I felt the the tutorials on YouTube for using shishisprite seemed really outdated and complicated for me
By any chance, is the new version of shishi easier to use now??? The palette image changes looked tough
color palette has nothing to do with shishi. That's with the image itself. I really don't see how it could get any easier. 16 colors for sprite, 16 for portrait, and generally 5 different palettes per generic spritesheet (though it can go up to 8 iirc), only 1 for most unique sprites.
I know it may seem insanely easy for the you as ive seen the cool projects you worked on but you have to look at my perspective, im not that computer savvy and the vids on youtube are hard to understand, it seems so convoluted. I apologize , I just figured someone might be able to help me out but hey not everyone has time to spare so its understandable
well the way i have learned how to change color pallets or set to a specific pallet is with graphic gale which i believe someone has uploaded the video to youtube here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f12qKI6-JsE
one wrong thing with this video tho is the formation sprites you can do that on shishi.
I tried following this guys steps but he begins to skip certain parts because he says that hes already done. and while hes doing something he switches back to another example. its funny because he even catches himself messing up so im getting frustrated with him.
@Mrfuzzy
OK can you explain the real problem you are having. is it that you want more sprite pallets? Or you need help because when you edit a sprite and go in to the game the sprite shows as black? If it ain't these please tell us and explain the problem
@Elric
Yes i think I'm being a Hippocratic sorry but thanks
Palette changes are by far the easiest part of spriting. The hardest part of palette changes themselves is simply deciding upon the colors you want.
The only part I could imagine to be confusing is if you don't know you can save/load palettes, import palettes from other spritesheets, and copy/paste sections of palettes.
That, and not knowing how FFT handles palettes, which is fairly simple: the first 16 colors are one palette, and one palette is used per sprite and per portrait. The first 8 palettes are for the sprites. The last 8 palettes are for the portraits. They match up: the first sprite palette uses the first portrait palette (the ninth), the second sprite uses the second portrait (the tenth) and so on.
If you're still lost somehow, you need to explain how and why.
thanks for replying, yeah so its been more than a year since ive tried doing it myself, although I didn't get very far
so to be quite honest with you guys, im more of a visual learner than I am taking verbal instructions
when I watched the video on youtube, there were certain words I didn't understand or did not know exactly what he was referring to
and when he was trying to demonstrate an example, he would refer to things he didn't introduce at the beginning of his video, technically assuming I understood other aspects of shishi.
i was hoping there was an updated video
, and look if you arent looking to help and just to throw a condescending comment my way please just save it. i know most of you peeps are on another level when it comes to hacktics but anyone willing to help, this chocobo would appreciate it thanks fellas and ladies
Btw i want to learn everything about pallets and image changing and everything related to sprite changing, because i don't know jack shit, im sorry really
i appreciate the feedback though !!!!
All I can do is point you at the Tutorials subsection of the Help forum here. "Everything" is way too broad.
is this still the way to replace a sprite or is this outdated? plus how can i get CD mage? the links to it are no longer working
No.
Use the FFH wiki to get cdmage
Use newest shishi for sprite/formation/battle sprite insertion
Okay cool
hey elric is this what youre talking about because it doesn't work
The download link is in the versions column. The next one to the right.
Dang.
that went over my head
Yeah I've been trying to figure this out too
I havent done this in so long
it was working one second and now im getting this error message that wont allow me to open the fft bin on shishi
I haven't even switched any files over yet
don't laugh at the wallpaper in the back, this is my wifes laptop
First. There is no need to double post. We have an edit button for a reason.
Second. It tells you literally right in that error, what the issue is. You have your .bin file already open in another program... probably CDMage. Close it and try again...
Yeah, I've gotta say - modding requires a fair bit of independence and computer literacy.
You didn't read the entire row when you were trying to download the right file, didn't thnk to even try clicking any of the blue hyperlinks in the row, and just gave up immediately.
You didn't read the error report, and just gave up immediately.
Or, at least, that's how it looks... since in both cases the solution should have been fairly obvious if you'd simply been reading the information that was on the screen.
Needing help with your modding effort is one thing, but you're basically asking us to read the screen for you at this point.
Okay yeah true
So I figured I try to do more trial and error
So now I'm stumped with something reasonable to ask help for
I'm trying to switch ramzas Sprite and I followed the tutorial
Now I follow every step but in one of these steps it says to go to file and save but there is no option to save on shishi
Other than that, the Sprite work but whenever he kneels in the opening scene, the Sprite turns into a pile a poo
So I'm guessing I did something wrong
I tried the process server different ways but it was the same outcome
Thats a EVTCHR being called over his sprite, in the event, and looks wrong since its calling its pallet from the sprite you inserted. So youd have to event code around that or make new evtchr frames from hand using the sprite appearance and pallet of the new sprite you inserted.
To add to what Elric said, pretty much no one ever does that because of the amount of work involved: spriting is hard, and take a lot of time. You can remove all the custom animation calls, but it will kill the atmosphere of some events.
Yeah that sounds a bit out of my league.
I'll just have to deal with it
Okay so I watched the tutorial on YouTube and I'm guessing its outdated because the tutorial on here has different steps, but I noticed in my first try
, all I did was switch the Sprite on shishi and not replace the spr file in the battle folder in Cd mage and it worked
Then I did everything as said on the tutorial and it was the same outcome
Do you only need shishi and the custom Sprite at this point or should I still be replacing the file on Cd mage?
I'm not sure what that tutorial is about, but you don't need CDMage for any sprite anymore. Shishi can pretty much import/export them all.
Okay awesome that clears up a lot
So now since that tutorial is no longer valid would any please let me know if the formation Sprite change tutorial is also no longer good?
If it isn't can someone please let me know a quick process
This is the current tutorial on hacktics for in formation Sprite change
Btw I have tried so far on shishi but i didnt see any buttons or options for changing the in formation sprite
That tutorial is extremely outdated.
As for changing formation sprites, just Image + export/import just like you would regular sprites
And you really don't need to take screenshots of everything. Just link to the page.
Okay but where am I importing exporting ? on shishi or ? which button or option on the shishi tool do i select
You have to realize that if you are constantly asking how to accomplish the most simple of things on a computer, you won't get better at it. We are a video game modding community; we're talking about people altering code and developing tools, requiring a very high level of computer skills in general -- not a Computer Science 101 class.
You need to learn to develop a sense of intuition towards how programs work. After all, most programs usually have exactly the function you're looking for, if you're willing to spend 5-30 seconds searching for it.
We realize that FFT Modding is probably the only reason you will touch a computer at all for the next 10 years, but we are also not paid to teach you computer basics (we're not paid at all). To say the least: this is a lot more than what we bargained for.
Speaking of computer basics, to screenshot a window by itself and not your whole desktop, use Alt+Printscreen instead of Printscreen on its own.
Okay well if that's the case then you guys should update the tutorial section of the website as its misleading information
Plus when I first came here asking for help I was directed to the tutorial section so that's what I did
Had I not tried at very all I honestly would have given up already
It's funny you mention my own ambition or conviction as I actually have been trying to figure it out, you see you perspective on this stuff is like baby toys because you're computer literate, also because you probably took classes
I'm going back to school in fall for computer science
All you're really doing is judging my ability and my willingness to want to do this , not cool
Plus I also went through the forum section of tutorials and that was outdated too, correct me if I'm wrong
To top it off, if it's so simple, I'm baffled you rather waste your time lecturing me instead of just giving a quick example
Keep it classy 😉
I'll have you know I did have computer science classes. Yes.
In High School, we used macs. I don't even remember how they work or anything.
In college, my I was teaching stuff to my computer science teacher.
Do you think that knowledge is better than experience? Most people learn better by applying knowledge, not just by reading it. But in this case, we're talking about a very basic computer skill, which involves developing your ability to quickly locate functions you wish to use, by playing around with programs and seeing that does what. Y'know, like going through all a dungeon for items and special things instead of going straight to the boss.
Quote from: Mrfuzzy on July 23, 2018, 11:52:28 am
All you're really doing is judging my ability and my willingness to want to do this , not cool
Plus I also went through the forum section of tutorials and that was outdated too, correct me if I'm wrong
To top it off, if it's so simple, I'm baffled you rather waste your time lecturing me instead of just giving a quick example
Have I been anything but polite? I only told you that you should develop a single skill, that had nothing to do with FFT Modding specifically, but tools do have a GUI, and being able to use programs with more ease, making your life a whole lot easier.
Take my mom for example. All the time she will ask me to do X and Y in a program I've never touched myself. I usually find exactly what she's looking for under 20 by simply using the interface logic I've developed over the years.
...Would it not be worth investing in such a skill, instead of creating a forum post, waiting 8 hours for someone to tell you what you could have figured out in 20 seconds if you had exercised your brain for it? All FFTPatcher, Shishi, FForgASM and several other have very intuitive GUIs, for navigation anyway.
Personally, I seek to better myself everyday. If that's not something you can identify with, that's cool; I don't judge.
Wow talk about arrogance at its finest
Put your guns away, I'm just a pup in the world of computer literacy, with your "outstanding" perception of the knowledge you see in me, you should be able to understand that Ikow almost nothing about how programs work on computers nor the computer language
You're clouded by your arrogance and you lack social empathy. Get off your high horse and see me eye to eye
Lighten up and dont let me ruin your mood off of a simple question
I just bought my very first computer 2 months ago, I'm going to start taking classes this fall so I can understand the world of computer programming and computer science
The admins here seem more invested in feeding their egos than actually helping out, even if it baffles you the lack of knowledge shown
Shares yours instead, dont curve me about the way you process yourself me and you are not the same but we have one thing in common for sure
This amazing game
Like I said
Lighten up, spread positive energy
Not this condescending b.s.
...Why is it so far-fetched to you that I am being honest?
You preach to not judge and yet you assume that I'm lying... please, "Do as I do, not as I say".
I never accused you of lying
I've seen the way you you treat newbies around here
This isn't a community
You guys discriminate those who dont measure up to your knowledgeable standards
Maybe you should have requirements to join this site based on knowledge
Please spare me the fuxking modesty, I'm 27 and I have 3 kids
I'm not a social idiot
If I didn't lie, what did I say to hurt you?
No not hurt me
I think if anything I hurt you
You seem deeply invested in trying to convince me in how I should be applying my knowledge
All I'm asking is for you to share it
You keep ignoring everything else I said
Can we agree that you lack social empathy the way I lack computer experience/knowledge
@Mrfuzzy i'd hate to get involved into this pointless discussion about people telling you to give it a try and play around with the tools you have to try to familiarize with them and find the solution to the problems by yourself while all you do is reject that tip feeling like a victim using the excuse of "us" knowing a lot more than you...
since you seem to need HELP just say what exactly is what you would like to learn and i will write a step by step tutorial for you using the most updated version of shishi, if after that you still don't know how to do what or give up because it is to complex then im sorry but there won't be a way for us to help you.
Xifanie is being very polite to you and is not like we discriminate people with little knowledge but guess what... this is a site about hacking a game and let me tell you that i know little to nothing about hacking but this community has developed great tools for us hacking ignorants to play around without having to go through super complex coding so i can understand the frustration when they meet people with very little knowledge needing help with the already simplified things. (shishi is a perfect example)
i was a noob too and i asked this kind of things too but i realized that experimenting was a funnier thing to do and no, i didnt break my computer or corrupted my operative system while i played with the tools.
Here's the thing, dude.
Did anyone get snappish at you for the issue with Ramza's animation? No, everyone just calmly explained it. If this is just about feeding egos and feeling superior for already knowing stuff, then you'd've seen that attitude there, too, because Ramza's EVTCHRs not going well with any attempted sprite change is a well-known issue by basically anyone who's ever thought of changing his sprite.
But nobody did that. Why? Because the issue
isn't obvious to someone who just rolled on in here. You can't just find out why it happens by checking the obvious tabs in Shishi or wherever. Hell, I'm pretty sure you can get that exact bow/crouch animation just with any regular sprite, no special event character required - the devs probably made a custom sprite for it really early on before implementing a general crouch animation for all characters. So to an outsider it looks like Ramza (or Rad, if you switched
him up instead) glitching like fuck with a completely normal animation for no goddamn reason all of a sudden.
With this question, however, it
is more obvious. It's not as bad as your two posts prior to the animation glitch, but it was still right there at your fingertips. If you'd poked around with Shishi
at all, you'd have found it easily. It was four clicks and one dropdown menu away: File, Open ISO, choose ISO, Other Images, scroll down dropdown menu to see the listing.
(https://i.imgur.com/cKqinxV.png)
Sure, it wasn't staring you right in the face like those other two occasions, but... did you not poke around
at all? Shishi doesn't have much
to check. And that's what people are trying to push you to do - poke around and learn things for yourself.
Xifanie's anecdote about her mother is something I've experienced, too (well, not with
her mother - Xif and I live on far opposite sides of Canadaland) - someone calls me over to help them with their Thing I have no experience with, but I just poke around for 30 seconds with the really basic and obvious options and find a solution immediately.
Not only is it less annoying for people to stop and help you out with very simple problems, it's also considerably faster for
you if it's something you can find out in 30 seconds just by poking around.
Nobody expects you to know the ins and outs of every program you touch, but if you have the desire to mod a video game, we do expect you to have the initiative to at least check out the options of the simplest tools available before asking how to perform the simplest functions.
As for the tutorials, two things. First, did you notice how no one expressed annoyance with you for being misinformed by the outdated tutorials? Again, something that wouldn't be obvious to an outsider.
Second, there're a few reasons the tutorials around here don't really see updates:
a) Most of the time, they do still work.
b) Most of the reason they're outdated is because they've been replaced with something that can do the job a hundred times more easily. You don't need a tutorial to edit Formation sprites in Shishi: just get to the dropdown menu & go to town.
c) Even in cases when they probably should be updated, few people see the benefit of bothering to put the work in, due to there being very few people around here who want to actually try doing anything worthwhile for more than five seconds.
I'd compare the time I learned event editing to another promising user: in both of our cases, we were directed towards an outdated tutorial that used a slightly different format for event commands. We both cut our teeth on it, occasionally coming across glitched failed events we needed to ask questions about. Then RavenOfRazgriz came along, urging us to use his updated version of an event editor.
I built a couple more events with no issues before I switched, and mildly regretted not having done so earlier.
The other user made like three topics asking for help with problems Raven's new editor would have warned them about before everyone put their foot down and said "dude, no more, just switch so it's easier on everyone, you're using outdated commands, it's harder to find out what's going wrong thanks to that." The other user then disappeared entirely.
Could I have benefited from starting with a more recent tutorial? Sure, maybe. Did I
need it? No. And neither did the other guy - Raven's new editor has a list of all the current commands and how they're structured. But the other guy couldn't be bothered to listen, couldn't be bothered to put in the very minimal effort required to switch tools.
And I don't think there's really been any other notable user trying to learn how to edit events over the last... three years? A few rare posts here and there, but that's it. Could be wrong though.
Point is, there's been so few people that it's not really worth the time to make up a new tutorial.
QuoteYou guys discriminate those who dont measure up to your knowledgeable standards
Look, I'll be blunt. The issue here is you're trying to punch way above your weight level. You're basically at the level of not yet remembering which button on the Xbox controller is "shoot", but still trying to ask others how to have the top K/D ratio in Call of Duty. And then getting defensive when people get mildly annoyed and suggest or outright tell you to go take some time to figure out how to stop throwing grenades at yourself first.
Hahahahahahha
No she actually did get offended and spewed unnecessary comments
All I wanted to know is
Where in shishi does it give the option to replace/change the formation Sprite
That's is literally all I wanted to know
Yes I get it and I will continue to practice with the shishi program but it was a simple question
Read back the comments brooooo
You'll see who jumped out of subject
Look that's fine and yes I've seen the condescending comments on the other post dating back to 2012
Yes I poke around shishi and I found that other images section but how do I replace the Sprite
Can it be done on shishi or do I need another program?
I was on the other image section for awhile trying to figure it out
But that's the part where I'm stumped
Quote from: Mrfuzzy on July 23, 2018, 09:58:03 pm
No not hurt me
I think if anything I hurt you
Don't worry, you didn't hurt me. Was it your intent?
Quote from: Mrfuzzy on July 23, 2018, 09:58:03 pm
You seem deeply invested in trying to convince me in how I should be applying my knowledge
All I'm asking is for you to share it
You keep ignoring everything else I said
Why did I try to convince you? Because I genuinely believe it's for everyone's best. Especially yours. I felt this way before you mentioned it, but I feel even more strongly about it now. Consider this, you plan to take programming classes, and yet you lack basic computer skills. Aren't you worried of being unable to go at other student's pace and constantly needing the professor's attention?
You also have to understand that modding video games isn't entry-level computer stuff. Some programmers can't mod video games for the life of them, and sometimes people like me can be pretty good at modding, despite having poor programming skills. Modding is more like, 2-3rd semester programming/computer science.
Quote from: Mrfuzzy on July 23, 2018, 09:58:03 pm
Can we agree that you lack social empathy the way I lack computer experience/knowledge.
I'm afraid not. I'm actually very empathic, I know, it doesn't show up in text. Yes, I have been pointlessly rude to others in the past, letting my emotions get the best of me. But am I constantly trying to better myself, for everyone's best interests.
QuoteHahahahahahha
No she actually did get offended and spewed unnecessary comments
Remember the part where I
already told you you need to show more initiative and poke around and Try Things a bit more? Again, this isn't
as bad, but it
is still bad,
especially after realizing you already read someone else's topic advising to go into the Other Images tab and
you still didn't.You aren't a child. You shouldn't need to be gently told the same thing over and over and over within a very short time span. If you can't manage to handle something as simple as that, you aren't ready to be modding a game. Managing to get this far after having only owned your first computer for two months is probably pretty impressive but you still aren't there yet, if much of this topic is any indication.
QuoteYes I poke around shishi and I found that other images section but how do I replace the Sprite
Again: at your fingertips, if you'd just spend 30 seconds looking. It's... almost identical to replacing battle sprites, even, and didn't you already do
that?
Well please stop and no I'm not worried
I'm going to take these classes with balls of Steele and not like a pussy
Why do you care
Just help me instead
Lets be friends
i hate awkward interactions
Your ego disgust me like my knowledge disgust you
Let's put that behind us
By the way xifanie
I have a lot of respect for you
I know about your commitment to this game and this website
Its admirable
And I'm grateful for it
My parents always told me to see the positives out of people I had disagreements
Regardless of our conversation
I will ultimately still have respect for you
This is ridiculous. This isnt GameFAQs. This is a site for hacking a video game.
It is YOUR job to come here already having a basic understanding of how a GUI works and how to operate a program. We are not here to hold your hand.
You keep bringing up past comments, however the stats don't lie. The people who come here clearly outlining what they are trying to do and work to figure out things themselves are the ones who end up actually producing mods. On the other hand, people who come in and know nothing about even operating the most basic of our programs are the same people who end up leaving as soon as they find out that shishi and fftpatcher are literally the easiest of the easiest things we do here. If you cannot figure those out then you might do better here after you take your computer science class.
No one here owes you anything. You should be thankful to Xifanie for even making the tools (or very least providing the info needed to have them made) for you to use in the first place.
I am going to lock this topic for now. Xifanie may reopen it if she feels the need, but i can tell you right now, your attitude and lack of ability to take any kind of constructive critisism will be your downfall here.