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[Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight  (Read 2522 times)
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R999
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  • [July 08, 2010, 12:27:56 AM]
[Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight
« on: July 08, 2010, 12:27:56 AM »
R7, R8




Agrias R5



Tip: ^ Don't lolcopycolorfromanothersprite.



Agrias Proto R4, R2, R1



^ had to sacrifice one skin color for this.


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Archael
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  • [July 08, 2010, 02:24:33 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 02:24:33 AM »
I see what you were trying to do based on that concept you posted, but this needs work IMO

something about it isn't right.. perhaps it's all the light coloring together... ZERO contrast
R999
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  • [July 08, 2010, 04:56:38 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 04:56:38 AM »
Posted some new updates / variations (R3, R4, R5).

Will be trying another style later. I've got some work to do for today and tomorrow.  These concepts could be used for Alicia and Lavian if they end up not being used.


Edit: another update R7 and R8 (see main post).

This was a nice surprise; I was actually able to make good use of those Zalbag arms with minimal editing.
Archael
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  • [July 08, 2010, 04:57:43 PM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 04:57:43 PM »
MUCH improved
Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [July 08, 2010, 08:14:39 PM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 08:14:39 PM »
r8 after fixing a few pixels..

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Ramza: But im a monk!!
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Lijj [Posts: 2039]
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  • [July 08, 2010, 09:15:24 PM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 09:15:24 PM »
Hmm well Zalbag's arms were too big remember?
R999
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  • [July 09, 2010, 02:04:12 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 02:04:12 AM »
OOPs sorry Smash I edited over your reply by accident. You said something about coming up with a new, inexperienced knight design....


@Smash: I am glad you said that because that is exactly the kind of design i was going after. She is afterall, the strongest knight of Lionsguard and was appointed the personal bodyguard of the Royal Family; she is no rookie and definitely isn't just starting out.

I like the "fur" design on her because it gives her that same mystic aura as seen through Gaffgarion's design (that of a great warrior) and in addition to giving her that "royal guard" look to it (in a small way but nevertheless).

The final but important reason for going for a new Agrias design was to make her show clear expertise in her knight skills, distinctively different than from that of Alicia and Lavian, who will (very likely) be using the original Agrias as a base.


Zozma: please talk to me in Chat about these pixels.


Lijj: Yes indeed those arms are large. That was why I went with the tweaks that you may or may not be able to see above(?).  We'll talk more about it in chat.

From Chat,
Smash
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  • [July 09, 2010, 03:54:51 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 03:54:51 AM »
Ah. Well, I thought it had to be something lowlier Agrias's original FFT design..


...Which frankly, sucks. R7 it is, but the shading needs to be fixed, right now it looks like some kind of scarf.

Im making a small fix to it btw.
Smash
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  • [July 09, 2010, 04:11:18 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 04:11:18 AM »
R7 v.2 / R9

It needed visible separation between fur and shoulderpads, a fur texture, and a smoother golden line in the vest, all now applied.
R999
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  • [July 09, 2010, 04:19:43 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 04:19:43 AM »
R7v2 — or S1.

Anyway, I am still not decided on her tunic just yet (still kind of waiting for the walking animations to be done first before that's truly finalized. You gave her a full round skirt, but my intended design was more akin to what you see from Frimelda's design:



A more straightforward tunic than the regular round shape (it's also looking a little too bright at least on my calibrated screen) you might expect to see otherwise...

The middle shading you have came up with was a design that I have tried before; making her chest seemed like it is much lower than normal. That fur area is very tricky to get right but I can see your point.  Thanks for providing the tweak I'll play with it a little more when I get back on her.
Smash
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  • [July 09, 2010, 04:21:22 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 04:21:22 AM »
Lol wait. Another edit coming up
Smash
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  • [July 09, 2010, 04:25:34 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 04:25:34 AM »
S2

I recommend this one then.
R999
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  • [July 09, 2010, 04:31:20 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 04:31:20 AM »
Hmm, it's still still retaining that round shape (but this time, it is also slightly too small*). This will have to wait till her walking frames are done (which should be relatively soon).

Btw, you should join us in chat for these things. I don't usually check the forum this often.
Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [July 09, 2010, 04:59:19 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 04:59:19 AM »
smash that looks great, round shape? anyway that version looks the best so far. lol makes me like agrias all over again

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Smash
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  • [July 09, 2010, 05:09:31 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 05:09:31 AM »
Hmm. I think I'll add this observation along either way, as it's related. Got carried away.


Remember this, when pixeling, you are constantly manipulating the smallest of pixel clusters. The objective? To have them work together and create effects only visible to the normal view -That is, not zoomed in. This is an unique aspect of pixeling very rarely seen in actual drawing, and one that can make a big difference between a good sprite and a bad one.
(Which is why I think having a x1 sized sprite along with the zoomed in ones a good idea)

I've seen in all of you here, judging by your work, that you've been skipping this technique practically everywhere. And I think it's because of the zoom tool; where one draws till it looks good while zoomed in, and ignores how it will look to everyone else, ignoring in turn important pixeling techniques like Anti-aliasing and blending, and giving free roam to banding (Which is somewhat hard to notice when zoomed in).

I'll use this as an example while im at it



The gold line samples are up, and how the eye percieves it below. This is what I mean.

Blending and AAing on mine makes the line look softer and give a firm shape to the eye, while the sharpness of the pixels on the other gives it an irregular shape; yet while zoomed in, has a different overall appearance. Though it may not be much of a problem on some styles, like FF RW, I think the lack of blending and AAing against the FFT style, which sports very soft sprites no matter where you look, especially monster sprites.

The key here is to blend without exceeding it, and having the preview window your best friend. (Not to mention practicing AAing and blending fundamentals, for best results)


EDIT: This should be the one of the last steps when doing a sprite. Refining the shading, AAing and blending. (Great for a spriting tut)
Im saving this post.
R999
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  • [July 09, 2010, 05:21:23 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2010, 05:21:23 AM »
The way I work, I am constantly zooming in and out about 5 times per minute. I often have multiple windows of the same sprite in different sizes for this purpose (500%, 400%, 200%, 100%, you can have multiple windows of the same file in Photoshop). I have also had pixel experience (I worked on small pixel density displays like the iPhone's 320x480 screen) so I know what you are talking about. I can argue for hours over a single pixel in my work (and sometimes for AA reasons).

My workspace looks like this currently,


You do have to keep in mind though, nobody plays FFT in such a small resolution. On Mac OSX, the system wide Ctrl+Mouse Wheel Zoom supports both AA On and AA Off GPU assisted zooms which let me test for that instantly (which I always use). There is not a windows equivalent that I know of though, but this is important when testing for AA zoom.


I am actually surprised that you had this kind of experience before. In the end it is all about what the eye perceives.

As for 100% sized samples, do you also not have a resize function in your editors?  There is a better way to share files... me and Lijj shares original BMP files via Dropbox (an online repository of sorts for us). Any changes we make are instantly reflected in the others computers. Our share currently has something upwards 180MB of files. If you are interested, you are welcome to join in.
Smash
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  • [July 09, 2010, 05:31:17 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2010, 05:31:17 AM »
Why waste time browsing through windows? :P
Good thing GG has this, like Paint before.

[attachment=0:3dtilrrx]Upload.png[/attachment:3dtilrrx]


EDIT: After watching your workplace- Holy shit

Nobody might play FFT in smaller resolutions, but playing with these effects manually greatly boosts the blending mode's capabilities.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2010, 05:36:05 AM by Smash »
R999
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  • [July 09, 2010, 05:33:56 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight (updated R7, R8)
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2010, 05:33:56 AM »
^ It's the exact same thing really, but in Photoshop it is a lot faster (GPU assisted zooms) and you can have as many of these preview windows as you like, in any kind of zoom too! Getting off topic here... you should save this for a tutorial.
Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [July 10, 2010, 08:15:52 PM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2010, 08:15:52 PM »
i still agree with the way smash's edited version looks... the sprite will be beautiful if its done that way... come on! lol...

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Kagebunji [Posts: 4314]
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  • [August 02, 2010, 12:46:17 AM]
Re: [Sprite] Agrias, The Holy Knight
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2010, 12:46:17 AM »
I personally choose S2.

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