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dwib [Posts: 674]
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  • [November 21, 2008, 12:50:08 AM]
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2008, 12:50:08 AM »
i believe their advantage is their high PA and ability to dual wield ranged weapons (crossbows) and that, IMO, is a large advantage

i bump my suggestion that this class be named "Ace"

EDIT: look everyone i beat Voldemort to the punch at describing his own vision :)
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  • [November 21, 2008, 12:51:40 AM]
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2008, 12:51:40 AM »
thisjob will be strong enough in offense

it shouldn't be as fast as an archer

and no high HP

just because they can't use STATUS doesn't mean they need extra stats

this job's strength is the double ranged attack, the skillset, and that's it

it's up side is power

not speed or HP or anything else
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  • [November 21, 2008, 01:39:57 AM]
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2008, 01:39:57 AM »
Shit I didn't even bother to check the archer's skillset.

Also Voldemort, I didn't presume anything. There are too many classes than CAN mow down everything at will and that's why I said it. Stop finding stupid trivial shit to make snarky comments about.
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dwib [Posts: 674]
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  • [November 21, 2008, 02:00:07 AM]
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2008, 02:00:07 AM »
hey now. stop that.
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  • [November 21, 2008, 03:46:22 AM]
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2008, 03:46:22 AM »
Honestly now, wouldn't the Charge skillset be pretty much perfect for this class?

You may be looking for something that is somehow new and exciting, but I'm seeing ideas bouncing around here about a physical class with charge times whose strength is tied directly to their double ranged attack, and Charge compliments exactly those things.  CT would probably need to be reduced to buff the skillset some, but Charge would actually be somewhat useful if you're packing a double attack every turn.
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Dormin Jake [Posts: 409]
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  • [November 21, 2008, 03:50:31 AM]
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2008, 03:50:31 AM »
Also, how about "Arbalist?"

wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbalist_(crossbowman)
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  • [November 21, 2008, 01:57:51 PM]
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2008, 01:57:51 PM »
Ace... why ace?

I'm sure there's a better name for a ranged powerhouse
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  • [November 21, 2008, 02:48:06 PM]
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2008, 02:48:06 PM »
Like Cannon :).
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Dormin Jake [Posts: 409]
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  • [November 21, 2008, 06:15:58 PM]
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2008, 06:15:58 PM »
Yeah, Ace is kinda fighter pilot-ish.  

A name is hard to come by for this, because there's just no real-world precedent for someone who dual wields crossbows.  Too impractical to do without some kind of repeating mechanism, which I'm sure these guys have, of course.

Arbalist literally means crossbowman.
Cannon sounds badass.
Ballista is a name SentinalBlade's using for one of his ranged classes, and references heavy medieval artillery, which fits quite well here.
Ace or Elite or something of that nature works well with the idea that this is a high tier physical class.
Crossbowperson would be wonderfully politically correct, I suppose.
Penetrator could be vaguely erotic.
Impaler, Marauder, Marksman, Raider, I dunno I dunno!

Ballista's my personal favorite of those.  All a ballista is is one giant freaking crossbow that up and impales castle walls and people who get in its way.  All offense, and not much in the way of defense.  But I'm stealing SentinalBlade's intellectual property here, so that makes me a very bad person and I'm so so sorry don't sue me!
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  • [November 21, 2008, 06:22:19 PM]
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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2008, 06:22:19 PM »
Arbalist

could work
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  • [November 21, 2008, 08:43:23 PM]
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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2008, 08:43:23 PM »
I like ballista. And yes Ace is kinda fighter pilot-ish, but aren't fighter pilots ranged powerhouses?? o_O
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  • [November 21, 2008, 09:21:39 PM]
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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2008, 09:21:39 PM »
Ace sounds like some spoiled american raised in okinawa son of a general fighter pilot brat that no one likes

please don't name it Ace
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  • [November 21, 2008, 09:39:48 PM]
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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2008, 09:39:48 PM »
I second that, don't name it Ace. It sounds too much like an assassin or stealthy fighter. Go with Ballista or something since that makes some sense, considering he is a arrow powerhouse.
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  • [November 21, 2008, 09:48:04 PM]
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2008, 09:48:04 PM »
what about Arbalist?

a Ballista is a huge crossbow-like siege engine

Arbalist, while it can also be used for a seige engine, is the name of someone who uses crossbows
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  • [November 21, 2008, 10:02:38 PM]
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2008, 10:02:38 PM »
I don't know a lot of people who may know on first sight what Arbalist means, but it could work.
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  • [November 21, 2008, 10:07:47 PM]
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2008, 10:07:47 PM »
I don't see the problem with people not knowing the exact definition of the word

Sometimes I don't know what some names in video games mean.. I can just look it up

that's not the game's problem
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  • [November 21, 2008, 10:11:13 PM]
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2008, 10:11:13 PM »
Dude, we're building the vocabulary of the people!  This is an important thing!
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  • [November 22, 2008, 01:01:22 AM]
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2008, 01:01:22 AM »
Arbalist sounds like artist. not scary.
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  • [November 22, 2008, 01:32:47 AM]
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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2008, 01:32:47 AM »
Let them prove themselves in battle then.

I mean, Priest doesn't exactly sound scary until they Holy you (or they're Catholic and you're a little boy...). Same with Dancer Nameless Dancing you into a Frog or Geomancer (geomancy exists in real life fyi) strangling you to death with Hell Ivy.

Very few of the classes sound intimidating, but the only one that fails to kick your ass is Bard, which is meant to be the ultimate support class anyway.

Speaking of "anyway", I agree with Dormin Jake on both grounds: they should be named Arbalist and they should use Charge (at least some of them, fuck +10 and +20).

Only problem with the latter is that Charge techniques can't mixed be with non-Charge techniques, right?
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  • [November 22, 2008, 06:23:51 AM]
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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2008, 06:23:51 AM »
Arbalist sounds most appropriate, but Charge is rather... boring, and can't be mixed with any other skills, therefore making it 1.0's Archers with double crossbows and a bit less speed, now to me, that doesn't sound too interesting. But we can still mix their skills up relatively well, there's quite a few skill slots let go for use now.
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