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Axes

Started by Argg0, October 08, 2007, 02:21:58 am

Argg0

October 08, 2007, 02:21:58 am Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Argg0
Well, Axes have been being the major problem.

We just can't find a way to make them useful.

We tried Double Strike... but it doesn't work correctly.

We are now thinking on Crush Punch or something chance on attack...

Still, these changes wouldn't make me grab an axe. I mean, sure having a chance to cast Crush Punch with 16 WP is nice, but the odds are that you won't see it.

On my squire SCC, I used Axe with one of my units from Miluda II to Lionel (first visit)... Power Break didn't kick in even once... I did however happen on play testing (aka, save state).

So, since we aparently can't remove the randomness, what should we do?

How about give lots of stuff to it? Like a Grand Cross or Parasite... but not statti. Damage stuff. Can we even do this? Each one having 25% to kick in and the being able to stack...

This other I doubt will be possible, but what if we give it the area attack like Triple Attack (from Hydra)? It would make a rather interesting multiplanel weapon and makes perfect sense for axes... :D

Asmo X

October 08, 2007, 06:08:55 am #1 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
Could axes ignore shield evasion or something? That can be their "thing".

Of course, I'm not confident that's even possible.

Or maybe they could be weapons that sacrifice one stat for another: Lower HP for increased PA, lower speed for increased MA, lower PA for increased speed.

Could they damage both HP and MP? Chance to cut the enemy's level by 1?

There are probably any number of things you could add to make them useful so long as they have some kind of niche.

Xifanie

October 08, 2007, 08:00:18 am #2 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
Well for them to pierce evasion would mean to make them gun, which Chemists and mediators can use. ;/

Give them a new formula, but they're very limited since you have to use general abilities formulas.

Axes with Holy Sword Formula = axes dealing constant WP * PA damage and 100% chance of inflicting any status you wish.

Normally it's 25% per status and the same goes with magic.

Sadly you cannot determine a new attack range using any ability. The game has 4 specific flags just for that, But I feel that's not enough.
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goldblade0

October 08, 2007, 10:03:43 am #3 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by goldblade0
I have an idea for axes.  Since the axes are heavy 2 handed ones how about they have a chance of breaking the opponents shield?
It'll be a good long time until someone flushes another guitar string.

Chrona

October 08, 2007, 10:11:51 am #4 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Is there a way to make them add Chicken for one turn? That would be fun =p
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VincentCraven

October 08, 2007, 10:45:17 am #5 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
I kinda like axes as they are now, though I must admit the Power Break hasn't kicked in yet for me...

Btw goldblade, axes are now 1-handed

Chicken, although I'm sure it would be fun, is just out right ridiculous.
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

Xifanie

October 08, 2007, 11:12:29 am #6 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
Slasher + 25% Shellbust Stab = Win

Chicken for one turn is no problem and even if it's such a odd idea, I want it. =D
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Chrona

October 08, 2007, 11:50:51 am #7 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Since at the beginning of the target's next turn s/he would turn back, it could be like a temporary Defense Down, for your second axe hit and whoever gets a turn before the enemy
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VincentCraven

October 08, 2007, 02:07:17 pm #8 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
We should do it. Who is in favor of Slasher w/ 25% Shellbust Stab, add: Chicken? I am.

It will look ridiculous though.
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Chrona

October 08, 2007, 02:45:16 pm #9 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Hehe sounds fun =D

Are axes TwoSwordsable?
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Xifanie

October 08, 2007, 03:28:53 pm #10 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
=o
You misunderstood. It's one or the other, not both.
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VincentCraven

October 08, 2007, 04:34:44 pm #11 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Oh, I'd prefer Shellbust Stab then.

And I don't believe axes are TwoSwordable, they are only TwoHandable.
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

Chrona

October 08, 2007, 07:28:55 pm #12 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Well you could probably add in a new axe, use that wasted sword since there were the 3 10WP weapons. Make it be like a Chicken Axe, and yeah...would work perfectly if axes were made to be 2Swords, first Chicken, then whack them with the Slasher. Don't make it a joke weapon like Nagrarok, possibly...10-12 WP? Or give it a bonus like 1+ PA
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Asmo X

October 08, 2007, 08:22:00 pm #13 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
I like the chicken idea myself but I don't really like the sound of them being 2 swordable.

two-swords is just thoughtless in a lot of ways. It's almost always the dominant choice for your character's setup. It'd be better to come up with some novel ideas that would make non 2S setups just as appealing to the player.

Chrona

October 08, 2007, 08:24:12 pm #14 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
But that's what would make Chicken most effective. Dunno really...
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Asmo X

October 08, 2007, 08:47:42 pm #15 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
But couldn't the same be said of all weapons that add statuses? You can't talk about boosting Chicken's effectiveness via 2-swords without starting a kind of ridiculous arms race towards overpowered weapon attributes. What else would be more effective if it were 2-swordsable, you know?

Chrona

October 08, 2007, 08:55:19 pm #16 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Yeah, guess so. The Chicken Axe still sounds like a fun idea though
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Asmo X

October 08, 2007, 09:14:45 pm #17 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
I'm all for the chicken axe. Here's hoping people would still want to use it instead of 2-Swordsing something else.

VincentCraven

October 08, 2007, 09:21:22 pm #18 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Geomancer ftw.
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

karsten

October 09, 2007, 02:16:18 am #19 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by karsten
how about giving the axe wielder inherent concentrate? can it be done?