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  • [September 01, 2009, 04:51:19 PM]
September Phools 1.3
« on: September 01, 2009, 04:51:19 PM »
A lot of people fell for the prank, and supposedly some even got mad and ragequited! That's what you get from an 8 hours joke that some find of bad taste.

Here is how I started it:

Maybe you'll learn this the harsh way, but I had to remove the 1.3 forum section.
Square Enix hasn't sent us a C&D letter; that's not the reason.

You see I know a lot of people praise 1.3 but a lot are on the other side, noticing how ridiculous it is. Honestly I don't see the point of keeping a patch that only attracts members that I could say have a lower IQ than the rest of the forum. Please understand, I'm only doing this for the best of our community. I removed all the topics from the database so there is no going back now.

I'm sure most of you will agree that we should focus more on patches like Mercenaries or FFT: Complete.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:08:37 PM]
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    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2009, 05:08:37 PM »
    Edit:  You're probably serious, and this post was laughing along at the prospect, so I'll just do this instead.

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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:08:40 PM]
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    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2009, 05:08:40 PM »
    Sorry Zodiac, but what is FFT: item?
    You mean FFT 1. 3?
    And...are you sure this is the best way to deal with the noobs or the shitty users?
    Until now you did fine with the banhammer...
    P.s: 1.3030 will be the last?
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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:14:21 PM]
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    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 05:14:21 PM »
    It's fine with me if Voldemort continues to work on it, but not FFH. That's up to him if it's the last version or not.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:19:02 PM]
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    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 05:19:02 PM »
    So, if someone wants to download the patch, he must ask to arch?
    Or the link for the download of the patch will stay on the site?
    It' forbidden to talk of that patch here on FFH on not?
    I apologize for all those questions, but this is a very big change to the site...until now, that patch was the "Shining part" of the forum (IMHO), and I want to fully understand what it's going to change from now on
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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:27:34 PM]
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    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 05:27:34 PM »
    Of course I can't prohibit talking about 1.3 since the removal of the section alone will alone create a lot of changes.
    The patch was never on FFH to start with except for early versions.
    I won't stop the distribution either; I just don't want it to have so much attention anymore.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:27:49 PM]
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    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 05:27:49 PM »
    So I suppose whenever a project gets done, popular, and draws people to this site it'll be shut down as well?

    LD:  Start backing up everything.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 05:41:43 PM]
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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 05:41:43 PM »
    I've never, ever imagined something like this would happen. I see you're 100% serious about this... but I think phil hit the nail... that project was indeed the most popular because we could say it was "finished" (regular updates but still). I understand your point of view, but 1..3 wasn't just a rebalance of the whole game, and most other projects, while still going fine through development, are not finished yet. Mercenaries looks awesome IMO, but they still have some time to go. The fact that 1..3 is so popular now doesn't mean people don't like / don't support / wont enjoy or praise Mercenaries (or any other project on FFH) when they're finished or at least a little closer.

    I think this decision is too harsh. I'm not anyone to take decisions here though, you're the boss, and I'm a little afraid saying all this... but I can't help being sincere about this.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 06:24:47 PM]
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    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 06:24:47 PM »
    Why do you keep calling it 'item' and not '1.3'? At least keep a link to its downloads easily available, it's not a good idea to completely wipe all trace of a patch that many people enjoyed playing and was one of this site's main features.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 07:01:16 PM]
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    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2009, 07:01:16 PM »
    I hope this is a bad joke, while other projects showed more promise 1..3 was obviously the best thing the community had completed. I don't know how hard it could possibly be to ban stupid people once in a while. If it was that hard on you just give someone else the power to ban them, like Arch or Asmo or whatever who will not hold back on banning stupidity.

    And if it's a matter of 1..3 getting "too much attention" (what an arbitrary conclusion to draw), Mercenaries is getting way more creative attention than 1..3 by far. Many great spriters, artists, and ideas are culminating their while the 1..3 forum is more about battle logs, discussion, and attempting to 'perfect' the total rebalance already in place. It's not drawing from any other project and eliminating it from the site isn't going to divert attention elsewhere. This won't have any beneficial effects (for anyone other than yourself), I can pretty much guarantee that. If anyone disagrees I'd love to hear their reasons though.

    Anyway, again hoping this is a bad joke and not just a bad decision.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 07:28:24 PM]
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    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2009, 07:28:24 PM »
    It's not April 1st.

    Also, is calling it FFT: Item your way of saying that arch's way of making it difficult is giving a bunch of guys in each story battle 'item' command so it would be a huge sand bag fest ?  lulz  or how your guys all need item to stand any chance?
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    • [September 01, 2009, 07:50:15 PM]
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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2009, 07:50:15 PM »
    That probably explains it.

    It's gone now though...great idea, deleting it all without consulting anyone, Zodiac.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 08:04:07 PM]
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    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2009, 08:04:07 PM »
    Alright I get it.

    He has a filter on one point three so that it automatically translates to 'item' on the boards.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 08:05:01 PM]
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    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2009, 08:05:01 PM »
    Heh, this is ridiculous if its true.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 08:06:17 PM]
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    « Reply #14 on: September 01, 2009, 08:06:17 PM »
    Quote from: "Mental_Gear"
    Why do you keep calling it 'item' and not 'FFT: Item'? At least keep a link to its downloads easily available, it's not a good idea to completely wipe all trace of a patch that many people enjoyed playing and was one of this site's main features.


    The downloads are still available at http://fftdev.istaken.org/patches/Voldemort/
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    • [September 01, 2009, 08:08:03 PM]
    Re: FFT: Item
    « Reply #15 on: September 01, 2009, 08:08:03 PM »
    Quote from: "Zodiac"
    You see I know a lot of people praise FFT: Item but a lot are on the other side, noticing how ridiculous it is. Honestly I don't see the point of keeping a patch that only attracts members that I could say have a lower IQ than the rest of the forum. Please understand, I'm only doing this for the best of our community. I removed all the topics from the database so there is no going back now.

    I'm sure most of you will agree that we should focus more on patches like Mercenaries or FFT: Complete.


    Hmm, I dont really know where to start.

    I really hope (but am not expecting) that you didnt really remove all of the topics from the database.  I cant speak for anyone else, but there were definitely times when I liked to go back and look at the battle logs to see different strategies that people were using a fights and my old (sometimes flawed) but interesting thoughts about different things like my MR4M a long while back.  The loss of all that info out of the blue saddens me.

    One of the reasons you said you took down the 1. 3 section was to stop the noobs from their postings.  This strikes me as a huge loss to the community.  People posted their frustrations and strategies in order to get help and feedback, and in turn, it made them better FFT players.  There were some flamers, sure.  The number of new players looking for help and advice dwarfed the number of flamers.  Personally I know that I understand the game much better than I did before and still enjoy it as much as I did 10 years ago.

    What I'm really wondering if there was some issue that popped up between Zodiac and Voldemort that prompted all of this.  Thats my gut reaction upon reading the explaination anyways.

    If you were looking for a way to cut back on how many people come to FFHacktics, I think you've gotten it.  I'll drop in from time to time to check on Mercenaries (which looks awesome LD), but thats pretty much it for me.

    Thanks for the memories FFHacktics, both good and bad.  I enjoyed the time I was here, even when frustrated with the game from time to time.

    -Dol
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    • [September 01, 2009, 09:57:38 PM]
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    « Reply #16 on: September 01, 2009, 09:57:38 PM »
    This has gone way too far out of hand, with people seriously quitting.

    THIS IS A JOKE. DO NOT QUIT BECAUSE OF THIS!

    I hoped people would catch on with 1.3 being changed into FFT: Item would send the alarms ringing.

    Also, it is perfectly possible to play it without Item I'm sure.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 10:21:43 PM]
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    « Reply #17 on: September 01, 2009, 10:21:43 PM »
    Not funny.
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    • [September 01, 2009, 10:24:32 PM]
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    « Reply #18 on: September 01, 2009, 10:24:32 PM »
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    What I'm really wondering if there was some issue that popped up between Zodiac and Voldemort that prompted all of this.


    there was no issue between me and Zodiac... I have no idea what Zodiac is talking about or why
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    • [September 01, 2009, 10:37:58 PM]
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    « Reply #19 on: September 01, 2009, 10:37:58 PM »
    This is like what happened to one of  Diablo's most popular mod, Median.
    It really clustered the main forums  with posts mainly focused on balance issues, builds, patch requests and etc.

    May I suggest creating a "non-hosted mod" forum, moderated, where all posts are locked, and only the moderator can post and submit info as non-hosted mod's:
    1 - Concept-Main Features
    2 - Actual version
    3 - Latest change log
    4 - links for downloading etc

    So some people don't lose their trip browsing the forums, and we give some support to mods closer to the final version.
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