Title: Reliquian (Antiquirian) (Update on First Post)
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 18, 2009, 09:36:51 pm
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 18, 2009, 09:36:51 pm
I tested the 5th Male Reliquian palette:
(I did this also for fun)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian1.png)
Oh look at the new Gafgarion! hehe. LOL.
My.. my.. I'll have to test my luck on those gamblers..
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian2.png)
Hey Gambler, look at me! Am I handsome?
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian3.png)
Haaaaaa!! Here's what you get for lying!!!
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian4.png)
Ughh.. let's play dead!
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The sprite works flawlessly so far.
Good job.
(I did this also for fun)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian1.png)
Oh look at the new Gafgarion! hehe. LOL.
My.. my.. I'll have to test my luck on those gamblers..
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian2.png)
Hey Gambler, look at me! Am I handsome?
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian3.png)
Haaaaaa!! Here's what you get for lying!!!
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/MiKeMiTchi/SpriteWorks/reliquian4.png)
Ughh.. let's play dead!
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~~~;;~~~
The sprite works flawlessly so far.
Good job.
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Post by: Xifanie on August 19, 2009, 09:56:13 am
Post by: Xifanie on August 19, 2009, 09:56:13 am
The palette looks horrible; A greenish shading for grayish clothes? what.
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Post by: Asmo X on August 19, 2009, 09:57:44 am
Post by: Asmo X on August 19, 2009, 09:57:44 am
Yeah I just assumed that was a work in progress. it looks horrible right now
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Post by: mav on August 19, 2009, 11:06:28 am
Post by: mav on August 19, 2009, 11:06:28 am
Many thanks Mike, but it looks like there's been some major discoloration, on the sprite at least. It should look more like how it does in this PNG spritesheet (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/minwu_pal5_272.png). And the interior of the cape looks like it lost the second shade...I'll work on getting LD the BMPs of this, so consider this a work in progress.
Though testing the sprite in game must have been fun...
Though testing the sprite in game must have been fun...
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Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 19, 2009, 10:13:23 pm
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 19, 2009, 10:13:23 pm
Well, that can easily be fixed.
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Post by: Asmo X on August 19, 2009, 11:19:03 pm
Post by: Asmo X on August 19, 2009, 11:19:03 pm
what is that thing on the reliquian's chest?
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Post by: mav on August 19, 2009, 11:48:12 pm
Post by: mav on August 19, 2009, 11:48:12 pm
I believe it's Minwu's strange breast and ab plates, assuming the sprite was designed with this image (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/4/44/Amano_Minwu.jpg) in mind.
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Post by: Asmo X on August 19, 2009, 11:51:09 pm
Post by: Asmo X on August 19, 2009, 11:51:09 pm
I see. I think people need to be more considerate of what parts of a design are and are not going to translate well in sprite form. Right now it looks unintelligible. Think simple designs everyone.
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Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 20, 2009, 02:24:43 am
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 20, 2009, 02:24:43 am
^ Agreed.
In that case, it will be easier to make them.
Although I did like the chest part of the sprite.
It makes the sprite more noticeable.
..and I think, without it, they'll look weaker.
In that case, it will be easier to make them.
Although I did like the chest part of the sprite.
It makes the sprite more noticeable.
..and I think, without it, they'll look weaker.
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Post by: dwib on August 20, 2009, 03:57:11 am
Post by: dwib on August 20, 2009, 03:57:11 am
Try changing the breastplate into a belt (a thick belt)
Right now it is way too high and is only a few pixels away from touching the sprite's face.
If you're worried about looking weaker know it is better than looking like you shouldn't be able to move your arms efficiently
Right now it is way too high and is only a few pixels away from touching the sprite's face.
If you're worried about looking weaker know it is better than looking like you shouldn't be able to move your arms efficiently
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Post by: mav on August 20, 2009, 03:52:03 pm
Post by: mav on August 20, 2009, 03:52:03 pm
In an unrelated note, I decided to download Shishi and all that jazz to test out one of the palettes and portraits. Hmm...does the breastplate look a little less irregular on this palette?
Open the spoilers to see the images...
I think the portrait looks perfect (it looks like how it does in Paint, etc) and the palette looks correct (as in no color loss; I'm thinking about darkening the palette), though it seems that the sprite itself looks kinda awkward at times. I'd like to hear what you guys think...
Open the spoilers to see the images...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/a9d308ff.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/b3ab1582.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/1737bded.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/133f4599.png)
I think the portrait looks perfect (it looks like how it does in Paint, etc) and the palette looks correct (as in no color loss; I'm thinking about darkening the palette), though it seems that the sprite itself looks kinda awkward at times. I'd like to hear what you guys think...
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Post by: dwib on August 20, 2009, 05:30:24 pm
Post by: dwib on August 20, 2009, 05:30:24 pm
the eyes look low while just standing there and charging... you can't even see the Reliquian's left eye when it's charging.
Taking damage looks perfect though wouldn't change a thing
Taking damage looks perfect though wouldn't change a thing
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Post by: SplashWoman on August 20, 2009, 05:38:06 pm
Post by: SplashWoman on August 20, 2009, 05:38:06 pm
I agree, It seems like the eyes are kind of low in general/the shawl/mask over the mouth is too high.
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Post by: Archael on August 20, 2009, 07:15:34 pm
Post by: Archael on August 20, 2009, 07:15:34 pm
portrait is perfect but sprite needs work
I was wrong about the in-game, the face needs help ASAP
I was wrong about the in-game, the face needs help ASAP
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Post by: mav on August 20, 2009, 07:19:39 pm
Post by: mav on August 20, 2009, 07:19:39 pm
I agree wholeheartedly: I've never been partial to the mask and the eyes tend to get lost quickly, which isn't good...I guess I could work on it...though I'm not much of a spriter.
So should I hold off on finishing the palettes until the sprite is cleaned up, or will it be possible to easily implement those palettes after the sprite has been modified?
So should I hold off on finishing the palettes until the sprite is cleaned up, or will it be possible to easily implement those palettes after the sprite has been modified?
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Post by: dwib on August 20, 2009, 11:13:33 pm
Post by: dwib on August 20, 2009, 11:13:33 pm
I think the mask looks fine... the eyes suck. When you can actually see the eyes it looks like he has down's syndrome... overall it's nice work though, i'm a fan
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Post by: Asmo X on August 20, 2009, 11:25:22 pm
Post by: Asmo X on August 20, 2009, 11:25:22 pm
The portrait looks pretty solid to me. I seem to remember someone had a version of the portrait with some different shading that i preferred but the current one is still pretty good. With the sprite, what you really need is for your dark areas to be even darker. Compare the reliquian sprite to the ones around it. It almost looks like it's glowing. The shading needs to go a bit deeper.
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Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 12:02:12 am
Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 12:02:12 am
Alrighty--I'll keep working on the brown palette; I can darken the shadows a bit, thanks for the tip Asmo. And if no one else wants to work on the sprite itself then I'll take a stab at that later. Right now I have the black palette done (took the colors straight from one of the Ninja's palettes, I believe) and the very white one (which I took from one of the Priest's palettes), so hopefully those two will look proper.
EDIT: More of the sprite in action. Now you can see the brown palette modified and one of the other palettes too.
EDIT: More of the sprite in action. Now you can see the brown palette modified and one of the other palettes too.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/4001e074.png)
Note how his palette is a bit darker than it was previously.
Note how his palette is a bit darker than it was previously.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/55e03282.png)
Hmm...
Hmm...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/25039731.png)
Note the three of 'em, especially the dead one. What do you guys think about this portrait?
Note the three of 'em, especially the dead one. What do you guys think about this portrait?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/300e3147.png)
Looks like I accidentally painted something white that should have been brown. Better fix that...
Looks like I accidentally painted something white that should have been brown. Better fix that...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/mavken/939df265.png)
Nothing special, I just like the way the white ones look...
Nothing special, I just like the way the white ones look...
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Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 21, 2009, 01:00:25 am
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 21, 2009, 01:00:25 am
If you'd ask me,
they're fine.
(except for the "He Attacks" pic)
they're fine.
(except for the "He Attacks" pic)
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Post by: dwib on August 21, 2009, 01:34:50 am
Post by: dwib on August 21, 2009, 01:34:50 am
Here is a quick edit of what looks more natural for his face... The original is on the right
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5215/minej.png)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5215/minej.png)
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Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 11:46:36 am
Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 11:46:36 am
The image isn't loading for me dwib...
And yeah, I changed up the brown one; I'll take more screenshots as necessary. I've also been looking through the sprite and notice that a lot of the arms (especially when the arm is raised up) use a black interior shade, as opposed to the shade of the interior portion of the cape. I'm not sure whether Miroshi did this on purpose...and I really haven't worked on sprites at this magnitude, so I'm probably gonna just finish the other five palettes and then either upload the bmp and spr for someone else to modify or just suck it up and work on it myself...
And yeah, I changed up the brown one; I'll take more screenshots as necessary. I've also been looking through the sprite and notice that a lot of the arms (especially when the arm is raised up) use a black interior shade, as opposed to the shade of the interior portion of the cape. I'm not sure whether Miroshi did this on purpose...and I really haven't worked on sprites at this magnitude, so I'm probably gonna just finish the other five palettes and then either upload the bmp and spr for someone else to modify or just suck it up and work on it myself...
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Post by: beawulfx on August 21, 2009, 11:50:42 am
Post by: beawulfx on August 21, 2009, 11:50:42 am
Awesome to see it in game. The only thing I notice and I'm sure it's not news to you but the eyes on the brown palette look pretty funny, like a pair of silly glasses he has on or something, if that makes sense. The white palette though they actually look quite good so I dunno how that happens but I just figured I'd point it out. Keep up the good work mav!
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Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 11:53:32 am
Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 11:53:32 am
Should eye lighten the eye color and/or darken the white on it? Right now the eyes are an extremely similar shade to the brown garb, so maybe I could make them something more noticeable...
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Post by: beawulfx on August 21, 2009, 12:01:41 pm
Post by: beawulfx on August 21, 2009, 12:01:41 pm
Hmm, it might just be that I am seeing it in a weird way but all I see is like a white circle that looks to be outlined in black or something so it stands out as looking like reflective glasses. I think that just looking at the other sprites from the game they have large black portions in their eyes with only a little white, but I guess they also have the whole face to work with while the mask limits the amount of space you have to make a larger eye. But I don't know any great solution, I have never sprited before, but perhaps changing the shade or adding more black or even a larger eye would look nice, if those suggestions are do-able!
EDIT: Also I like that you misspelled 'I' as 'eye', or if it was intentional, then I like that too.
EDIT: Also I like that you misspelled 'I' as 'eye', or if it was intentional, then I like that too.
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Post by: dwib on August 21, 2009, 02:28:27 pm
Post by: dwib on August 21, 2009, 02:28:27 pm
I will try again... Original on the right
(http://i28.tinypic.com/mcdc1l.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/mcdc1l.jpg)
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Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 04:14:24 pm
Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 04:14:24 pm
Ah! I see it now, dwib, I'll try to fix that error when I get back home later today.
Oh and that typo of mine is embarrassingly great.
Oh and that typo of mine is embarrassingly great.
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Post by: Cheetah on November 29, 2009, 04:14:58 pm
Post by: Cheetah on November 29, 2009, 04:14:58 pm
Final Fantasy Gaiden and these new portraits might make you rethink the design of this job a bit.
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtop ... 5495#95495 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=95495#95495)
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtop ... 5495#95495 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=95495#95495)
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Post by: LastingDawn on November 29, 2009, 04:50:53 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on November 29, 2009, 04:50:53 pm
Ah yes, for a portrait... maybe on the female one because I think the male one is perfect as is.
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Post by: mav on November 29, 2009, 06:31:49 pm
Post by: mav on November 29, 2009, 06:31:49 pm
And on that note, I've started a female Reliquain portrait, using parts of the female Time Mage and Thief, as well as the turban made by the Japanese site.
I'm not sure how far along MiKe was with his portrait though...
I'm not sure how far along MiKe was with his portrait though...
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Post by: LastingDawn on November 29, 2009, 07:05:32 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on November 29, 2009, 07:05:32 pm
I like that! I love the hair and her look, great work Mav!
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Post by: mav on November 29, 2009, 08:13:51 pm
Post by: mav on November 29, 2009, 08:13:51 pm
Whoops--I forgot to give her a mask. And the jewel needs work too. This is 17 colors...I'll take care of all this by my next edit.
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Post by: Jumza on November 29, 2009, 09:08:16 pm
Post by: Jumza on November 29, 2009, 09:08:16 pm
I think there is something wrong with the jewel on her head...but maybe its just me.
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Post by: jimmyjw88 on November 29, 2009, 10:47:26 pm
Post by: jimmyjw88 on November 29, 2009, 10:47:26 pm
That looks great.
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Post by: MiKeMiTchi on November 30, 2009, 06:21:43 am
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on November 30, 2009, 06:21:43 am
Ahh.. I never had the chance to finish the portrait. 
I think the new one by mav is better than mine. Just fix the jewel, or make is smaller.
How 'bout the sprite look?
I think the new one by mav is better than mine. Just fix the jewel, or make is smaller.
How 'bout the sprite look?
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Post by: mav on November 30, 2009, 08:14:14 am
Post by: mav on November 30, 2009, 08:14:14 am
Quote from: "Jumza"I think there is something wrong with the jewel on her head...but maybe its just me.No, I definitely don't like the jewel either. I just made it gigantic to cover up a strand of hair on the original turban. I'll clean it up when I get home tonight.
Can you link me to the completed sprite, MiKe?
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Post by: Wasabi on December 01, 2009, 10:36:30 pm
Post by: Wasabi on December 01, 2009, 10:36:30 pm
The turban looks very oblong to me. Maybe it's too ovalish and it doesn't give definition to her scalp as much as I would appreciate. Also, does her brow above the left eye seem to be covering one pixel too much, or is it just me?
Anyway, really nice portrait. Can't wait to see her with a mouth veil.
Anyway, really nice portrait. Can't wait to see her with a mouth veil.