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What about Zalmo?  (Read 7380 times)
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Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [June 15, 2010, 01:21:12 AM]
Re: What about Zalmo?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2010, 01:21:12 AM »
possible, but not with my current plans to complete the patch for story battles only and not the events themselves

the original plans for alternate characters was this:
Choose Boco or get Gaffy later
Choose Miluda or get Monica later

however as things stand, you wont get gaffy or monica
you will get beatrix upon defeating her the second time however

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jimmyjw88 [Posts: 2913]
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  • [June 15, 2010, 05:13:42 AM]
Re: What about Zalmo?
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2010, 05:13:42 AM »
Ah, I see. So, we're going to fight her two times? Hmm...So, are we going to lose any special member in obtaining Beatrix?
Also, if we will get her on the second battle, then about the first battle, she'll teleport away when she lose or she win, just like FF9?

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Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [June 15, 2010, 08:59:55 AM]
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2010, 08:59:55 AM »
theres no way to make her win without triggering a game over, at least no method thats worth the time working on. so no, she will be the one to teleport away just like zalmo does

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jimmyjw88 [Posts: 2913]
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  • [June 15, 2010, 11:28:06 AM]
Re: What about Zalmo?
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2010, 11:28:06 AM »
I see. Alright then.
Erm....What about "losing party member"? You mentioned,
Quote from: "Zozma"
however as things stand, you wont get gaffy or monica
you will get beatrix upon defeating her the second time however
; meaning we will lose either Gafgarion or Monica after obtain Beatrix?

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Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [June 15, 2010, 07:28:53 PM]
Re: What about Zalmo?
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2010, 07:28:53 PM »
not as a result of getting beatrix, no. only because theres no event instruction set to allow or not allow you to get gaffy or monica.

there is no sacrifice for obtaining beatrix, you just have to survive :)

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  • [June 15, 2010, 08:13:54 PM]
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2010, 08:13:54 PM »
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Do you think sacrificing one of the great party member (special characters) for the exchange of Beatrix would make the battle more interesting and challenging? And this battle, the exchange of Beatrix with another great special character will affect and change the aftermath, the course and the outcome in the future battles and stories, perhaps? Making the player to make the choice wisely.
Is it possible?

Indeed it is. I was wondering Zozma, how many of the Elemental Guardians join you by the point you fight Beatrix the second time? I would almost say that those four are necessary to get Beatrix to join your group, otherwise Delita and Ramza just kill her.


EDIT: Zozma, the way to prevent getting Gafgarion is relatively simple. Do you recall that Algus quip at the end of Chapter 1? One decision makes it that Algus berates Ramza for ignoring Algus when it mattered, the other was to rescue him, which Algus's comeback is really weak. If you tie that instruction into Boco's rescue and have Gafgarion's change of heart be not having that  switched, it is fully possible.

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Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [June 15, 2010, 08:25:37 PM]
Re: What about Zalmo?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2010, 08:25:37 PM »
My only problem LD is that i am not curretnly working on events and i might not... i recall the instruction things but i dont know exactly how to execute them.

Also, is the fight at the church outside of town before or after Germinas peak? you get the last element at germinas but that can be changed, if germinas is after that fight that would mean that currently you only have Lavian and Deis
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However, what i originally wanted to do was make it so that in order to recruit the next element, you had to have recruited the one before that. If, for example, you dont recruit lavian and set the flag then Deis will not appear as a guest at Yuguo woods. Then without recruiting Deis,  you dont get Gin, etc
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My original idea was that with all the choices you make in the game, you end up with a certain set of 16 specials.
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Btw, with the introduction of Beatrix into Lezalia back gate, ill also introduce the first generic Clerics (which uses the "gretchen" sprite aka 20yo woman. Her troops will all be females as well

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jimmyjw88 [Posts: 2913]
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  • [June 16, 2010, 05:50:32 AM]
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2010, 05:50:32 AM »
Interesting. So in the end of the game, we will not get the same sets of special characters?

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Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [June 16, 2010, 05:52:58 AM]
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2010, 05:52:58 AM »
nope, one way or another, you will have to kick some out for others as you have access to more specials than you have space for

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  • [June 16, 2010, 06:07:18 AM]
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2010, 06:07:18 AM »
Ah, so we have to choose ourselves on kicking out which special characters for other special to get in. Hmm

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Zozma [Posts: 4602]
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  • [June 16, 2010, 07:17:46 AM]
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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2010, 07:17:46 AM »
thats pretty much how it is as it stands right now, you make your own choices as the time comes.

if you like collecting special units well then, ive left absolutely no room for generics by mid chapter 4

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  • [June 16, 2010, 11:12:58 AM]
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2010, 11:12:58 AM »
So, meaning we may have all the specials by throwing away all the generics?
If that's so, then too bad.
I was hoping that we have to sacrifice some specials; one or two perhaps. ^^

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  • [June 16, 2010, 11:35:19 AM]
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2010, 11:35:19 AM »
No, special characters exceed the amount of characters you can have in your party. Like Zoz said, you cannot have all the special characters in your party at once, at least two playthroughs are required to have them all.

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  • [June 16, 2010, 12:43:52 PM]
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2010, 12:43:52 PM »
Ah, well, that's better. Make choice on which to keep and which to kick.

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