FFT: Complete Main Info thread

[Cheetah]

Announcement: New Video

So this is just to show off what the music test is all about found in the Japanese version of the game. We are hoping to get this working in FFT:C in the very near future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k8xiZ1TF30

[Archael]

great job

I had no clue these existed

[Sephirot24]

I see this project is going along fine ^^

I have a question. Are those little gameplay fixes done? Things like making oil work, giving Samurais innate Two Hands, etc..

[Cheetah]

Sephirot: Most of the glitch and bug fixes will likely be some of the last things we do. Though why would giving Samurais innate Two Hands be part of that?

[Sephirot24]

I thought it was a clear mistake in vanilla. Ninjas get innate two swords and have the ability "two swords" available for purchase, just like knights have equip sword, monks have martial arts, or lancers have equip spear. Samurais are supposed to have innate two hands, and be able to learn two hands support. You know... Samurais have always held their Katanas with both hands...

I though it was accepted as a vanilla bug / error.

[Vanya]

It does seem like a logical conclusion that it was an error or at least an inconsistency that should be corrected. Thoughts?

[beawulfx]

I've never doubted that was an error by the developers. It definitely fits in with the rest of the game and explains why the armoured Samurai can't/don't equip shields.

[LastingDawn]

Well this all comes down to... was it fixed in WoTL? If it wasn't I'd say it wasn't a glitch.

[Sephirot24]

Well this all comes down to... was it fixed in WoTL? If it wasn't I'd say it wasn't a glitch.

Never played WOTL.. but as shocking as this may sound, it seems Samurais don't have innate Both Hands there either! I've just read a WOTL FAQ on Gamefaqs... can anyone who played WOTL confirm?

It doesn't make sense IMO. Both ultimate physical classes should get innate.. not just ninja. Besides, two swords is better than two hands just for the evasion factor (you have double chance of hitting)... and they get it innate, but samurais don't?? what's the point then? Samurais can't even equip shields.. and Samurais have always held their Katanas with both hands.. it doesn't make any sense to me that they don't have it innate!

[SilvasRuin]

WoTL doesn't give them that innate.  And you're right, it doesn't make sense.  I think it was originally an oversight and whoever designed them forgot to include that.  Since it isn't an actual bug or glitch... it was overlooked again.  They didn't look much at balance fixes in WoTL, so they would have really just targeted things that weren't working properly.

[TRC]

Another reason I can think for innate Two Hands is the fact that Katanas formula includes brave as a factor (like Knight Swords) meaning that in addition to no shield, and only using one hand, the weapon isn't even as strong as its says it is, or something.

I'm not very articulate atm >_>

[Sephirot24]

Yeah. It's not 15 power. It's (15*Br)/100

That was a gameplay incoherence / inconsistence, and not a bug or glitch, and that's why it was overlooked again. As far as I know, there is a general consent of it being something that must be fixed.

[beawulfx]

Slightly side note: Did WotL fix the 'oil' status to make it actually... do something? Because I don't remember, it's been way too long since I actually played it...

[Vanya]

IIRC it was fixed.

I agree that Samurai should have had their innate, but more importantly is this something that fits in with the scope of the hack?
Should we also correct the dude in the Deep Dungeon that screams like a chick? That is obviously another error that was overlooked.

[Archael]

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[SilvasRuin]

If it seems very obvious that something was overlooked, then I say it should be fixed.  Don't mind the hypothetical, but that is like leaving in the JP scroll glitch just because (here's the hypothetical:) the game makers overlooked it when making WoTL.  So maybe it isn't as severe.  It is still just as much an oversight.  The guy in DD is a definite must fix.

The Samurai isn't so obvious an oversight though, I'll admit...  I personally think it is (vanilla samurai aren't worth using for ANYTHING other than learning their skillset), but there is no way to actually prove it.  Perhaps a poll to see what the viewpoint of the community is?

[Dome]

I agree that the samurai should get the innate...and I agree about the poll...
This patch is not meant to be an "updated, balanced, and challenging FFT experience"...so I dont worry about balancement issue

[Cheetah]

SilvasRuin: You want the transvestite DD guy fix? That is terrible, that is a classic character of FFT. Heshe doesn't hurt anything right? I know it is an obvious error, but now it has become a kind of Easter egg unless it actually causes problems in the game.

I will have to think about this poll idea. Like Voldemort said it is a major gray area. What it comes down to is that it is such an easy thing to change using FFTPatcher, that it might not really be worth it either way.

There is another of these gray areas that have occurred to me. The Job requirement levels. Here are links to the PSX and then PSP versions. Does anyone know where I could find a list of the original Japanese ones or are they the same as WOTL?

PSX: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197339/3883
PSP: http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/psp/file/937312/50312

[Xifanie]

Here, from my excel spreadsheet

I think Wotl is identical.

[Heian]

The Deep Dungeon girl has to stay!

She's part of the game, and not a glitch at all.  The US version had all the generic soldier quotes dummied out, but in the Japanese original, one of them (Matilda) doesn't say anything; the game says '[Doesn't realize she's a woman.]'  I assumed that this was the woman-dressed-as-a-man in the DD.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197339/16311

In WotL they translated all these quotes, but changed many of the names, so I have no idea who got this quote in the new version.  Does anyone have a list of generic soldier quotes for the remake?