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Archael:
I know you said you're going to release a PPF of what is done so far, my concern was that you release a PPF of an incomplete patch (I am aware that Remix is FAAAARRR from completion) and then have zero progress in actual work for another 10 months.

Then again, an incomplete game is better than no game I guess.

I want to play finished FFT Remix, not a version at 20% completion. My question was if it's ever going to get finished, because at this rate, it seems like we won't ever see a finished version of Remix. It's been 2 years already.

(and please stop deleting my posts, I am raising a valid concern here)

Cheetah:
It most other forums I frequent people who constantly make posts about when something is going to be released are generally considered rude and I was under the impression that is was an unspoken and sometimes public rule about not doing it.

Hacking is a very time consuming hobby. It is great that you are excited about Zozma's patch, but find better ways of showing it other than complaining. This project is Zozma's hobby for his enjoyment, if you happen to get any enjoyment out of it consider yourself lucky (not entitled).

Archael:
It is Zozma's hobby for his enjoyment, but it's also a hobby that has been abandoned and currently stands incomplete without any sign of continuation. That is disappointing for everyone that 1) Contributed to help finish it. 2) Anyone that had any desire whatsoever to see it finished.

It's not simply a hobby once you gather a community around it as a project, Cheetah, and this is where the "It's just a hobby!!!!" excuse falls apart. Projects drive towards completion. This is not what most of the "projects" that we start around here are. They are ideas that people dabble in, they are not projects.

Hacking is indeed very time consuming, but just because something is time consuming does not mean that you shouldn't properly measure the scope of your project against the reality of the time you are able / willing to put into it in order to finish it.

To put things into perspective, Cheetah, let's take your patch, FFT: Complete. You set some goals (modest goals, but completely reasonable ones for the time you spend online), you rationed your spare time to work on it, and you finished it. FFT: Complete is now a finished project, people can download it and play it for it's intended purpose. Congratulations! The work and ideas of the FFH members who got involved can now be proudly displayed as a playable game. Really good stuff.

Now let's compare it to FFT Remix. It set some extremely ambitious goals:
1) Tons of event and storyline edits
2) Entire new job / ability system
3) Tons of new character join up scenes
4) Res-structured storyline progression

The problem is that it's been 2 years in development, this forum hasn't seen real activity in over 9 months, AND it's nowhere near close to completion. Why? Maybe Zozma lost interest, but the more plausible scenario is simply that he set some goals that are too ambitious for the amount of time he spends online and the amount of time he was willing to work on this.

If a full hack is too much work for you (and this is too much for Zozma to finish ATM), then scope your game down to something you CAN finish.

A small game is better than no game, and that is what FFT Remix is currently.

Let's be realistic here. Unless Zozma tomorrow magically starts working on this project for 5 hours a day for 3 months straight, this project isn't getting finished in another 2 years. It's simply too much work for the amount of time / pace Zozma works at (currently Zero). This project is dead, and my point with this topic was to try and put things into perspective as to why it's a horrible idea and a waste of time to start things you can't finish, ESPECIALLY when you get other people involved. This really needs to change, so that FFH starts making actual finished, playable projects, and not dead forum sections.

PS: I am not complaining so much as trying to instigate change. I am just writing down what I have observed in this forum for the last 2 years. Abandonment. I love FFH, and it's disappointing to see forums like this waste people's ideas and time on a "project" that the original creator never had the direction / will / spare time to put together into something playable. A hacking site that doesn't finish anything it starts is a sad state of affairs, and you will find no one on this site that disagrees with this.

Cheetah:
It sounds like you have some good goals for the site Voldemort, but I don't see how repeatedly commenting about how this project is going no where is supporting those goals. FFT:Remix has seen a lot of development over the years, almost solely on the part of Zozma, and progress has slowed. Maybe it will be completed maybe it wont, it is just a fact of life that not all dreams come true. In the mean time it is tucked away in a nice place in the forums where people can check on what it is all about and Zozma can make the occasional update as he can. Ultimately it is his work and it is his decision about what he wants to do with it.

If you want to see projects that get completed then give people advice who are starting new ones, that is where you can initiate change. Or even better start your own new project. With these topics about projects being "dead" I think all you are doing is making people who are already feeling dejected that life doesn't allow them time to work on projects they enjoy feel even less motivated to work on them.

I appreciate the complements about FFT:C, but ultimately I don't even consider that project halfway done. I have an amazing translator who has made it possible for the sound novels to finally be experienced in English, but for the life of me I can't get the time or motivation to get them implemented. I'm a full time grad student with two part time jobs, and I'm considering quitting one or both my jobs to keep up with school. It fucking sucks because I love hacking this game but I know that I wont be doing it for the rest of my life. I think a lot of our other members are in similar situations

If your goal is to get projects like FFT:Remix and Mercenaries closed down and given up on then I think you are succeeding. If you honestly just want to see change in the community and how projects are approached then I think you need to change up your tactics.

Archael:

--- Quote ---Ultimately it is his work and it is his decision about what he wants to do with it.
--- End quote ---

It's Zodiac's decision, ultimately it is Zodiac's site. Last time I checked Zodiac closes down projects that are going nowhere or have been incomplete + inactive for a prolonged amount of time. That rule's there for a reason.


--- Quote ---If you want to see projects that get completed then give people advice who are starting new ones, that is where you can initiate change.
--- End quote ---

You can't stop 100 newbies from posting their idea on the forums - and that doesn't matter at all, because those ideas don't become "community" projects like FFT Remix, and they don't drain the site member resources / time - they just get ignored. But you can stop one idea that has 0 capability of seeing completion (like this one) from ever getting a forum section, becoming a "community project" and wasting people's time / work for 2 years straight like this one has without ever amounting to anything playable.

That is the major problem IMO. Dead forum sections which don't result in playable games. That's what the "hobby" is, making games. Not leaving games unfinished.

See the difference? If you raise the standards this kind of **** wouldn't be happening.



--- Quote ---I appreciate the complements about FFT:C, but ultimately I don't even consider that project halfway done.
--- End quote ---

Don't try to draw attention away from the fact that FFT:Complete had clear, achievable goals established which were indeed met. FFT:Complete has a fully playable version out there right now that meets every single goal it set out to do. FFT Remix does not. After 2 years, going into 3. Don't try to dance around it.



--- Quote ---If you honestly just want to see change in the community and how projects are approached then I think you need to change up your tactics.
--- End quote ---

Hey, I'm doing my part, analyzing what I see and putting it into a post so people can see for themselves what has happened here after 2 years (not much). At-least I'm doing my part for what I think is a positive change. What are you doing? Defending stagnation? You fix your tactics, then you may criticize mine.


But perhaps you're right. Maybe it's better to give up on dead projects like this one and focus on the new ideas entering the site. Quoting someone from chat:

"it's a colossus that will never be finished and he cant be reasoned with"

Very true.

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