So i got this formula Editor....

[IceCreamedNinja]

awesome! i can't wait til this is released..good work man.

[red_bird]

about asm hacks... should they be implemented before or after i'm done with all the other patching?

[Vanya]

Should not have any effect on your FFTPatcher changes since the patchers does not modify the formula data in any way. Right, SB?

[red_bird]

final question:  should i apply asm and fftpatcher before or after i apply fftacttext?

[melonhead]

final question:  should i apply asm and fftpatcher before or after i apply fftacttext?

You should do FFTorgasm last, but it really doesn't matter.
All of the programs edit different parts of the ISO. EXCEPT that FFTorgasm can be configured to overwrite ANYTHING (but usually it probably shouldn't be).

One thing to beware of is to not modify the font in FFTPatcher.

[red_bird]

what does FFTorgasm do?

[Tea]

It's the name of the program that is made public in this topic.

[red_bird]

thanks.  looking foreward to it coming out.

and Tea?  your sig is getting me dirty looks from the librarians.  keep it up.

[jimmyjw88]

That's Eve from BlackCat right? ^^
I love her =D
She is so pretty and cute, not to mention deadly. Lol =p

[Tea]

That's Eve alright. No idea why librarians look funny at it, it's pretty decent.

[SentinalBlade]

her boobs are extenuated~

Lets keep this topic on topic please.

Im up to formula 33 now. i found the offsets for alot of them in the japanese documentation, but the code is rewritten/coded differently in american, in the US release, its all a few bytes to change for EACH formula, in the japanese one, all magic attacks appearntly link to a really big block of code, that branches for each formula used. its all very confusing, but its faster than debugging the snot out of the formulas the normal way.

[Tea]

nice going. Is it, by the way, possible to change the undead reversal? And the chance that the formula gives a status? And can we use even more terms than the original formulas do? Giddy giddy giddy so excited~ :p

[SentinalBlade]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. eventually you can do things like that, but for now itl be changing a bit of simple things. after i get them all in there i can work out which ones can have new parts are which parts replaced.

@more terms question::: And you cant add things to formulas if it makes it bigger than it actually was. like you cant make the MA+x% formula into PA - SP + (Y * x) / 3

there just isnt enough space. and to do this, we would have to sacrifice a bit of each ASMers battle.bin space(Which means alot less hacks) in the future it may be possible, but there are plenty that are overly big and useless for the moment.

Status: up to 3D

[Vanya]

I look forward to using this tool. Quick question. The formula slots after 64; are they too small to hold a small formula?

[LastingDawn]

Not quite... Razele once mentioned in IRC the game has a piece of code to Stop formula's at 64, and to revert to 01 past them. So he said it will eventually be possible to have many custom formulas.

[Vanya]

Thanks. I imagine that bit of code just needs a couple of NOP's placed over it, no? I'd do it myself if I knew where the code was.

Off topic: LD, are you able to get on chat right now?

[Skip Sandwich]

okay, just making sure I understand the size issue correctly, so I don't go bother our ASMers without good cause

would changing the unarmed formula from PA * [(PA * CasterBrave)/100] to PA * [(PA * CasterMaxHP)/CasterCurHP)] be theoretically possible? the only real change other then the swapped variables is replacing one of the constants (100) with another variable (CasterCurHP)

likewise, changing the Axe formula from rnd(1..PA) * WP to become [(PA * CasterMaxHP)/CasterCurHP)] * WP probablly wouldn't be possible with this utility, as it would increase the size of the formula, by adding additional variables and operations, right?

[Vanya]

Your logic seems sound.

[Skip Sandwich]

okay good, I was pretty sure I had it right, I just wanted to confirm.

[SentinalBlade]

100 to HP is actually a bit more complicated.

100 is a static number. its just there, and preset.

HP you have to load into a register(4 bytes of space) and then have space for math(at least 4 bytes), rather than just 100(which is just 4 bytes by itself(as an operation to load it))

Honestly, it depends on the formula. sometimes when a formula uses a flat/static number, it takes 3 lines of ASM(12 bytes). one to save a register's value, 1 too ORI 64(100) into the register, math involved. IF the register needs to be used later, it calls it back into the register, which is at least a total of 4 lines.

Like i said, it all depends on the formula. sometimes the same operation is written in different ways. when i finish this, i should have a list of the amount of space needed and how much there is for each formula.

an example is Rafa's Truth formula, and Dark Whisper(tiamat monster skill). same operation(up until DArk Whisper's 6.25% status) but the code for both of them differs greatly, for no appearnt reason at all. Rafa's truth formula has at least 4 extra lines of code that Dark whisper does not(up until it tries to add the status %)