wrong by not thinking ahead at the consequences of his actions or proposals. Subject 1 was wrong by overreacting and not taking time to reason with Subject 2 or having the foresight to collaborate with Subject 3 on a proper course of action. In the end, Subject 3 had no other option but to temporarily remove 1 from the reins, as is completely justifiable when someone lets their emotions take over their judgment.

The majority of rest of you proles, Subjects 4 through infinity, are a waste of time in the discussion. You are intentionally causing strife and hurling insults in a situation that doesn't concern any of you for the sole purpose of making your voice known despite having nothing of genuine value to contribute.

I had interest enough in the idea of the site to investigate the community, and find myself looking at a one or two cool-minded individuals, a few more rambunctious and perhaps temperamental individuals, and a "community" full of bottled up hate and misplaced aggression.

What is done is done. The decision to stay or leave is in the hands of the offendee and the judge. A community cannot be a jury if they are biased one way or the other against the offendee, so stuff it.

Hey "new guy" I'm not accusing you of being a Bastard Poetry parachute account but you sure as hell sound like one. Anyway, thanks for stopping by, now kindly leave forever.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Bastard Poetry on August 06, 2010, 11:31:22 pm
Quote from: "Asmo X"Hey "new guy" I'm not accusing you of being a Bastard Poetry parachute account but you sure as hell sound like one. Anyway, thanks for stopping by, now kindly leave forever.

I don't have an alt account here, Asmox. It's flattering to know that anything that confuses you immediately makes you think of me, though <3

Yeah, yeah, I know.. "Shut the fuck up and die a slow and painful death, BP." Gotcha. Saved you a response post.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: puppyhakase on August 07, 2010, 12:18:09 am
Quote from: "Asmo X"Hey "new guy" I'm not accusing you of being a Bastard Poetry parachute account but you sure as hell sound like one. Anyway, thanks for stopping by, now kindly leave forever.

Well, if this is the sort of treatment a newcomer to the foray experiences, perhaps it's no wonder the community stagnates as such. Not to make slanderous or misappropriated accusations, but an inbred population which rejects all foreign influence is doomed to succumb to impotence, as is made evident by the members of this one clawing at eachothers' throats.

I understand your lack of magnanimity due to my previous post being quite the proverbial "slap to the face" routine, but please don't confuse my attempts as one to undermine what you all have done.

I have nothing but respect for a group of peoples who can become united towards a common end, but I also harbor nothing but contempt for a group of people who can't keep a common end in perspective and squabble with eachother like a bunch of children.

I posted in an attempt to put into perspective what I can see from my point of view as an outsider; an unbiased personage, I should say. Frankly, having never spoken to any of you directly, I can't say I know any of you more than at a suppositional glance of grammatical patterns.

But my wanton generalizations won't become less true just because you don't like the words that represent them.

I can only assume that you were all friendly at some point. Couldn't you, for the sake of the project, lay down your sharp tongues and be a bit more amicable? Don't seek to have your ego stroked because your pride was hurt when nobody gave you a cookie, but by the same token give credit where it is due and don't be selfish about the collaborative efforts of... how long did Zodiac say? Three years?

Petty differences should not hold so much sway over a group of talented people. Don't invent enemies within just because there is no common enemy without...
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Novalis on August 07, 2010, 01:26:01 am
"Fraid not. he made a mess of things"

Now that he's gone you can go back to accomplishing nothing again!

I love this forum because everybody acts like they hate each other.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: philsov on August 07, 2010, 01:36:23 am
I love this forum because apparently quote tags are disabled.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 07, 2010, 01:57:02 am
Anyone who posts after me is now homo, hopefully that will end this.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: PX_Timefordeath on August 07, 2010, 03:55:54 am
The post before mine can only be true if this post is false.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Asmo X on August 07, 2010, 11:00:34 am
Quote from: "puppyhakase"I posted in an attempt to put into perspective what I can see from my point of view as an outsider; an unbiased personage, I should say. Frankly, having never spoken to any of you directly, I can't say I know any of you more than at a suppositional glance of grammatical patterns.

Then shut the fuck up. You aren't in a position to comment on anything.

BP dude, I don't want you die. I want you to channel all that generic indignation you have into post that can actually be understood.

Also, I'm a homo.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Kaijyuu on August 08, 2010, 12:23:05 am
QuoteI love this forum because everybody acts like they hate each other. \
Me too. Some take it seriously and screw it all up, though.


I'm not a homo, but it'd be cool if I was.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Furry_Fan on August 08, 2010, 07:10:21 pm
Ok, after seeing this thread  for a while I decided I had to say something regardless of whether anyone cares what I have to say or not, or whether Asmo thinks I have a place to say something or not.

I understand why Archeal was banned, and can understand Zodiacs reasoning for doing so, But I just have to say what I have to say and be done with it.

@  Kaijyuu:  Are you SERIOUS the artist doesn't matter, I am sorry but I beg to differ.  The artist, and there talents do matter quite a bit, that is why we learn about who made the art and we wonder about THERE meaning, and why THEY drew it.  I didn't go to art appreciation and learn about the artists themselves because there so unimportant.  Furthermore I am not saying that Archeal is god, or Leonardo DiVinchi, but still the comment about only the art mattering is just preposterous.

@Zoz: really, I know you are a good spriter, and u attempted to make some sort of patch which I wanted to see ,but know will never get done, but seriously why come here and act like a douche bag just to do it.  Your remarks are pretty much trolling, and I see no reason for it.  If you don't like Archeal fine but you don't need to come here and act like a jerk just to make it worse.

@Asmo: From what I have seen from a lot of you're posts you are very blunt and insulting, and not just here in this thread.  I don't know if its because you think you are better than everyone else or what, but seriously chill out.  

@Zodiac: I understand why you banned archeal but I am not here to bitch about his being banned but I just wish to state how I feel personally about the attitude of the people during this "incident"

I really, truly, can understand why Archeal wants to leave.  When I first read the post he was banned I was shocked and extremely upset over it.  I personally like Archeal what he has helped with in 1.3, and I just like him as a person, hes fun, and made the AI Tournament spectacular, his videos, as well as his effort he put into making something that I truly loved since I was a child even better.  I understand he was part of a 1.3 team, but he was still a part of it, and It makes me extremely upset that, people who he has known for years on a more personal level than I ever could.  Care less about him than I do, really since this happened Zoz came here mocking him, Asmo is still ever insulting, and everyone elses comments just equate to well bai it was fun.  That is total bullshit!  You all have known him for years, and no one really gives a shit at all?

Before anyone says "But it is his choice" well yea it is, and I can see why, if it took this long for people of a community that I knew for a while not to give a shit I would leave as well.  

With that said, really I will miss Archeal a lot, and I hope that he decides to come back, because really I care immensely that hes not coming back, and now since no one really cares I guess I will be the only one who hopes that he returns, because he and 1.3 make me happy.  So yeah I miss you Archeal.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 08, 2010, 07:50:44 pm
Fuck off of zozma, real life comes before a final fantasy tactics patch, all he said was he made a mess of things, that pretty much explains deleting part of a forum
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Kaijyuu on August 08, 2010, 08:50:13 pm
Quote@ Kaijyuu: Are you SERIOUS the artist doesn't matter, I am sorry but I beg to differ. The artist, and there talents do matter quite a bit, that is why we learn about who made the art and we wonder about THERE meaning, and why THEY drew it. I didn't go to art appreciation and learn about the artists themselves because there so unimportant. Furthermore I am not saying that Archeal is St. Ajora, or Leonardo DiVinchi, but still the comment about only the art mattering is just preposterous.
If you like the people behind the art, great. All I'm saying is any recognition the art itself gets is recognition the artist gets, and they shouldn't expect more than that. Essentially, "I produced something awesome and people know it but no one respects me for it" is a non-sequitur; if it is agreed that they produced something awesome, then they got the respect.*

Anytime an artist shouts out an equivalent of "respect meeeeee!" I can be (almost) certain what they produce is crap. Exceptions are out there, of course... creative people tend to be eccentric.


*EDIT: Emphasis on "it is agreed THEY produced something awesome". People have a right to complain if they get 0 recognition for their work. The problem is when they got their due recognition and are demanding more.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: ffta707 on August 08, 2010, 09:13:34 pm
First: I didn't bother to read any of puppyhakase's posts, because he's been on the site for a mere five minutes.

Second: I'm not going to post my ideas on this subject, because it will nor make it better or worse. Their is split opinions on this, and posting your idea, one side or the other will not make it any better or any worse. So on that note, I will not post my side of things.

Third: The thing really itching me, is the post by Furry_Fan. Dude, you have 25 posts, which means you have not even been active on the site. You have absolutely no right to come on here, and degrade the site by cutting down 3 site veterans, who have 900 + posts, being on the site for more than a year, or two. I'm not saying the amount of posts matter, but YOU shouldn't be telling asmo what he is. Because frankly, asmo doesn't give a shit. Asmo is asmo, and a post from you won't change shit, because he probably didn't even read it.

The banning of one person made everyone turn on each other. We have worked as a community for too long. We are all friends, and should not be affected by the by the banning of one person.

The sited is united. Remix may have taken a dive, but it's not quite dead. Mercenaries is back together, and I've seen every one of you who posted in this forum post on that thread. IA is going steady (Sort of). We have all contributed. Hell, 1.3 couldn't have been made without the incredible skills of our programmers. Think about melon heads patcher, and shishi's. Also, what about the event compiler/ decompiler by zodiac. This is in fact a community, and you can't look up fft on youtube without finding a video directing towards this site.

So this is a chance to reunite, and learn. This may not mean anything, and I'm not trying to be some "hero" here, but come on.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael on August 08, 2010, 11:09:35 pm
Hey, "ffta707":

1. 900 + posts is nothing
2. His 25 posts / the other guy whose been here 5 minutes have the same level of irrelevance as you according to your own logic. How many do you have? 170 posts? C'mon, that "your opinion weighs as much as the amount of posts you have" argument is pathetic.
3. Remix is VERY dead
4. This site is not united
5. You have no clue what you're talking about, yet you are telling others that they don't have a clue, when in reality, you have as much or less of a clue than they do, although [TIME MACHINE] IF THEN ELSE ----> EXPLOSION
6. You're right, your post doesn't mean anything

the irony of it all is astounding, please stop weighing in
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Xifanie on August 08, 2010, 11:16:44 pm
You haven't answered my question. What about KoI?
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: ffta707 on August 08, 2010, 11:23:47 pm
Ok. I'm just trying to help. I Never did anything to you. I always liked you. That's why I haven't cut you down yet. I KNOW I ONLY HAVE 170 POSTS. That's why I don't go around cutting down asmo, and others. I Don't cut others down, I just get mad when they think they can cut down my friends on the site. I did not want this to happen, I didn't want to get involved for this reason. And I'm done posting. I'll weigh in all I want, because Zozma and asmo have helped me a ton, and I want to stand up for them. Besides, my opinion was very mild compared to other ones.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: LastingDawn on August 08, 2010, 11:24:50 pm
Really, I'm angry at you for taking out your anger on a Whole Project. Taking Days of my work along with it, what were you aiming to accomplish? To dismantle the project? That is what it looks like you were trying, from where I'm standing. You haven't apologized and because of that it shows that your consuming and abrasive ego has not diminished in the least. Apologize and bygones will be bygones (at least from me). Doing so will show me that there is At Least a spark of the old you left. I may have said some things in anger and haste and for that I apologize. Though now it is your turn.

 Apologize to all of those whose work you attempted to bring down, whether a mistake in your choosing or not, or whose hand was in the threads you deleted.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael on August 08, 2010, 11:39:01 pm
LD, information on a project that won't get finished in the first place is lost already, wasted. For an example of what I'm talking about, open the "FFT REMIX" forum. Effort that won't go anywhere, and just idles there, amounting to nothing. (Like 75% of everything we do here)

It doesn't matter if the thread is lost forever or restored, it was useless all along.

Besides I'm sure you can think up a random generic uninspired storyline (or whatever it is you lost) in 5 minutes, just like you did before.

I think I hear Cendamos nearby...
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: LastingDawn on August 08, 2010, 11:42:33 pm
Alright, I offer my hand in peace and instead you slap my face. I see how it is and I'm sure the rest of the community does now too.

Let this be a show to anyone who wishes to further assist him. He appreciates no ones work but his own.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Archael on August 08, 2010, 11:45:27 pm
I'm not asking for anyone's assistance, I no longer work here.

I meant what I said in the previous post. You didn't lose anything of value, nor ever will when referring to projects like the one you were concerned about. Threads lost in projects that are going nowhere are lost already.

If you want, I can build you a bridge so you can get over it.
Title: Re: Time Warp
Post by: Xifanie on August 08, 2010, 11:48:55 pm
I'm locking this; bye arch.