Final Fantasy Hacktics

I'm currently working on Movement and Support Abilities hack.
If you have suggestions, post it here.
Compiled list of movements, supports and items rework :

Compiled list of support abilities
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4681/supportabilityrework.png)

Compiled list of equipment abilities :


(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9664/movementability1.png)

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8372/movementabilityclass.png) (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1680/movementabilityreasontl5.png)

Asm Hacks

Chance to get rare items (Default : 31/256 = 12.109375%)
BATTLE.BIN
Numerator : 0x1256E8 (Default : 31)
Denominator : 0x1256D8 (Default : 256)

Gained JP = 1
BATTLE.BIN
0x11794C change 21884300 to 01001134
Note : You can change 01 to any number.


Wall reduces all HP damage to 1
BATTLE.BIN
0x124AE2 change 0x40 to 0x42

0x124B88 change 00000000 to 154E0508

0xEC854
0A000210
00000000
1980023C
982D428C
5B004290
01004230
04000210
00000000
01000234
E52E0608
040062A4
E32E0608
00000000

AI attacks transparent unit v1.1
BATTLE.BIN
0x12FD66 change 0x40 to 0x00

JP scroll glitch fix v1.1
WORLD.BIN
0x3FACC change BE00A294 to D5010508

0x60754
BE00A294
2B205100
03000410
98000434
B67E0408
00000000
B57E0408
00000000

Special characters can do Propositions
WLDCORE.BIN
0xE834 change 0x4A to 0x04

Death Sentence - Ignore Cancel:Dead
BATTLE.BIN
0x11C240
10004230
05004014
20000234
280000A6

Increase Jump damage by 3/2 regardless of weapon
BATTLE.BIN
0x11EEC2 change 0x62 to 0x63

No Starting Items
SCUS_942.21
0x3322C change 05000234 to AA0A0108

Starting Money (2 bytes), default : 2000, max ammount : 65535
SCUS_942.21
0x33304 - 0x33305

Broken / stolen items can be bought back at Fur Shop
BATTLE.BIN
0x126470 change 00000000 to 224E0508

0xEC888
1980043C
982D848C
BA018490
02210400
0F008014
00000000
0D00A010
FF000434
0B00A410
00000000
0580043C
94948434
21208500
00008290
0001432C
02006014
00000000
FE000234
01004224
000082A0
1980023C
902D428C
1D350608
00000000

Katana's chance to break
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2536/katanapt7.png)

SCUS_942.21
0x543EC = Asura
0x543F4 = Koutetsu
0x543FC = Bizen Boat
0x54404 = Murasame
0x5440C = Heaven's Cloud
0x54414 = Kiyomori
0x5441C = Muramasa
0x54424 = Kikuichimoji
0x5442C = Masamune
0x54434 = Chirijiraden

Performing gain evasion and receive 150% damage from physical attack
BATTLE.BIN
0x11E444 change 0x09 to 0x08
0x11F3DC change 0x08 to 0x09

Potion Formula = Max(030,XX% Max HP)
Hi-Potion Formula = Max(070,YY% Max HP)
X-Potion Formula  = Max(150,ZZ% Max HP)
BATTLE.BIN
0x123284 change 902D638C to DE4D0508

Ex:
Max(030,25%) XX = 0x19
Max(070,33%) YY = 0x21
Max(150,50%) ZZ = 0x32

0xEC774
XXYYZZ00
1580033C
00346334
000064AC
040065AC
080066AC
1980043C
DB388490
0300852C
1100A010
00000000
1980063C
982DC68C
2A00C694
1580053C
7437A534
2128A400
0000A590
1800C500
12280000
64000434
1A00A400
12280000
2B204500
02008010
00000000
21100500
0000648C
0400658C
0800668C
1980033C
902D638C
A3280608
00000000

Transparent loses 100% accuracy bonus
BATTLE.BIN
0x11E4D0 change 0x10 to 0x00

No Random Battles
WLDCORE.BIN
0x2770A change 0x40 to 0x00

Defending reduces physical damage by 25%
BATTLE.BIN :
0x11F378 change 5B004290 to 4B4D0508
0x11E48A change 0x40 to 0x42

0xEC52C
21204000
58008390
02006330
03006014
5B008290
E0180608
00000000
CE382384
21106000
40100200
21104300
82100200
CE3822A4
982D228C
5B004290
E0180608
00000000

Wall reduces physical damage by 99%, duration : 1 turn
BATTLE.BIN
0x124AE2 change 0x40 to 0x42
0x11F3BC change 00000000 to D24D0508

0xEC748
5B006290
01004230
02004010
1980043C
CE3880A0
F0180608
00000000


Remove this part if you don't want Wall duration limited by 1 turn (limited by CT instead)
0x1267F0 change 00000000 to D94D0508
0xEC764
01000234
640002A2
FD350608
00000000

Float weak against Wind, Oil weak against Fire
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F464 change 982D428C to B74D0508

0xEC6DC
982D438C
5A006390
40006430
05008014
80006430
09008014
00000000
CF4D0508
00000000
F7384490
10008430
09008014
00000000
CF4D0508
00000000
F7384490
80008430
03008014
00000000
CF4D0508
00000000
CE384384
40180300
CE3843A4
982D428C
1B190608
00000000

Every monster is mountable
BATTLE.BIN
0x10D3E4 change 0x03 to 0x30

46 Undead Oracle is mountable
BATTLE.BIN
0x10D3D8 change 03000292 to 434D0508

0xEC50C
03000292
BAFF4224
03004010
03000292
F8D00508
00000000
FBD00508
00000000

No monster breeding
WORLD.BIN
0x45B6E change 0x40 to 0x42

Mighty Sword ignores equipment presence and hits monster
BATTLE.BIN
0x120A2C change 0xFF to 0xFE
0x120A8C change 0xFF to 0xFE
0x1209EE change 0x42 to 0x02

Selling items at Fur Shop costs 1/4 normal price
WORLD.BIN
0x4374C change 0x42 to 0x82

Buying items at Fur Shop costs 1 x normal price
WORLD.BIN
0x57A04 change 0x43 to 0x03

Formula 4E Dmg_(MA*Y) Hit(100)% becomes 4E Dmg_(MA*Y) Hit(MA+X)%
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F578 change 00000000 to 314D0508

0xEC4C4
F9382290
21104300
902D238C
2A0062A4
60190608
00000000

Formula 4D [Mutilate, Drain Touch]
4D AbsHP_(Y)% * MaxHP Hit_(MA+X)% NS becomes 4D AbsHP_(Y)% * Min(999,MaxHP) Hit_(MA+X)% NS

Formula 09 [Demi, Demi 2, Lich]
09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * MaxHP Hit_F(MA+X)% becomes 09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * Min(999,MaxHP) Hit_F(MA+X)%

Formula 10 [Life Drain, Drain]
10 AbsHP_(Y)% * MaxHP Hit_F(MA+X)% NS becomes 10 AbsHP_(Y)% * Min(999,MaxHP) Hit_F(MA+X)% NS
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F62C change 00000000 to FF4D0508

0xEC7FC
E803622C
02004014
00000000
E7030334
8D190608
00000000

Formula 4D [Mutilate, Drain Touch]
4D AbsHP_(Y)% * MaxHP Hit_(MA+X)% NS becomes 4D AbsHP_(Y)% * CurHP Hit_(MA+X)% NS

Formula 09 [Demi, Demi 2, Lich]
09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * MaxHP Hit_F(MA+X)% becomes 09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * CurHP Hit_F(MA+X)%

Formula 10 [Life Drain, Drain]
10 AbsHP_(Y)% * MaxHP Hit_F(MA+X)% NS becomes 10 AbsHP_(Y)% * CurHP Hit_F(MA+X)% NS
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F630 change 0x2A to 0x28

Poison damage from MaxHP/8 to CurrentHP/4
BATTLE.BIN
0x126800 change 0x2A to 0x28
0x12680C change 0xC2 to 0x82

Poison damage from MaxHP/8 to Min(999,MaxHP)/8
BATTLE.BIN
0x126804 change 1980033C to 054E0508
0x126808 change 902D638C to 00000000

0xEC814
E803432C
02006014
00000000
E7030234
1980033C
902D638C
03360608
00000000

Regen heal from MaxHP/8 to Min(999,MaxHP)/8
BATTLE.BIN
0x12682C change 1980033c to 0D4E0508
0x126830 change 902d638c to 00000000

0xEC834
E803432C
02006014
00000000
E7030234
1980033C
902D638C
0D360608
00000000

Soldier Office can rename any units (including humans and special characters)
WORLD.BIN
0x41205 change 0x011 to 0x15

Cannot recruit any soldier from Soldier Office
WORLD.BIN
0x584C6 change 0x43 to 0x03

Blade Grasp trigger : sword attack only
BATTLE.BIN
0x126054 change F6384290 to 5C4D0508
0x12605C change 0x10 to 0x20

0xEC570
D8384390
40200300
21208300
80200400
0680053C
2128A400
BD2EA590
FDFFA524
0100A52C
0300A014
F3384290
17340608
00000224
17340608
00000000

Max of X items per battle
BATTLE.BIN

Replace XX with amount of max items you want per battle
Replace YY with XX + 1

Ex : For 10 max items per battle,
XX = 0x0A
YY = 0x0B

0x11B864 change 21900000 to 6F4D0508
0x119ED4 change 44384294 to 8F4D0508

0xEC5BC
21900000
0580013C
D0972134
1580023C
AC354234
00002390
YY00642C
05008014
00000000
F6FF6324
XX000424
804D0508
00000000
21200300
21180000
804D0508
00000000
000024A0
000043A0
01002124
01004224
01005226
0E00442E
EDFF8014
00000000
1580033C
BB356334
000060A0
1980013C
21900000
1A0A0608
00000000

0xEC63C
1580023C
BB354290
21004014
00000000
1580023C
00344234
000044AC
040045AC
080046AC
21300000
0580023C
D0974234
1580033C
AC356334
00004490
00006590
21208500
6400852C
0200A014
00000000
63000424
000044A0
01004224
01006324
0100C624
0E00C42C
F3FF8014
00000000
01000424
1580023C
BB3544A0
1580023C
00344234
0000448C
0400458C
0800468C
1980023C
44384294
B7030608
00000000

Item innate all v1.1
BATTLE.BIN
0x11A4F0 change FF000234 to 374D0508

0xEC4DC
12006290
FAFF4224
06004010
13006290
FAFF4224
03004010
06000234
000002A2
01001026
FF000234
3D050608
00000000

Equip Change innate all
BATTLE.BIN
0x11A4DE change 0x40 to 0x20

Defend innate all v1.1
BATTLE.BIN
0x11A4CA change 0x40 to 0x20
0x1324D2 change 0x62 to 0x42

Defend Up innate all
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F2E6 change 0x40 to 0x20

Magic Defend Up innate all
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F336 change 0x40 to 0x20

Monster Skill innate all
BATTLE.BIN
0x11B5DE change 0x40 to 0x20

Secret Hunt innate all
BATTLE.BIN
0x120D8E change 0x40 to 0x20

Move Find Item innate all v1.1
BATTLE.BIN
0x1190B8 change 08000012 to 1C4D0508

0xEC470
1B004392
07006010
06004392
42190300
01006330
03006014
00000000
2F000608
00000000
37000608
00000000

Secret Hunt ability isn't needed to enter Fur Shop
WORLD.BIN
0x57166 change 0x40 to 0x20

Require Sword - Require Knight's Sword
SCUS_942.21
0x4CE68 change 0xFD to 0xFC
0x4CE6C change 0x02 to 0x01

Require Sword - Require Ninja Blade / Sword / Knight's Sword / Katana
SCUS_942.21
0x4CE68 change 0xFD to 0xFE
0x4CE6C change 0x02 to 0x04

Undead units receive 0 damage from all healing ability
BATTLE.BIN
0x120378 change 00000000 to 040060A4

Undead units receive 25% max HP damage from Phoenix Down
BATTLE.BIN
0x123334-0x123337 change 00000000 to 82100200

Undead units ignore Phoenix Down
BATTLE.BIN
0x123D22 change 0x42 to 0x02

Equip Crossbow - Equip Crossbow + Bow
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB08 change 0x10 to 0x18

Equip Crossbow - Equip Crossbow + Bow + Gun
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB08 change 0x10 to 0x38

Equip Gun - Equip Pole (Stick) + Bag + Cloth
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB54 change 0x4B to 0x4C
0x4CB5C change 0x20 to 0xE0
0x4CB60 change 0x4B to 0x4C

Equip Gun - Equip Robe
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB54 change 0x4B to 0x4D
0x4CB5C change 0x20 to 0x40
0x4CB60 change 0x4B to 0x4D

Equip Sword - Equip Sword + Knight's Sword
SCUS_942.21
0x4CAD0 change 0x10 to 0x18

Equip Sword - Equip Sword + Knight's Sword + Spear
SCUS_942.21
0x4CACB change 0x90 to 0x94
0x4CAD0 change 0x10 to 0x18
0x4CAD1 change 0x00 to 0x01
0x4CAD7 change 0xA0 to 0xA4

Equip Spear - Equip Rod + Staff + Instrument + Dictionary
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB1C change 0x4B to 0x4A
0x4CB1F change 0x90 to 0x94
0x4CB25 change 0x00 to 0x86
0x4CB28 change 0x4B to 0x4A
0x4CB2B change 0xA0 to 0xA4

Equip Knife - Equip Cloth(Dancer's Weapon)
SCUS_942.21
0x4CAE4 change 0x4A to 0x4C
0x4CAEC change 0x04 to 0x20
0x4CAF0 change 0x4A to 0x4C

Equip Knife - Katana + Ninja Blade
SCUS_942.21
0x4CAEC change 0x04 to 0x24

Equip Axe - Equip Axe + Flail
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB3B change 0x90 to 0x94
0x4CB41 change 0x00 to 0x40
0x4CB47 change 0xA0 to 0xA4

Equip Shield - Equip Rod + Staff
SCUS_942.21
0x4CAAC change 0x4C to 0x4A
0x4CAAF change 0x90 to 0x94
0x4CAB4 change 0x10 to 0x01
0x4CAB5 change 0x00 to 0x80
0x4CAB8 change 0x4C to 0x4A
0x4CABB change 0xA0 to 0xA4

Professor Daravon's Tutorial : Random Events
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5319/daravon01.png) (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4680/daravon02.png)

Screenshots :
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6285/reisandherpetbp2.png) (http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7740/transparentgw6.png) (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3992/mightyswordhq9.png)
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/6603/prerawstatee9.png) (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1592/phoenixdowntj7.png)   (http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1381/renameagriasnj6.png)
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8818/defendequipchangeinnatevn7.png)



[Pre-Raw Stat]
Ramza
SCUS_942.21
Gender             : 0x4A8A4 value 0x80 Male (0x80 = Male, 0x40 = Female, 0x20 = Monster)
Brave & Faith      : 0x4A914 value 0x46
Level              : 0x4A98C value 0x01 [Affect new recruit level at Soldier Office]
Min Pre-RawHP      : 0x4F124 value 0x1E
Min Pre-RawMP      : 0x4F125 value 0x0F
Min Pre-RawSp      : 0x4F126 value 0x06
Min Pre-RawPA      : 0x4F127 value 0x05
Min Pre-RawMA      : 0x4F128 value 0x05
Head               : 0x4F129 value 0x9D Leather Hat
Armor              : 0x4F12A value 0xBA Clothes
Accessory          : 0x4F12B value 0xD0 Battle Boots
Weapon             : 0x4F12C value 0x13 Broad Sword
Shield             : 0x4F12E value 0xFF <Nothing>
Pre-RawHP Variance : 0x4F146 value 0x02
Pre-RawMP Variance : 0x4F147 value 0x01
Pre-RawSp Variance : 0x4F148 value 0x00
Pre-RawPA Variance : 0x4F149 value 0x00
Pre-RawMA Variance : 0x4F14A value 0x00

Male
SCUS_942.21
Min Pre-RawHP      : 0x4F10C value 0x1E
Min Pre-RawMP      : 0x4F10D value 0x0E
Min Pre-RawSp      : 0x4F10E value 0x06
Min Pre-RawPA      : 0x4F10F value 0x05
Min Pre-RawMA      : 0x4F110 value 0x04
Pre-RawHP Variance : 0x4F13C value 0x02
Pre-RawMP Variance : 0x4F13D value 0x01
Pre-RawSp Variance : 0x4F13E value 0x00
Pre-RawPA Variance : 0x4F13F value 0x00
Pre-RawMA Variance : 0x4F140 value 0x00

Female
SCUS_942.21
Min Pre-RawHP      : 0x4F118 value 0x1C
Min Pre-RawMP      : 0x4F119 value 0x0F
Min Pre-RawSp      : 0x4F11A value 0x06
Min Pre-RawPA      : 0x4F11B value 0x04
Min Pre-RawMA      : 0x4F11C value 0x05
Pre-RawHP Variance : 0x4F141 value 0x02
Pre-RawMP Variance : 0x4F142 value 0x01
Pre-RawSp Variance : 0x4F143 value 0x00
Pre-RawPA Variance : 0x4F144 value 0x00
Pre-RawMA Variance : 0x4F145 value 0x00

Monster
SCUS_942.21
Min Pre-RawHP      : 0x4F130 value 0x23
Min Pre-RawMP      : 0x4F131 value 0x08
Min Pre-RawSp      : 0x4F132 value 0x05
Min Pre-RawPA      : 0x4F133 value 0x05
Min Pre-RawMA      : 0x4F134 value 0x05
Pre-RawHP Variance : 0x4F14B value 0x03
Pre-RawMP Variance : 0x4F14C value 0x01
Pre-RawSp Variance : 0x4F14D value 0x00
Pre-RawPA Variance : 0x4F14E value 0x01
Pre-RawMA Variance : 0x4F14F value 0x01


Ramza's Pre-RawStat
For more info about raw stats, please read FFT BMG.
I'll explain what I found about Pre-RawStat.

As we already know, Ramza has male raw PA (81920) and female raw MA (81920).
The game doesn't store Ramza's initial raw PA as 81920. They store it as 81920 / 16384 = 5.

So, for example, if you want to raise Ramza's starting level to 10,
you can't just change his level to 10.
If you do that, his raw stat still at level 1, which is horrible.

You must modify his raw stat. Since we can't modify his raw stat, we'll modify his pre-rawstat.
This is Ramza's stat growth and multiplier
HPC : 11
HPM : 125
MPC : 11
MPM : 105
SpC : 95
SpM : 107
PaC : 49
PaM : 111
MaC : 48
MaM : 102

Ramza's raw stat in level 10 :
HP : 65-69
RawHP : 860160 - 917497

MP : 25 - 27
RawMP : 401402 - 430070

PA : 6
RawPA : 96662

MA : 4
RawMA : 77569

Sp : 7
RawSp : 107520


Ok, so his RawPA is 96662 at level 10. You can calculate pre-rawstat with this formula :

Pre-RawStat = [RawStat / 16384]

His pre-RawPA at level 10 = 96662 / 16384 = 5.8997802734375
Well, now this lead to problem, since we can only enter integer value, it's 5 or 6 not 5.899
Let's see,
5 will lead his rawPA to 5*16384 = 81920
6 will lead his rawPA to 6*16384 = 98304

Since his normal rawPA at level 10 is 96662,
if we enter his pre-rawPA as 5, he will receive 96662 - 81920 = 14742 rawPA nerf.
if we enter his pre-rawPA as 6, he will receive 96662 - 98304 = 1642 rawPA bonus.

Ramza will get 1638 rawPA growth everytime he levels up, so 6 as pre-rawPA is the right value,
since 5 as his pre-rawPA will cause a huge rawPA nerf.


How to use Pre-RawStat to make females and males equal

FFT BMG quote

Quote
There are some consequences of the initial raw stat distribution:
- females gain more MP and MA on level up than males
- males gain more HP and PA on level up than females
- monsters gain more HP, PA, and MA than either human sex;
monsters gain less MP and Speed than either human sex (though the
Speed stat often rivals or exceeds humans because monster classes
tend to have lower C values for Speed than do human classes).

Ok, we already know that Female is better at magic and male is better at physical in FFT,
this is because there's a difference in their pre-rawStat.

(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2575/prerawstatex3.png)

If you raise male Knight from level 1 to 99, and compare it with female Knight,
male Knight will have 4 PA advantage, while female Knight will have 2 MA advantage.

If you raise male Wizard from level 1 to 99, and compare it with female Wizard,
female Wizard will have 4 MA advantage, while male Wizard will have 1 PA advantage.

This is why most people that do SCC pick male if they're using class that use physical attack,
and female if that class use magical attack.

I haven't talked about variance, according to FFT BMG, Monster's raw PA is randomized between 81,920 and 98,303
This is where we got the variance.
Monster's pre-rawPA Variance = (98304 - 81920) / 16384 = 1

To equally balance male and female, just set their pre-rawPA and pre-rawMA to be the same, 5.
Or change male pre-RawMA variance from 0 to 1, while keeping
their pre-rawMA to 4. This will make some males equal in term of magical attack to females, since
their rawMA is randomized between 65,536 - 81,920, instead of 65,536.
Females still better in term of rawMA, since their rawMA are 81,920

(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6029/prerawstat2tp6.png)

Credits go to
- Zodiac, for teaching me the basic of asm hack
- All people from Romhacking.net
- All FAQs for FFT at GameFaqs, especially FFT BMG and FFT GS Handbook by Aerostar, Aaditya Rangan, and Town Knave.
- Melonhead, the gameshark codes in FFTPatcher are really helpful.
- Codetwink.com, for providing lots of useful gameshark code.

posting in the best thread on FFH

great job

Beyond amazing!! There are a lot of things here many of us have been dreaming about. Thank you! ^_^


A question for you.
Can the 'Equip xxxxx' skills be given a new value that will completely change the weapon they allow?
For example 'Equip Sword' -> 'Equip Instrument' or 'Equip Axe' -> 'Equip Staff+Pole'.
Or would that require a more extensive modification?

nice...i really don't know what else to say. i will definitely be using some of these

Quote from: "Vanya"Beyond amazing!! There are a lot of things here many of us have been dreaming about. Thank you! ^_^


A question for you.
Can the 'Equip xxxxx' skills be given a new value that will completely change the weapon they allow?
For example 'Equip Sword' -> 'Equip Instrument' or 'Equip Axe' -> 'Equip Staff+Pole'.
Or would that require a more extensive modification?

It's possible, and only require little modification.
Added Equip Knife -> Equip Cloth (Dancer's Weapon)

Cool, thanks. ^_^

If you have time; are these requests reasonable?

Equip Sword -> Swords + Knight Swords + Spears

Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato + Poles + Bags

Equip Spear -> Rods + Staves + Instruments + Dictionaries

Equip Axe -> Axes + Flails + Cloths

Breaking bread in epic thread!

QuoteCannot recruit any soldier from Soldier Office
WORLD.BIN
0x584C6 change 0x43 to 0x03

Quote from: "razele"Credits go to
- Zodiac, for teaching me the basic of asm hack

I did? I don't remember :O

Pure w1n

I cannot thank you enough Razele.  This covers everything Asmo and I lacked for our patch, as far as I can tell.

Quote from: "Razele"Undead units ignore Phoenix Down
BATTLE.BIN
0x123D22 change 0x42 to 0x02

....

Dammit. Now I have the temptation to bring back Chemist since this was one of the biggest reasons I got rid of it and Chemist refuses to be anything else for some reason.

Curse you for this temptation!

(Also, can we just combine the two threads, Zodiac? Or change the title of one of them to something greatly dissimilar?)

yeah this is pretty sick. AI attacking transparent and the PD nerf against undead are crazy good

Just awesome.

Between this and Zodiac's ASM hacks, I'm definitely going to start playing around with the PSX version again.

Quote from: "Razele"Move Find Item innate all
BATTLE.BIN
0x1190BA change 0x00 to 0x01

this can be glitchy; if the monster isn't either of the squidlarkin, goblin, or skeleton varieties (i.e. type 1 or 2) the game will freeze if they walk over one of those trap/treasure tiles

dam ur so pro :0

i didn't know that... i thought anything could find item.. but i guess thats only when other monsters pick up chests...

also... monsters have access to "equip change" with that one active...

I don't get it. Can't one just use the patcher to achieve the same results?

Nope.

And the innate all's allow for more than 4 innates, just to point out.

Quote from: "BeoulveBlack"this can be glitchy; if the monster isn't either of the squidlarkin, goblin, or skeleton varieties (i.e. type 1 or 2) the game will freeze if they walk over one of those trap/treasure tiles

That's nice to know considering I gave some of my monsters Innate Move-Find Item. One of them was Goblin but I'm pretty sure the other one wasn't. I'll have to change that now I guess.

Quote from: "Zozma"also... monsters have access to "equip change" with that one active...

Now if only we could get the computer to use Equip Change (or Defend).  

Quote from: "Janis"I don't get it. Can't one just use the patcher to achieve the same results?

The only one that can achieved through just straight FFTPatcher is adding Innate [Insert R/S/M here] to everyone and everything, but a)that takes up space that can be saved as VincentCraven pointed out and b)that only works for Support and Movement abilities. If you manually try to add a Reaction to everyone, like say Weapon Guard, then that Reaction will overtake all other reactions that you try to equip always.

@ the damned:

yeah... that sux the ai wont use defend...
only if they are equipped with it....

Definitely epic.

If I had to make a request, it'd be an expansion of the request I made in the other thread. Basically, to have some of these changes more fully explained and expanded upon. Like the "Equip Sword" skill... if it weren't too much work, it'd be nice to simply have the different values usable to make it whatever we want (or at least an explanation of how to achieve this, for instance if each weapon value were listed, and then an explanation on how to mix-and-match them).

And that "Mighty Sword" hack... Is that simply a modification to the 2E formula (just curious)?

Wait so i could give everyone innate defend up and magic defence up? I want it!

I lovezors you razele.

- Fixed AI to properly use Defend with "Defend innate all" hack
- Restrict Move Find Item innate all for humans only
- Added Equip Sword - Equip Sword + Knight's Sword + Spear
- Added Equip Spear - Equip Rod + Staff + Instrument + Dictionary
- Added Defend Up innate all
- Added Magic Defend Up innate all

About Equip Change on AI, I don't know if AI really use Equip Change.
I give Agrias "Equip Change", removed all of her equipments, set her AI from "Fight for life" to "Run like a rabbit" but
she never uses "Equip Change" in battle.


Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato + Poles + Bags
Equip Axe -> Axes + Flails + Cloths
Not possible because of space limitation. Reasons :

1. Items are divided into 4 group

(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9620/itemgroupxi9.png)
I'll provide some example :

- It's possible to merge two adjacent group together, ex : Equip Gun -> Equip "Instrument + Book" (group 2) + "Shield + Hat" (group 3)
- It's not possible to merge two distant group, ex : Equip Sword -> Equip "Axe + Rod" (group 1) + "Bag + Armor" (group 3)
- It's possible to change one group to another group, ex : Equip Axe (group 1) -> Equip Shield + Helmet (group 3)
Because there's not enough space to write the asm instruction.

2. "Equip XXX" functions are located in SCUS_942.21
Since I don't have enough space to write asm code in SCUS_942.21, I have to use WORLD.BIN / BATTLE.BIN
BATTLE.BIN is only loaded in battle, so I have to pick WORLD.BIN.
I can write a jump instruction to WORLD.BIN and write a function to change "Equip Axe" to "Equip Axe + Flail + Cloth".
It will works fine in world map, but when you enter battle, the game will load BATTLE.BIN, not WORLD.BIN
Bad things will happen if you use "Equip Change", since the game know you have "Equip Axe", it will jump
to the address in WORLD.BIN, but WORLD.BIN isn't exist anymore in the memory.

These requests will be pending until Zodiac find the safe area to write asm code in SCUS_942.21

QuoteIf I had to make a request, it'd be an expansion of the request I made in the other thread. Basically, to have some of these changes more fully explained and expanded upon. Like the "Equip Sword" skill... if it weren't too much work, it'd be nice to simply have the different values usable to make it whatever we want (or at least an explanation of how to achieve this, for instance if each weapon value were listed, and then an explanation on how to mix-and-match them).

There's a few reason why I don't explain it in detail what I found :

1. Even without my explanations people with a bit asm language can find "Require Sword" check easily in the game under 5 minutes.
2. The documentation can be long, and I don't like to write a long pages.
3. You need asm knowledge to modify how things work in the game. Even after you read my explanation, it's still hard to implement the changes without a bit of asm knowledge.

To understand "Equip Sword" function you must know bitwise operation, which is a bit hard to explain.
I'll explain how I modify "Require Sword" to "Require Knight's Sword",
since "Require Sword" hack only require a bit explanation.


First, every item in the game is classified into a few types :

Item Type
0x00 Nothing
0x01 Knife
0x02 Ninja Blade
0x03 Sword
0x04 Knight Sword
0x05 Katana
0x06 Axe
0x07 Rod
0x08 Staff
0x09 Flail
0x0A Gun
...
There's more, you can see it in fftpatcher.

This is how the game check if an item is really a "sword" if "Require Sword" is checked in fftpatcher.
For example, we will use Defender. Defender is a 0x04 Knight Sword in item type.
The game subtract Defender's item type, 0x04 Knight Sword with 3 and check if the result < 2
0x04 - 3 = 1, so it is a "sword"

Let's check 0x01 Knife.
0x01 - 3 = -2.
-2 < 2 in signed mode, but the game check it in unsigned mode, so -2 become 65,534
65534 > 2, so it is not a "sword"

With a simple logic, you can modify "Require Sword" to "Require Knight Sword"
Just change the subtract modifier from 3 to 4 and check if the result < 1.
1. Let's check 0x03 Sword
0x03 - 4 = -1
-1 < 1 in signed mode, but the game check it in unsigned mode, so -1 become 65,535
65535 > 1, so it is not a "sword"

2. Let's check 0x04 Knight's Sword
0x04 - 4 = 0
0 < 1, so it is a "sword"


Well it's easy if I explain that in human language.
Unfortunately, to modify that in the game you must understand asm language.
This is how "Require Sword" works in asm :

0005c660:  lbu r2,0x2ebd(r1)     [load item type]
0005c664:  nop
0005c668:  addiu r2,r2,0xfffd    [decrease r2 by 3]
0005c66c:  sltiu r2,r2,0x0002    [check if r2 < 2, set r2 to 1]
0005c670:  beq r2,r0,0x0005c68c  [if r2 equal to zero, it's not a sword, jump to 0x5c68c]

After I modified "Require Sword" to "Require Knight's Sword"

0005c660:  lbu r2,0x2ebd(r1)     [load item type]
0005c664:  nop
0005c668:  addiu r2,r2,0xfffc    [decrease r2 by 4]
0005c66c:  sltiu r2,r2,0x0001    [check if r2 < 1, set r2 to 1]
0005c670:  beq r2,r0,0x0005c68c  [if r2 equal to zero, it's not a sword, jump to 0x5c68c]


QuoteAnd that "Mighty Sword" hack... Is that simply a modification to the 2E formula (just curious)?  

There's 2 Equipment check, to check whether you wear 0xFF Nothing, if yes, give 00% hit chance.
Monster wears 0x00 Nothing, since 0x00 Nothing is different than 0xFF nothing, Mighty Sword should work on monster,
but the game check if the target's gender is Male / Female / Monster. If it's monster, give 00% hit chance.

Quote from: "Kokojo"Wait so i could give everyone innate defend up and magic defence up? I want it!

I lovezors you razele.

Added Defend Up innate all and Magic Defend Up innate all

Thanks for the explanation and ASM hacks, dude! You rock! ^_^

Quote from: "Razele"- Fixed AI to properly use Defend with "Defend innate all" hack

....

I believe these lyrics explain my current feeling on the situation:


GALINDA:
What is this feeling,
So sudden and new?

ELPHABA:
I felt the moment
I laid eyes on you;

GALINDA:
My pulse is rushing;

ELPHABA:
My head is reeling;

GALINDA:
My face is flushing;

BOTH:
What is this feeling?
Fervid as a flame,
Does it have a name?
Yes! Loathing
Unadulterated loathing



Seriously, though, thank you so very much.

I'm curious how the computer uses Defend, though considering they can use it at every possible opportunity. That's something I've been a bit afraid of despite wanting the AI to be able to use Defend.

QuoteAbout Equip Change on AI, I don't know if AI really use Equip Change. I give Agrias "Equip Change", removed all of her equipments, set her AI from "Fight for life" to "Run like a rabbit" but
she never uses "Equip Change" in battle.

As with Defend, the computer has never been able to use Equip Change. Hence why I was winking at Zozma since it shouldn't be a problem that all monsters have Equip Change.

Also, thank you for the impromptu item lesson. I had been wondering why some item combinations were impossible.

Quote from: "Razele"Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato + Poles + Bags
Equip Axe -> Axes + Flails + Cloths
Not possible because of space limitation.

Are these Possible then?

Equip Axe -> Axes + Flails
Equip Crossbow -> Crossbows + Bows + Guns
Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato
Equip Gun -> Poles + Bags + Cloths

I guess I should explain what I'm doing since I'm going to bother you with another request.
My hack is going to include a special job called 'Freelancer'. The freelancer is my repository job so that other jobs don't have to have skill slots used up with common stuff. They are built off of the Chemist so they come with all the Item skills for free and can be used to learn all 6 weapon equip skills. That's why I'm trying to get all weapon types except knives into 6 skills.

Once again, Thank You for all your help! ^_^

PS- I was wondering if it would be difficult to make an 'Innate All' hack where all units get a specific skill set added to their action menu below 'Equip Change'? Basically I was thinking of trying to give all units a new 'Items' command so I could use the Chemist job for something else entirely. I'm just curious at this point since I was satisfied with my Freelancer job as a good alternative. Thanks again again! ^_^

is this one complicated?

make it so the  "monster" gender doesnt disable equipping items.

currently you can make a monster equipped with an item in entd editor.. and they will have the item in the menu and when u select "reequip" but the item doesnt show in battle nor does its affects work....

I'd like to know that too because it probably also has a link to the Mime job not being able to equip item. ^_^

QuoteAre these Possible then?

Equip Axe -> Axes + Flails
Equip Crossbow -> Crossbows + Bows + Guns
Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato
Equip Gun -> Poles + Bags + Cloths

If I understand this correctly, I know two of these

Equip Crossbow -> Crossbows + Bows + Guns
SCUS_942.21
0x4CB08   0x10 change to 0x38

Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato
SCUS_942.21
0x4CAEC   0x04 change to 0x24

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I got how these work, at least for staying in the same column.

Also, if you have the time for another equip request Razele, could you do Equip Shield -> Rod + Staff please?

I'm going to put Shield in with Equip Armor in what I'm working on, so I plan on using Equip Shield for caster weapons, since none of them have equip skills.

- Added Equip Axe - Equip Axe + Flail
- Added Equip Crossbow - Equip Crossbow + Bow + Gun
- Added Equip Knife - Equip Katana + Ninja Blade
- Added Equip Gun - Equip Pole (Spear) + Bag + Cloth
- Added Equip Shield - Equip Rod + Staff
- Added Item innate all
- Added Formula 4E Dmg_(MA*Y) Hit(100)% becomes 4E Dmg_(MA*Y) Hit(MA+X)%

QuoteI'm curious how the computer uses Defend, though considering they can use it at every possible opportunity. That's something I've been a bit afraid of despite wanting the AI to be able to use Defend.

Defend is the best possible action when they're not doing any useful actions.
Unless we give AI some restriction, they will use it most of the time.

Quoteis this one complicated?

make it so the "monster" gender doesn't disable equipping items.

currently you can make a monster equipped with an item in entd editor.. and they will have the item in the menu and when u select "reequip" but the item doesn't show in battle nor does its affects work....

It's complicated, and the game doesn't use gender to determine whether an unit can set equipment or not. It uses Job ID.
Before the game check whether a unit can wear equipment or not the game read lots of useless
variable, like HP Multiplier, Innate, and do lots of useless stuff. That useless function hide the real function that
determine whether an unit can set equipment or not. Also, there's two possibilities how the game check whether an unit
can set equipment or not.

1. If Job ID is in range 0x3C..0x49 and 0x5D..0x9F, disable EQ change.
2. There's a variable stored in each Job that determine whether that Job can change EQ / Abilities.

The best example for this case is 0x3D Knight. Although they can wear several EQ (Sword, Knight Sword, Armor, etc),
the game doesn't allow you to set their Abilities / Equipments.

so if i specifically want to make job 46 able to equip + mountable?

Thanks again for the edits Razele! You rock, dude! ^_^

Quote from: "Razele"- Added Equip Gun - Equip Pole (Spear) + Bag + Cloth

Is this "Pole + Polearm + Bag + Cloth" or "Polearm + Bag + Cloth" or "Pole + Bag + Cloth"?
The way you wrote it is a tad confusing.

Edit:
Wait! Formula 4E didn't work the way it said in the patcher?

Thanks a bunch Razele. I understand that some explanations would be quite difficult... I was pretty much just wondering what you've now answered. That's a really odd method they use for checking for a sword (a little drawn out for what should be a single line of code).

@Vanya: He must have meant "Pole + Bag + Cloth", since that's the only combination where all three are in the same group, and he stated earlier that the Equip abilities can currently only use types from one group at a time (until he figures out where he could safely write extensions to this).

No they can be pairs of adjacent groups too. I was looking at the changes and I think it's "Polearm + Bag + Cloth".
I'm trying to see if I can change Polearm to Pole, but I don't think I understand the relation between the hex and the ASM well enough.

My hero! Thank you Razele! That makes the Invoker a complete class! Well done, sir! Well done! With that, every basic class is finished, by basic I mean... Knight, Archer, Invoker, Cantor, for this demo... Also, quite interesting work for the other Equip X, you're really making them extremely versatile!

I discovered a small problem when Innate Item All, Innate Defend All, and Innate Equip Change All are used at the same time.

If all three are active and the unit has 2 skill sets the menu's graphics glitch on the bottom half of the last command on the list.

Also, I noticed that if the unit is a chemist they have Item listed twice.

hmm i didnt do the "item all" thing but did equip change all and defend all and those two have no problems

It's not a problem with them directly. If you have too much stuff on the menu it glitches the graphics 'cause it wasn't programmed to handle that many lines of text.

Also, I have an idea for the double Item problem.
I tested some stuff out. And because of the way that the game handles the Mime job it is a perfect place to put the Item skill set. The game won't display the mime's skill set even if it has auto-learned skills in it.

The only problem is that the mime won't record skills learned on the menu; only those it started with. Also, if it has skills available to learn the player can enter the lean skill screen. If the mime could be forced to learn all the skills in it's set automatically and block the learn option completely it would be perfect. It would house the item skills & still function perfectly as a mime. Plus if the mime's normal options, except the ability to learn skills, were unlocked it could house the Item set and be more useful as an Onion Knight or Freelancer.

Thank you very much Razele.

- Fixed Equip Gun - Equip Pole (Stick) + Bag + Cloth
- Fixed Item innate all to show once with Chemist
- Added Every monster is mountable + screenshot

Quoteso if i specifically want to make job 46 able to equip + mountable?

In other words, I haven't found out how to make monster equip items.
Instead of 0x46 job id 0x38 can equip Items

Riding a monster give you several status immunities.
It's almost the same as Zodiac status immunities, except for Crystal, Dead, Faith, Innocent, Charm.

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9361/ridergainstatusimmunitycs5.png)

If you ride a monster, the monster also cured from the following status :
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/377/monsterstatuscuredau7.png)

Credits to Notti for the original information.

I once tested riding other monsters just by swapping the chocobo sprite but it doesnt look very good. The Chocobo seems to be a 2 part sprite where if you rode it and looked at it from behind, the rider, if i remember correctly, would then be behind the tail feathers but in front of the head. If you use other sprites, you'll notice that the rider is just always behind the mount which looks kind of dumb, especially when you look at it from behind. I wonder if the other sprites could be made in the same format as the chocobo.

Anyway, good hacks.

Maybe if you re drew them all using the chocobo as a template and changed all their spite types to chocobo?

Anyhow, once again a thanks and a cheers to Razele, weaver of ASM dreams!! To, Razele!!

Quote from: "Razele"In other words, I haven't found out how to make monster equip items.
Instead of 0x46 job id 0x38 can equip Items

yes, but.... if his gender is set to monster it will disable this right?

plus if his equipment is not sealed isnt that also linked to the fact that he would be able to change jobs too?

also... at what point do jobs become "sealed" meaning they cant change jobs? i always assumed that after a certain point they were all sealed but i donno which number. but if job 38 can equip items in the menu then it can change jobs... that would mean its not useable as the special choco.. thats why i chose 46

Quote from: "Razele"- Added Item innate all.

...Curse your constant temptations.

I'm rather curious about this, though. Not because I would utilize it (well, I might, but items would likely have to be greatly overhauled in addition to being accompanied by that lovely "Undead give Phoenix Down the finger" ASM hack), but it seems like it might be related to several problems we've been having: giving Item (or Throw) to as abilities to other jobs sets and being able to change Item, Throw, Jump, Geomancy & Draw Out.

I really need to start getting into stuff outside of FFTPatcher. I feel so useless.

yo raz, since there were a few glitches in the first place would you be able to fix these glitches?

Jp Scroll Glitch

Duplicate Weapon glitch

i especially want the dupe weapon glitch fixed because a big part of my game is making money scarce for a while.

Would be nice to see a fix for the JP Scroll glitch. Sometimes while playing, it's really hard to resist the temptation... LOL. Though I usually only do it for Chemist, because I'm used to pretty much every other game allowing access to whatever items you may have. And I rarely use items either way, so it's not a big deal for me.

i've never tried to use the glitch for jp but i did dupe Knight swords and rare katana's with the sword dupe glitch.

which i dont want you to be able to do in my game bcause then you could sell them, and money isn't supposed to be as easy to come by in my patch. shop selling price is cut to 1/4 the norm to try to make it a waste to sell stuff..

- Added JP scroll glitch fix
- Added Selling items at Fur Shop cost 1/4 normal price
- Added Buying items at Fur Shop cost 1 x normal price

Quoteyes, but.... if his gender is set to monster it will disable this right?

No. I set Ramza's gender as monster and he still able to equip items, abilities and change job. Job ID number (0x01 Squire, 0x05 Holy Knight, 0x06 Arc Knight)  is the one that disable equipment change, class change, etc).

Quotealso... at what point do jobs become "sealed" meaning they cant change jobs?

I don't know, see my theory in my previous post about equipment. I assume the same goes to Abilities, Items, and Change Job restriction.

Quotewhich i dont want you to be able to do in my game bcause then you could sell them, and money isn't supposed to be as easy to come by in my patch. shop selling price is cut to 1/4 the norm to try to make it a waste to sell stuff..

If you changed Shop sells price to 1/4 normal price, then you should change Fur Shop price too.
Fur Shop sold items at 1/2 normal price and if you bought anything from Fur Shop, it cost half the normal price.

A few note about JP Scroll Glitch :

QuoteQuote From TheDan's FAQ :
And here's the trick: If the ability the cursor is now pointing to
a) costs more JP than you currently have (ie, it's "dimmed out" )
OR
b) it has already been learned

JP Scroll glitch method B is easier to fix, and doesn't need extra space, but method A needs extra space to fix.
That's why I use extra space in WORLD.BIN
This fix should eliminate instant 9999 JP gain from JP scroll glitch.

Once again we are amazed by your ASM skill. Thank you again! ^_^

Quote from: "Razele"

Quoteyes, but.... if his gender is set to monster it will disable this right?

No. I set Ramza's gender as monster and he still able to equip items, abilities and change job. Job ID number (0x01 Squire, 0x05 Holy Knight, 0x06 Arc Knight)  is the one that disable equipment change, class change, etc).

So is there a table that the game's code checks to disable certain things?

Does this mean that "fixing" the Mime job is as simple as finding where the game checks for the Mime's job ID and disabling the check?


I have another request that you might find interesting to execute. ^_^
Can you make defending status reduce physical damage received by say 1/4 instead of increasing evade by 2x?

I think may of us would like to have a defending status that actually works like in every other Final Fantasy. Thanks! ^_^

sweet thx for the job 46 fix and jp scroll thing :( )

uh oh... i just tried hellcry punch on a character with innate maintinance and it missed completely

Oh well, I made a JP scroll glitch fix too.
It was a bit trickier than I expected because I didn't want to remove the page scrolling.

In the end I was just too lazy to add it somewhere on the forum or the wiki.

by the way how does your version works? Mine doesn't require extra space and prevents the cursor for moving; yet still allows page scrolling while learning an ability.
So you can scroll down/up all you want the cursor will stay on the same ability and will learn THAT one.

Hey Razele,

Do you know how to disable monster egg making?

I want to get rid of them because I cannot set their brave/faith or their Zodiac compatibility.

Let me know if you know of a solution.

I like the sound of Zodiac's fix better... ;)

- Added no monster breeding
- Added defending reduces physical damage by 25%

Quoteby the way how does your version works?

I change

AvailableJP = AvailableJP - AbilityJPCost

to

if (AbilityJPCost <= AvailableJP)
  AvailableJP = AvailableJP - AbilityJPCost



Okay, let's say we fight against Level 99 Rofel 1.3 with 21 PA and Chaos Blade.
Let's calculate how much damage can be reduced if we use Protect + Defend + Defense Up and Rofel hit you with Chaos Blade,
assuming you and Rofel have neutral compatibility :

(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5147/physicaldamagereductioncf2.png)

Thanks for that monster breeding fix in partiuclar. Vincent and I needed that.

I don't know how difficult this might be, but I was wondering if it would be possible to make changes to some status effects. Could Berserk, for instance, be temporary and allow player control? Also, I was wondering if it would be possible to make it so that the only penalty for being a frog is that one takes more damage. So skills would still be usable and the "frog attack" (PA*br/100) is removed so that attacks do damage consistent with their human forms. Finally, could petrify be made temporary? I tested this and berserk a while ago and it can't be done with the patcher. Thanks

Wow, I'm impressed.  Thank you Razele!

Thanks again, Raz! You're the man! ^_^

Edit: One small problem with the Defend hack. My BATTLE.BIN file ends at 0x155167. I have the US version of the ISO.

1.3 Rofel hits harder than that.. he has innate ATTACK UP

it's more like 670 damage

anyway great job on the Defending

will deffo include that in 1.3

yo razele

Defending reduces physical damage by 25%
BATTLE.BIN :
0x18646C change 5B004290 to 4B4D0508
0x11E48A change 0x40 to 0x42


???

0x18646C

???

I can't see past

0x155160 on the FFT battle.BIN

Spoke with Zodiac about it, shouldn't it be:


0x11F46C change 5B004290 to 4B4D0508 ???

0x11E48A change 0x40 to 0x42

0xEC52C
21204000
58008390
02006330
03006014
5B008290
E0180608
00000000
CE382384
21106000
40100200
21104300
82100200
CE3822A4
982D228C
5B004290
E0180608
00000000

I tried looking for this "5B004290" and it was nowhere to be found.

Quote from: "Vanya"I tried looking for this "5B004290" and it was nowhere to be found.

It's here:

0x11F46C


However I tested it and it doesn't work.. so something's up

You've been had!

Razele, i have a request for you. I wish to have no random battle, is it possible ? Thanks.
No need to do it now, but that would be cool.

- Fixed Blade Grasp to trigger against sword attack only

QuoteEdit: One small problem with the Defend hack. My BATTLE.BIN file ends at 0x155167. I have the US version of the ISO.

QuoteSpoke with Zodiac about it, shouldn't it be:
0x18646C change 5B004290 to 4B4D0508 ???

Fixed. I paste the wrong address. It is for memory address.

Defending reduces physical damage by 25%
BATTLE.BIN :
0x11F378 change 5B004290 to 4B4D0508
0x11E48A change 0x40 to 0x42

0xEC52C
21204000
58008390
02006330
03006014
5B008290
E0180608
00000000
CE382384
21106000
40100200
21104300
82100200
CE3822A4
982D228C
5B004290
E0180608
00000000

Quote1.3 Rofel hits harder than that.. he has innate ATTACK UP

You mistake Rofel for Vormav. Vormav has innate Attack Up in 1.3, but Rofel doesn't have it.
(http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8084/divineknightyw2.png)

QuoteFinally, could petrify be made temporary

Every time your unit is hit with a few status, like regen, there's a counter,
and the counter is decreased every "clocktick" by one, until zero.
See the memory address below :

Status #1              0x1926E4
Status #2              0x1926E5
Status #3              0x1926E6
Status #4              0x1926E7
Status #5              0x1926E8
Counter Poison         0x1926E9
Counter Regen          0x1926EA
Counter Protect        0x1926EB
Counter Shell          0x1926EC
Counter Haste          0x1926ED
Counter Slow           0x1926EE
Counter Stop           0x1926EF
Counter Wall           0x1926F0
Counter Faith          0x1926F1
Counter Innocent       0x1926F2
Counter Charm          0x1926F3
Counter Sleep          0x1926F4
Counter Don't Move     0x1926F5
Counter Don't Act      0x1926F6
Counter Reflect        0x1926F7
Counter Death Sentence 0x1926F8


There's no storage area for status other than Poison - Death Sentence.
This makes things a bit complicated, since I have to move the counter for status X to other place.
Also, since the game never intend to make other status have counter, I have to reset the unit condition manually
after he is freed from that status (ex : unit with petrify status will have grey color, his CT is stopped, etc).

Short answer : It's not impossible, but not as easy as other hack.

That's ok, don't worry about it

Thanks for the quick update!

QuoteYou mistake Rofel for Vormav. Vormav has innate Attack Up in 1.3, but Rofel doesn't have it.

EDIT: You're right, my bad

gonna go test it now

I'm curious about the Defending patch. Does it sacrifice the double evasion to allow for the 25% reduction of physical damage?

Quote from: "The Damned"I'm curious about the Defending patch. Does it sacrifice the double evasion to allow for the 25% reduction of physical damage?

Yes. Evasion bonus is removed with this ASM hack.


@ Razele: Tested, works perfectly. Thanks again.

Ah, I speculated as much after I saw you mention it the first time. I just wanted confirmation.

Normally I would find the change of such an otherwise useful function troubling, but considering I'm likely going to use the Innate Weapon Guard and Global C-EV patch among others (and this is different yet still equally useful function), this particular patch actually helps me (and others) quite a bit in conjunction with those.

Thank you Razele (though I am still curious about the Item thing I asked earlier when you get the chance).

Hey Razele,

Is it possible to put a lower cap on the number of items that can be held at a time?

Like instead of being 99, only be able to carry 10 Potions and 10 Phoenix Downs, etc.?

Asmo and I are trying to avoid nearly limitless sandbagging by the player.

Since VincentCraven brings it up, I'm curious if there's a way to limit the AI's items as well.

Thanks, a lot, Raz! You are definitely helping to perfect FFT hacking! ^_^

I would also like to inquire about item stock limitations. Both Vincent & Damned bring up good ideas.

Is it possible to alter an ability (like the unused Silent Walk) so that it has an effect like FFTA/A2's Monkey Grip (allows you to hold a two-handed weapon in one hand)?

razele

is it possible to make it so "Float" status includes being weak to Wind?

Sorry, another request. It looks like transparent units can get hit themselves 100% of the time. Any way of letting them keep evasion while they are transparent?

- Added X items limit / battle
Longest asm hack I wrote so far. Took 15% of free space from BATTLE.BIN

10 max items limit per battle example :
Before battle, you have 99 Potions, 6 Hi-Potions and 50 X-Potions
In battle, you will have 10 Potions, 6 Hi-Potions and 10 X-Potions
You use 5 Potions, 2 Hi-Potions and 10 X-Potions in battle.
After battle, you will have 94 Potions, 4 Hi-Potions and 40 X-Potions

QuoteI'm curious about the Defending patch. Does it sacrifice the double evasion to allow for the 25% reduction of physical damage?

No, I don't sacrifice the original Defending code. If you want Defending to reduce physical attack by 25% and double your evasion,
don't change 0x40 to 0x42, keep it as 0x42.

QuoteIs it possible to alter an ability (like the unused Silent Walk) so that it has an effect like FFTA/A2's Monkey Grip (allows you to hold a two-handed weapon in one hand)?

It's not possible, same reason as Equip Knife -> Katana + Ninjato + Poles + Bags

QuoteSince VincentCraven brings it up, I'm curious if there's a way to limit the AI's items as well.

It's not possible, too complicated.
I have to make AI take another best action, if their Potion / Phoenix Down is run out, which is not possible.

Quoteis it possible to make it so "Float" status includes being weak to Wind?

Yeah, this one is possible. I will merge this hack with Oil fix to save space.

QuoteSorry, another request. It looks like transparent units can get hit themselves 100% of the time. Any way of letting them keep evasion while they are transparent?

It's already done before.

Transparent lose 100% hit rate
BATTLE.BIN
0x11E4D0 change 0x10 to 0x00

O_O

"Ask, and ye shall receive."

O_O

Edit: I inquired about Transparent hack too, but Voldemort phrased it better

It's already done before.

Transparent lose 100% hit rate
BATTLE.BIN
0x11E4D0 change 0x10 to 0x00

I think I'm getting confused with how you worded this.

Does that mean that Transparent units lose their 100% accuracy bonus?

or that Transparent units re-gain their Evasion while Transparent?

Quote from: "Asmo X"Sorry, another request. It looks like transparent units can get hit themselves 100% of the time. Any way of letting them keep evasion while they are transparent?

(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1253/scus9422119012009011934vh2.png) (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5194/scus9422119012009012439pg2.png)
Are you sure ? There's no change in hit rate when I hit Agrias, in transparent status or not.

QuoteI think I'm getting confused with how you worded this.

Does that mean that Transparent units lose their 100% accuracy bonus?

or that Transparent units re-gain their Evasion while Transparent?

I assume Asmo wants Transparent units lose their 100% accuracy bonus.

As far as Asmo told me, those pictures confirm what he wanted: Transparent units to be able to evade.

Yeah thanks. That settles that. Moving on.

I'm very impressed by the item limit hack. Bravo! ^_^

I have one for the Transparent status that might make it more in line with the FF6 version of it. Could you make transparent units have 0% evade when being targeted by magic?

And I have another that might make an interesting challenge for you. Could you make the 'Wall' status last only one turn and only block physical attacks & skills? Basically, make 'Wall' act like 'Defending' but have reduce physical damage by 100%.

Thanks for all of your awesome hacks! ^_^

I wasn't able to contact you on IRC so I'll ask it here.

I haven't been able to figure this yet  but I need to find how the game knows the next location for the next storyline event.

This is the only info I have so far:
0x800578D4 Next storyline event
0x8009F254 Current World Map location

- Float status weak against Wind
- Oil status weak against Fire

QuoteI wasn't able to contact you on IRC so I'll ask it here.

I haven't been able to figure this yet but I need to find how the game knows the next location for the next storyline event.

This is the only info I have so far:
0x800578D4 Next storyline event
0x8009F254 Current World Map location

Need more info about it, like city / battle list.

Important note regarding space limitation in BATTLE.BIN :
To write custom asm hack (ex : Defending hack, max items per battle, etc ) I require space in BATTLE.BIN
According to Zodiac, the safe area to write custom asm instruction in BATTLE.BIN : 0xEBD54 - 0xECB8B (3,640 bytes)
From that space, I only take half of them, 0xEC470 - 0xECB8B (1,820 bytes)
0xEBD54 -  0xEC46F is reserved for other member, like Zodiac or SentinelBlade.
And, I already use 728 bytes, or 40% of the space.
If one custom asm hack requires 10 asm instruction, or 40 bytes, that means we have 27 asm hacks left.
Not all asm hack requires additional space in BATTLE.BIN, some simple asm hack like "Every monster is mountable", or
"Equip Spear - Equip Rod + Staff + Instrument + Dictionary" doesn't eat space in BATTLE.BIN

This is extremely low priority, but I've always been curious about this:

When a mime mimics a spell, and it triggers Critical Quick, the unit's CT is set to 154.  And its only under these circumstances, as far as I know.  Otherwise its the standard 100 CT.  Any insight as to the cause?

I thought it might have been impossible. May I ask then is it possible to make Hamedo trigger against monster attacks?

Quote from: "Dominic NY18"I thought it might have been impossible. May I ask then is it possible to make Hamedo trigger against monster attacks?

IIRC AFAIK you can already do that by changing the monster attack / skill's formula to a weapon formula

^ ^

might be wrong tho

QuoteWhen a mime mimics a spell, and it triggers Critical Quick, the unit's CT is set to 154. And its only under these circumstances, as far as I know. Otherwise its the standard 100 CT. Any insight as to the cause?

Based on my testing, Quick / Critical Quick set unit's CT to 255, not 100.
That's why unit with Quick get first priority other than unit with 100 CT.
I also test this with mimicked spell, and it still set CT as 255, not 154.

I don't know about 154 CT, since I never experience that case, but it's probably because of overflow.
CT is 1 byte, and 1 byte limit = 255.

QuoteQuick / Critical Quick set unit's CT to 255, not 100.

Hm.

CT rolls over -- a unit with 102 CT who acts and moves is then set to 2 CT.  Wouldn't 200+ CT result in a double turn?

Quote from: "Razele"Important note regarding space limitation in BATTLE.BIN :
To write custom asm hack (ex : Defending hack, max items per battle, etc ) I require space in BATTLE.BIN
According to Zodiac, the safe area to write custom asm instruction in BATTLE.BIN : 0xEBD54 - 0xECB8B (3,640 bytes)
From that space, I only take half of them, 0xEC470 - 0xECB8B (1,820 bytes)
0xEBD54 -  0xEC46F is reserved for other member, like Zodiac or SentinelBlade.
And, I already use 728 bytes, or 40% of the space.
If one custom asm hack requires 10 asm instruction, or 40 bytes, that means we have 27 asm hacks left.
Not all asm hack requires additional space in BATTLE.BIN, some simple asm hack like "Every monster is mountable", or
"Equip Spear - Equip Rod + Staff + Instrument + Dictionary" doesn't eat space in BATTLE.BIN

Well, if you do happen to run out of space, feel free to make use of my designated area (0x000EAF1C - 0x000EBD53).  I have thus far only modified formulae and pre-existing hacks, so if you happen to need a few more hacks after running out, it's there.

QuoteWell, if you do happen to run out of space, feel free to make use of my designated area (0x000EAF1C - 0x000EBD53). I have thus far only modified formulae and pre-existing hacks, so if you happen to need a few more hacks after running out, it's there.

Ok, thanks.
I don't know there's other safe space area beside mine.
Zodiac, which area do you use in BATTLE.BIN ?
Is there any other safe area in BATTLE.BIN ?

Quote from: "philsov"Hm.

CT rolls over -- a unit with 102 CT who acts and moves is then set to 2 CT.  Wouldn't 200+ CT result in a double turn?

No. The game apply normalization to the unit's CT :

If CT equal to 255 , set CT to 0
Else CT = CT - ([CT / 100] * 100)]

199 CT will lead to double turn, but 200 CT won't.

Examples :

CT       = 250
Final_CT = 250 - ([250 / 100] * 100)
         = 250 - (2           * 100)
         = 250 - 200
         = 50

CT       = 199
Final_CT = 199 - ([199 / 100] * 100)
         = 199 - (1           * 100)
         = 199 - 100
         = 99

CT       = 102
Final_CT = 102 - ([102 / 100] * 100)
         = 102 - (1           * 100)
         = 102 - 100
         = 2

CT       = 200
Final_CT = 200 - ([200 / 100] * 100)
         = 200 - (2           * 100)
         = 200 - 200
         = 0
       

In Math :

Unit's current CT = 250

CT0  = $FA [250]

CT1  = CT0 * $51eb851f
CT1  = $FA * $51eb851f
CT1  = $5000000046

       Hi Lo
CT1  = 50 00000046


CT1  = Hi
CT1  = $50 [80]

CT1  = [80 / 32]
CT1  = 2

CT2 = CT1 * 2
    = 2   * 2
    = 4 + CT1
    = 4 + 2
    = 6

CT2 = CT2 * 8
    = 6   * 8
CT2 = 48

CT2 = CT2 + CT1
    = 48  + CT1
    = 48  + 2
    = 50

CT2 = CT2 * 4
    = 50  * 4
    = 200

Final CT = CT0 - CT2
         = 250 - 200
         = 50

This is how the game normalize the CT, in asm.
Current CT = 199

00182ac8: >nop                            

r2=0x000000c7  [Current CT = 199]
r23=0x000000ff [255]
00182acc:  bne r2,r23,0x00182adc           [Check if Current CT equal to 255, if no, jump to 0x182adc]
00182ad0:  lui r2,0x51eb                  
00182ad4:  j 0x00182b0c                    
00182ad8:  sb r0,0x0039(r17)               [Current CT equal to 255, set CT to 0]
00182adc:  ori r2,r2,0x851f                
r2=0x51eb851f

r19=0x000000c7 [199]
00182ae0:  andi r4,r19,0xffff              [ r4 = r19         ]
r4=0x000000c7  [199]                       [ r4 = 199         ]

r2=0x51eb851f
r4=0x000000c7
00182ae4:  multu r4,r2                     [r4*r2, store the high byte in hi, low byte in lo]
hi=0x0000003f
lo=0xae147b19

00182ae8:  mfhi r3                         [ r3 = hi          ]
r3=0x0000003f [63]                         [    = 63          ]

00182aec:  srl r3,r3,0x05                  [ r3 = r3 / 32     ]
r3=0x00000001                              [    = 63 / 32     ]
                                           [    = 1           ]

00182af0:  sll r2,r3,0x01                  [ r2 = r3 * 2      ]
r2=0x00000002                              [ r2 = 1  * 2      ]
                                           [ r2 = 2           ]

00182af4:  addu r2,r2,r3                   [ r2 = r2 + r3     ]
r2=0x00000003                              [ r2 =  2 + 1      ]
                                           [ r2 =  3          ]  

00182af8:  sll r2,r2,0x03                  [ r2 = r2 * 8      ]
r2=0x00000018 [24]                         [ r2 =  3 * 8      ]
                                           [ r2 =  24         ]

00182afc:  addu r2,r2,r3                   [ r2 = r2 + r3     ]
r2=0x00000019 [25]                         [ r2 = 24 + 1      ]
                                           [ r2 = 25          ]

00182b00:  sll r2,r2,0x02                  [ r2 = r2 * 4      ]
r2=0x00000064 [100]                        [ r2 = 25 * 4      ]
                                           [ r2 = 100         ]

r4=0x000000c7
r2=0x00000064
00182b04:  subu r4,r4,r2                   [ r4 = r4   - r2  ]
r2=0x00000063                              [ r4 = 199 - 100  ]
                                           [ r4 = 99         ]

r4=0x00000063
r17=0x8019268c
00182b08:  sb r4,0x0039(r17)               [store current CT as 99]


How about a fix so only one skill can actually be learned from picking up a crystal instead of all of them?

Actually, I wouldn't mind a fix like that. Maybe also a modification that prevents ANY skills from being learned from crystals. ^_^

nice read.  thanks for the info Raz =D

Your view is amazing, I have book marked you.



Lol.

thanks raz for the float thing

as you're the main asm hacker I doubled your space

Razele
0x000EBD54 - 0x000ED9C3

You know have about 10% of kanji space at your disposal. ;o

I don't know if this is just a problem between Asmo and I, but are Secondaries and R/S/Ms sometimes selected to "nothing" when random.

If so, can we get rid of the "nothing" option?

- Added No Random Battles
Credits to Codetwink.com for the original gameshark code

Quoteas you're the main asm hacker I doubled your space

Razele
0x000EBD54 - 0x000ED9C3

You know have about 10% of kanji space at your disposal. ;o

Thanks Zodiac

QuoteI don't know if this is just a problem between Asmo and I, but are Secondaries and R/S/Ms sometimes selected to "nothing" when random.

If so, can we get rid of the "nothing" option?

Did the units get enough JP to purchase the R/S/M ?

Well actually, we've had several theories as to why this may be the case, but here's the scenario:

For both of us, every ability is set to cost 0JP and have 100% learn rate.
For both of us, sometimes the AI has blank secondaries (abilites are all random).

Asmo seems to have problems with the AI having access to the Chemist class skills even though chemist requires lv8 in all classes.  This also appears to have the side effect of making every other class with lv8 required in every class to be unlocked for AI as well.

I was not having the problem with Chemist being unlocked, but I assume that's because I had all the skillsets of classes we didn't want (lv8 required in every class) emptied out so that nothing could be learned from them.


Don't do anything just yet, because I have more testing to do, but I thought I'd throw the question out there in case there was an easy answer.  I think the problem was only with secondaries, so the R/S/Ms are probably okay as-is.

I have a request.

Change formula 08 from MA*Y to MA*MA

When you use an ability using this formula memory offsets 0x187208, 0x18721C, 0x18722C are all used, but I just can't get this shit to work. I tried jumping to some empty space after the last one and just writing a MA*MA calculation from scratch, but that didn't work either. I tried to add "lbu r2,0x0037(r2)" right before the last mult, and changing the last mult to "mult r2,r2", but that kept returning a 0. I don't think "0x0037" is the units MA. I got the idea that the units MA is "0x0037" from here: http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Formula_Hacking (http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Formula_Hacking)

It jumps to 0x1871F0 and then goes through the mult commands at those offsets, but I don't know where it is before that.

If those are the right memory offsets, that would put the formula at about 0x120208 in battle.bin, and that's nowhere near where you have to edit to change other formulas.

I've spent about 6 hours on this. I'm making a major fuck-up somewhere. None of the mult commands from 0x185ADC to 0x187204 change the damage of a spell using the formula.

I did a breakpoint at the first of those offsets and just "step into" for what seemed like an eternity and didn't come across any other mult commands.

On the plus side I found part of the code used to determine accuracy from zodiac compatibility (0x1859B8), at least I think it's zodiac, it isn't equipment. I followed that with "step into" and it lead me to another mult command (0x7c02210), but when you set that as a breakpoint the game instantly breaks, so it must be something else.

So yeah, if I could just see what you'd do to change it it'd probably teach me a good bit, plus it's one less edit I have to do for my patch. =P

1. You got wrong memory address for MA * Y formula
2. Base Class Address + 0x0037 is the unit's MA
3. The right step would be :
- Put read breakpoint on the unit's MA.
- Put read breakpoint on the unit's temp MA.

00186568:  lui r3,0x8019                  
0018656c:  lhu r3,0x38ce(r3)               [ r3 = MA ]
00186570: >lui r2,0x8019                  
00186574:  lhu r2,0x38d0(r2)               [ r2 = Y  ]
00186578:  nop                            
0018657c:  mult r3,r2                      [ MA * Y  ] change this to mult r3,r3 [MA * MA]
00186580:  lui r3,0x8019                  
00186584:  lw r3,0x2d90(r3)                
00186588:  ori r2,r0,0x0080                
0018658c:  sb r2,0x0025(r3)                
00186590:  mflo r2                        
00186594:  jr r31                          
00186598:  sh r2,0x0004(r3)


Formula 08 Dmg_F(MA * Y) becomes Dmg_F(MA * MA)
BATTLE.BIN
0x11F57E change 0x62 to 0x63

Quote from: "nates1984"I have a request.

Change formula 08 from MA*Y to MA*MA

Can't you simply just use Truth's formula and set Y to 0?

But then wouldn't it be MA*[MA/2]?

Quote from: "Asmo X"But then wouldn't it be MA*[MA/2]?

Shows how often I use her and her damaged goods

Raz,with your defend all edit, Enemy monsters can defend with AI but  party monsters dont have access to it...... is there a way to make party monsters have it without putting it in an innate slot?

Even after I gave Defend as their support ability or as innate, the Defend menu still didn't show on monsters.
If we can't make Defend menu show on monster, it's not possible to do this hack, since monsters have different menu structure than humans.

having "defend" as one of the 4 innates will allow them to use defend.

and the ai uses defend XD hehe, but most monsters  have space to use defend in one of their innates anyway. no biggy i suppose

the real deal is that friggin formula 2E  and missing maintinance lol...

It's rather nice to see all this happening, especially with it showing what some of our *actual* limitations are. Only disappointing part is that most of *these* hacks aren't something that could be easily implemented into FFTPatcher. Isn't a huge deal, just that it's generally nice to be able to keep everything in one place. Though at least the stuff that can't be included in FFTPatcher (if that program even gets an update with all the "new" stuff that's come out in the last half year) can be considered "advanced" changes.

So... editing formulas. Is there any significant limitation on what can be changed (besides space limitations)?

Actually, I don't think it would be difficult to add ASM hacks to the patcher. In fact, I've seen a system of ASM hacks being applied and removed via simple check boxes in at least one game specific editror. It really isn't anything more complicated than instructing the patcher to write a number of bytes to a specific file in a specific place. As a game editor,FFTPatcher already does that. ^_^

Woot! Thank you Raz, that cleared things up for me.

Quote from: "Zozma"having "defend" as one of the 4 innates will allow them to use defend.

and the ai uses defend XD hehe, but most monsters  have space to use defend in one of their innates anyway. no biggy i suppose

the real deal is that friggin formula 2E  and missing maintinance lol...

I gave Boco innate Defend and I didn't see Defend menu after I choose Act.

(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2350/chocoboxu1.png)(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8408/chocobo2ks4.png)

oh my bad, i guess its only my special boco and things like ultima demons and such that can use it. since the game thinks they are "humans" because of their skillsets

Hey Razele, would it be easy to make it so that when a unit is transparent their magic is unevadeable too?

- Wall reduces physical damage by 100%, duration : one turn

Quote from: "Asmo X"Hey Razele, would it be easy to make it so that when a unit is transparent their magic is unevadeable too?

Unevadeable ? You mean transparent unit can cast magic at 100% hit rate ?
Wouldn't that make status magic too powerful ?
Imagine 100% Don't Act / Sleep / Frog with AOE.
Also, Transparent status expires when a unit act (charging a spell).

Well the way concentrate works is that it cancels the enemy's ability to evade. The innate innacuracy of the spell still remains. So like, if it has MA+X% chance to hit, that would still be the case, it just would no longer stack with the enemy's ability to evade it.

And if a unit has always:transparent, it wont wear off during charge, right?

Sweet! ^_^

Now my knights can have the Guard ability! ^_^

Hey Razele,

How hard would it be to make every item available at every shop?

If it's just a whole lot of grunt work but you know how to do it, I'd be more than happy to just hear how I'd go about doing it.

Quote from: "Asmo X"Well the way concentrate works is that it cancels the enemy's ability to evade. The innate innacuracy of the spell still remains. So like, if it has MA+X% chance to hit, that would still be the case, it just would no longer stack with the enemy's ability to evade it.

And if a unit has always:transparent, it wont wear off during charge, right?

The current Transparent status already ignore the target's magical evasion.

[Transparent]
Appearance:  Character is translucent
Description:  Character is ignored by computer-controlled units.  Attacks
made by a Transparent character ignore all evade percentages -- physical
AND magical.  Transparent is cancelled at the end of any AT during which
the Transparent character takes an action or the Transparent character
takes any damage.
Add with:  Sunken State (R), Secret Clothes (1), Vanish Mantle (1),
           Setiemson (1)
Cancel with:  Dispel Magic, Despair, Despair 2, Odd Soundwave,
              act with Transparent unit, damage Transparent unit
Duration:  player-determined



Quote from: "VincentCraven"Hey Razele,

How hard would it be to make every item available at every shop?

If it's just a whole lot of grunt work but you know how to do it, I'd be more than happy to just hear how I'd go about doing it.

Zodiac already found out how to do it :
http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Shop_Selling_Lists (http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Shop_Selling_Lists)

Well there you go. Shows how much i use transparent (never). Thanks.

Tested the Wall hack, but there seems to be a problem. It isn't reducing damage at all. I think it might be clearing the wall status when the next unit's turn starts instead of when the affected unit's next turn starts.

I double checked to make sure I typed it in correct. I did.

I tried it out in two battles. At Orbonne Monastery I perma-stopped everyone except Ramza & Gafgarion. And I did the same at the first event at Mandalia Plains with Ramza and Delita.

At Orbonne, the wall effect was always gone when I check Ramza's status with Gafgarion after Ramza applied wall to himself.

At Mandlia, The wall status was still there on Delita's turn, but he still did damage to Ramza.

I tried both with physical and magical damage skills with the same results.

That's a shame.. I really hope he gets to fix it, Wall being a new status (it even has the description and text properly already in-game) would be very useful for new projects and their jobs

It would be great to have a complete Knight job for my classics patch.

BTW, Razele, could the wall be made to force the defending pose like defending does? It isn't imperative, so don't worry about it if it's too much of a hassle. ^_^

Quote from: "Razele"Zodiac already found out how to do it :
http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Shop_Selling_Lists (http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Shop_Selling_Lists)

Even Better! Thanks.

Quote from: "Razele"

Code Select Expand

[Transparent]
Appearance:  Character is translucent
Description:  Character is ignored by computer-controlled units.  Attacks
made by a Transparent character ignore all evade percentages -- physical
AND magical.  Transparent is cancelled at the end of any AT during which
the Transparent character takes an action or the Transparent character
takes any damage.
Add with:  Sunken State (R), Secret Clothes (1), Vanish Mantle (1),
           Setiemson (1)
Cancel with:  Dispel Magic, Despair, Despair 2, Odd Soundwave,
              act with Transparent unit, damage Transparent unit
Duration:  player-determined



You know, from reading this, it occurs to me that if wall had transparent's visual effect it would already make a better transparent effect than transparent. This would be especially true with the addition of that last hack.

And likewise, if Transparent didn't have the visual effect the ignored by enemies thing it would make a better 'concentrating' status. It would be like having a perfect Aim ability as it was in FF4. And the don't ignore hack is already done, too. ^_^

Quote from: "Vanya"Tested the Wall hack, but there seems to be a problem. It isn't reducing damage at all. I think it might be clearing the wall status when the next unit's turn starts instead of when the affected unit's next turn starts.

I double checked to make sure I typed it in correct. I did.

I tried it out in two battles. At Orbonne Monastery I perma-stopped everyone except Ramza & Gafgarion. And I did the same at the first event at Mandalia Plains with Ramza and Delita.

At Orbonne, the wall effect was always gone when I check Ramza's status with Gafgarion after Ramza applied wall to himself.

At Mandlia, The wall status was still there on Delita's turn, but he still did damage to Ramza.

I tried both with physical and magical damage skills with the same results.

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9047/scus9422125012009003855mt1.png)

Weird. Working fine for me.
Agrias has Wall, and receive 0 damage from Ramza :
I'm using Poison trigger. Poison give the unit damage after the unit finished act.
So, Wall status expire after the units finished their act.
In your case, if you cast it on yourself, it will expire after you 'Wait', or Move and Act. Try to make other cast Wall on Ramza.

Instead of stopping everyone, change Sprint shoes to give +50 speed and give it to Ramza, alongside with Non Charge support ability.
That's how I test this case.

Also, you're not allowed to change the Wall CT. Keep it as 24, or higher, but don't change it to 0.

Quote from: "Vanya"It would be great to have a complete Knight job for my classics patch.

BTW, Razele, could the wall be made to force the defending pose like defending does? It isn't imperative, so don't worry about it if it's too much of a hassle. ^_^

I haven't found out where the game store the character animation in battle for each units.

Quote from: "Razele"Weird. Working fine for me.
Agrias has Wall, and receive 0 damage from Ramza :
I'm using Poison trigger. Poison give the unit damage after the unit finished act.
So, Wall status expire after the units finished their act.
In your case, if you cast it on yourself, it will expire after you 'Wait', or Move and Act. Try to make other cast Wall on Ramza.

Instead of stopping everyone, change Sprint shoes to give +50 speed and give it to Ramza, alongside with Non Charge support ability.
That's how I test this case.

Also, you're not allowed to change the Wall CT. Keep it as 24, or higher, but don't change it to 0.

So in it's current form it's no good for the caster. Is there any way to make it ignore 'Wait' and 'Move' so it can be effective with a caster only skill?

Quote from: "Razele"I haven't found out where the game store the character animation in battle for each units.

Well, Zodiac found the caster animations for each skill slot. Look here. (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=888)
I don't think these are exactly what you would need for this, but the relevant data might be near by. ^_^

In the mean time I was thinking of just combining wall and defending status together. Would there be any problems with them stacking?

QuoteSo in it's current form it's no good for the caster. Is there any way to make it ignore 'Wait' and 'Move' so it can be effective with a caster only skill?

If you use Wall for caster only skill, just increase the duration for 2 turns.
First turn, the caster cast Wall, counter decreased from 2 to 1 when he finished act. Second turn, the caster has Wall. If he finished act, counter will be decreased from 1 to 0. Wall expires.

I set Wall to reduce attacker's PA to 0, but it seems there's sanity check for minimum PA to prevent underflow. Minimum PA = 1.

Normal, PA = 99, WP = 40
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3230/nowallvc3.png)

With Wall, PA reduced to 1, WP = 40
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8974/wallwo2.png)

QuoteWell, Zodiac found the caster animations for each skill slot. Look here.
I don't think these are exactly what you would need for this, but the relevant data might be near by. ^_^

Nope, it's a different data.
I have searched it in character battle data block (3019pppC - 3019uuu2) without any result.

QuoteIn the mean time I was thinking of just combining wall and defending status together. Would there be any problems with them stacking?

There should be no problem with Defending + Wall stack together.

Hmm... here's... what seems a gargantuan task, Razele, do you think  you could reactivate the Books? We know they exist in the PSX version, they're just disabled, so far we haven't been able to see hide nor hair, but maybe you could find the triggers and re-enable them?

Long Overdue Request:

Alter Potion / Hi-Potion / X-Potion Healing Formula to heal % of MAX HP, instead of 10*Z

Example:

1) Potion: Heal 25% MAX HP
2) Hi-Potion: Heal 33% MAX HP
3) X-Potion: Heal 50% MAX HP

QuoteIf you use Wall for caster only skill, just increase the duration for 2 turns.
First turn, the caster cast Wall, counter decreased from 2 to 1 when he finished act. Second turn, the caster has Wall. If he finished act, counter will be decreased from 1 to 0. Wall expires.

I do this by altering the CT? 48 instead of 24?
Edit: guess not 'cause that didn't work.

Quote from: "Voldemort7"Long Overdue Request:

Alter Potion / Hi-Potion / X-Potion Healing Formula to heal % of MAX HP, instead of 10*Z

Example:

1) Potion: Heal 25% MAX HP
2) Hi-Potion: Heal 33% MAX HP
3) X-Potion: Heal 50% MAX HP

Great idea!! I don't know why I never thought to ask for that. I second this request. ^_^

I know you're swamped with stuff and I hope to get into ASM hacking myself by next week (though considering that I STILL haven't started FFXII...), which is why I've been rather hesitant to ask for things different from what others have been asking; I've also been hestiant to ask for things because some of them I'm unsure if I was going to use or not.

However, there was something I had been meaning to ask that no one else has asked that I'm certain that I'm going to use (since I don't want to have to get rid of something ELSE) for generics: If possible, then after you are done with the above requests, could you please try your dedicated hand at nerfing Teleport so that it takes the Jump stat into account as well as the Move stat?

The reason I'm asking for this particular patch is because a)Teleport overshadows both Ignore Height and Fly, especially since the latter two's negation of fall damage applies to so few maps and b)Teleport is thusly vastly, vastly overused.

Also with regards to Teleport, I'm also curious if there's some way to increase the percentage of failure for Teleports outside of the Move and (what I hope is capable soon) Jump radius.

This will probably take a while on top of being not pressing and something I wish to look into myself when I start ASM hacking.

The Damned brings up a good point.

I'd also like Teleport to effectively be used only for getting through obstacles, not for appearing way up on top of them, if that's possible.

As far as the AI is concerned, it rarely goes beyond the safe zone of Teleportation, yet the player can easily move another 3 spaces with a high chance of success.  Perhaps if the drop off rate was 25% per extra square instead of 10%, that would be better.

Wouldn't be as simple as making teleport use the basic movement routine to select it's range? And that might solve the infinite jump range thing at the same time. ^_^

QuoteLong Overdue Request:

Alter Potion / Hi-Potion / X-Potion Healing Formula to heal % of MAX HP, instead of 10*Z

Example:

1) Potion: Heal 25% MAX HP
2) Hi-Potion: Heal 33% MAX HP
3) X-Potion: Heal 50% MAX HP

I prefer

1) Potion:    Max(30,Heal 25% MAX HP)
2) Hi-Potion: Max(70,Heal 33% MAX HP)
3) X-Potion: Max(150,Heal 50% MAX HP)

Heal 25% from Max HP will make Potion too weak at chapter 1, unless you make Potion, Hi-Potion, and X-Potion available at chapter 1.

QuoteI do this by altering the CT? 48 instead of 24?
Edit: guess not 'cause that didn't work.

I'll use Defending trigger for Wall. That should solve the problem.

QuoteHmm... here's... what seems a gargantuan task, Razele, do you think you could reactivate the Books? We know they exist in the PSX version, they're just disabled, so far we haven't been able to see hide nor hair, but maybe you could find the triggers and re-enable them?

The books ? You mean the Brave Story "Fact" section or Book of Enavia ?

QuoteThe Damned brings up a good point.

I'd also like Teleport to effectively be used only for getting through obstacles, not for appearing way up on top of them, if that's possible.

As far as the AI is concerned, it rarely goes beyond the safe zone of Teleportation, yet the player can easily move another 3 spaces with a high chance of success. Perhaps if the drop off rate was 25% per extra square instead of 10%, that would be better.

So far, I haven't messed with Teleport or touch RNG function.

QuoteWouldn't be as simple as making teleport use the basic movement routine to select it's range? And that might solve the infinite jump range thing at the same time. ^_^

This is a good idea.
If I can change Teleport's range to be the same as the Move+1, that should solve most of the problems.

Quote from: "Razele"

QuoteLong Overdue Request:

Alter Potion / Hi-Potion / X-Potion Healing Formula to heal % of MAX HP, instead of 10*Z

Example:

1) Potion: Heal 25% MAX HP
2) Hi-Potion: Heal 33% MAX HP
3) X-Potion: Heal 50% MAX HP

I prefer

1) Potion:    Max(30,Heal 25% MAX HP)
2) Hi-Potion: Max(70,Heal 33% MAX HP)
3) X-Potion: Max(150,Heal 50% MAX HP)

???

Don't understand

30 + 25% Max HP?

if so,


150 + 50% Max HP? that'd make X Potion too good

X-Potions should heal 100% HP like in every other Final Fantasy and offset it by making it extremely rare and expensive.

I'd then prefer Potion and Hi-Potion to heal 25% and 50% HP respectively.

If, Razele, you mean that the potions should heal a minimum amount of HP, then I'm totally in agreement.

A straight 30 HP or 25% of max HP, which ever is higher.

That'd probably be better for numerous reasons.

You could probably use a branch to do it. Load 30 and 25%, if 25% is higher branch off to an area where you write 25% in the relevant temp address, if 30 is higher don't branch and write that to the temp address. You could use the old formula to determine what the constant number is I guess, that way you could still alter that number in the FFTPatcher in case you wanted to change it later, and you wouldn't have to code in any numbers manually.

Items don't consider br/fa/pa/ma/anything, so that'd probably be easy enough to put in, but the branches and shit would have to be written from scratch. You could jump out right after it loads the constant value, but before it alters the HP, that way it'd save some space.

Jump to new area, load 25%, branch so that if 25% is lower it jumps right back to the area you came from, if 25% is higher transfer that value to whatever registry the constant was in, then jump back to the area you came from.

You'd have to have a different area for each potion type though, at least with my understanding. Or you could do some fancy shit with the item value and some more jumps to load one of the three percentage values. Subtract the lowest potions item value from each one, if 0 go here, if 1 go here, if 2 go here. I haven't looked at items though, so it might be harder then that.

Now that I think about it, it probably uses the same ASM code for all three items, it just loads a constant from a different spot depending what the item value is. I know how'd I'd do it, but once it was written you'd have to manually edit the branches in WinHex, and if you changed the constant in FFTPatcher then it'd fuck everything up without doing that. The constant value is what the branches would go by.

All of those methods are probably inferior to what Raz would do. I'm actually interested in seeing how he'd do it.

QuoteA straight 30 HP or 25% of max HP, which ever is higher.

Ohhhh ok

if so

that's pretty good

- Potion Formula    = Max(30,25% Max HP)
- Hi-Potion Formula = Max(70,33% Max HP)
- X-Potion Formula  = Max(150,50% Max HP)

Unfortunately, the function that remove Defending status is located in SCUS_942.21
Another solution would be to change Wall CT to 10.
10 CT is enough to last ~1 turn.

Wall reduces physical damage by 99%
BATTLE.BIN
0x124AE2 change 0x40 to 0x42
0x11F3BC change 00000000 to D24D0508

0xEC748
5B006290
01004230
02004010
1980043C
CE3880A0
F0180608
00000000

Quote from: "Razele"- Potion Formula    = Max(30,25% Max HP)
- Hi-Potion Formula = Max(70,33% Max HP)
- X-Potion Formula  = Max(150,50% Max HP)

I will test later today

this one seems impossible to me....

is there any way to make it so human enemies CURRENT job level is based on their level? You can assign the character to have whatever level on one specified job in ENDT right now and i like that feature, but it would be cool if, in addition to that, you could make it so the current job they are using was at a level matching their own level.

like say 1-9 job lvl1
10-19 job lvl2
20-29 job lvl3 etc
or something like that

Okay, I lied. (Well, I didn't technically lie since VincentCraven also thought it was a good idea; for the record, I would be completely fine if you made Teleport basically the bastard child of Move +1 and non-flying Fly, especially since Move +2 naturally over takes Move +1 anyway.)

There was something else that I had been wondering ever since SentinelBlade's ASM thread came up and then never really got to fruition between it being overwhelmed and him being hopitalized briefly on top of working on his own hack.

It's a formula hack, so I'm not sure how much more difficult it is or isn't in comparsion to other hacks: I was wondering if there was some way to make formulas only hit monsters like the Dragon-Hydra formulas that the Dragoner class has? Similarly, I wondered if we could have specific other monsters and/or possibly other formulas that would allow for damage?

These are more opened but just something I've wondering that I was just reminded of.

Quote from: "Zozma"this one seems impossible to me....

is there any way to make it so human enemies CURRENT job level is based on their level? You can assign the character to have whatever level on one specified job in ENDT right now and i like that feature, but it would be cool if, in addition to that, you could make it so the current job they are using was at a level matching their own level.

like say 1-9 job lvl1
10-19 job lvl2
20-29 job lvl3 etc
or something like that

I haven't tried this, but it should be possible.
If you limit the current Job level based on current enemy level, won't that make the enemies too weak ?
All enemies in chapter 4 should master their own job to level 8, and I finish vanilla at level 40 - 50.

QuoteOkay, I lied. (Well, I didn't technically lie since VincentCraven also thought it was a good idea; for the record, I would be completely fine if you made Teleport basically the bastard child of Move +1 and non-flying Fly, especially since Move +2 naturally over takes Move +1 anyway.)

There was something else that I had been wondering ever since SentinelBlade's ASM thread came up and then never really got to fruition between it being overwhelmed and him being hopitalized briefly on top of working on his own hack.

It's a formula hack, so I'm not sure how much more difficult it is or isn't in comparsion to other hacks: I was wondering if there was some way to make formulas only hit monsters like the Dragon-Hydra formulas that the Dragoner class has? Similarly, I wondered if we could have specific other monsters and/or possibly other formulas that would allow for damage?

These are more opened but just something I've wondering that I was just reminded of.

It shouldn't be too difficult, but why you want Monster only formula ?
Since we rarely encounter monster in story battle, this will make the formula less useful than formula that work on humans and monsters, like Magic, unless you give big advantage to the monster only formula.

Ex : Seal Evil, too powerful with Undead, useless on battle without Undead.
Also, I can't change the text that displayed in some formula,
like : 5D Dragon: Set_Quick NS
if I change this to damage formula that only work on monster, the Quick text will still show.

well Raz

the setup is specifically for enemies to always be party level or higher

if your characters are level 80 and still in chapter 1, the enemies will be level 80+

thats why....

I would still like to have control of setting one job to a specific level in ENTD as it is now. but if its the character's current job make the game set it like this:

1-9    level 1
10-19 level2
20-29 level3
30-39 level4
40-49 level5
50-59 level6
60-69 level7
70+   level8

note that this is also with the intention of raising the jp requirement from one job level to the next which should ultimately cause your characters to have to level up more anyway.

This will probably end up being another failure from me, but you know how petrified units are invulnerable to all attacks? Is it possible to make that property apply to units with the "stop" status?

Stop doesn't last as long as Petrify (Petrify never wears off)

that's why it doesn't grant immunity to attacks

Ok thanks for telling me that petrify never wears off dude I had no idea. Why are you telling me this again?

QuoteThis will probably end up being another failure from me, but you know how petrified units are invulnerable to all attacks? Is it possible to make that property apply to units with the "stop" status?

If you're not using Wall, you can use Stop + Wall together to make Stop ignore all attacks.

QuoteI would still like to have control of setting one job to a specific level in ENTD as it is now. but if its the character's current job make the game set it like this:

If we fight against Wiegraf, party level = 25, and Wiegraf's level is set to party level, his unlocked jobs will be Base 3 (grant ~350 JP) ?

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/511/wiegrafyt1.png)

Good idea.

How does one going about apply these changes? What tools / guides should I be looking at? Would appreciate it if someone could direct me to the right place for that.

Also not really a request, but there doesn't seem to be a formula for straight up +MA (MA equivalent of accumulate's +PA) is there? The only one is vanilla scream which also increases speed. I won't be able to put it to use, but it might interest some other people.

Quote from: "Razele"Also, I can't change the text that displayed in some formula,
like : 5D Dragon: Set_Quick NS
if I change this to damage formula that only work on monster, the Quick text will still show.

Are you sure?
The text that skills display after being used is controlled by the caster animation data. the 3rd byte in each skill's animation data is the text that it displays. ^_^

Quote from: "Vanya"Are you sure?
The text that skills display after being used is controlled by the caster animation data. the 3rd byte in each skill's animation data is the text that it displays. ^_^

The 3rd byte in Quick spell is already Zero :
0x2CE8B Quick : 01 2C 00

QuoteExample: Scream

0x2cfdb: 112219h

When I changed it to 112200 it stopped displaying "Max Power" after executing it in battle.

And after I change Scream's 3rd byte to 0, it still displays PA+1, MA+1, SP+1, Brave+10

QuoteHow does one going about apply these changes? What tools / guides should I be looking at? Would appreciate it if someone could direct me to the right place for that.

http://www.fantasyanime.com/garden/savestatehacking.htm (http://www.fantasyanime.com/garden/savestatehacking.htm)

Quotethere doesn't seem to be a formula for straight up +MA (MA equivalent of accumulate's +PA) is there? The only one is vanilla scream which also increases speed. I won't be able to put it to use, but it might interest some other people.

You have to sacrifice one formula to create new formula.
Ex : formula +SP(Y) modified to +MA(Y)

http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Formulas (http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Formulas)

QuoteThe 3rd byte in Quick spell is already Zero :
0x2CE8B Quick : 01 2C 00

I should have double checked that, sorry. ^_^

QuoteAnd after I change Scream's 3rd byte to 0, it still displays PA+1, MA+1, SP+1, Brave+10

Did you change the formula? The 3rd bytes only effect text boxes that appear after the skill is completed. The text appearing over the effected unit's head is controlled by the formula itself it seems. I have tested that. ^_^

QuoteYou have to sacrifice one formula to create new formula.
Ex : formula +SP(Y) modified to +MA(Y)

I'd like to have that modification available for one of my mage jobs. ^_^

If possible I'd also like to have "3B +Brave_(X) +PA/MA/SP_(Y) NS" change into "Heal_(PA*Y) Hit_(PA+X)% NS". Let me know if that isn't enough space. Thanks!

Quote from: "Razele"It shouldn't be too difficult, but why you want Monster only formula ?

Since we rarely encounter monster in story battle, this will make the formula less useful than formula that work on humans and monsters, like Magic, unless you give big advantage to the monster only formula.

That's kind of a moot point since the ENTD allows those of us who want to use monsters more to make a lot (story) battles; despite having mapped out much of my story (on the forum), I already know there's at least five story battles that will have a significant amount of monsters.

Besides that, there are some people who want to create Beastmaster-esque classes that focus on monsters, though whether or not it's possible to replicate the FFTA Beastmaster you would know far better than I at this point.

Right now, the only two formulas I want right after just specific ones for damaging Undead and damaging Dragons/Hydras. Also, changing formula 40 to go by MA rather than Sp.

That said, all three of those are rather unnecessary right now since I haven't mapped out anything. I would much rather that Teleport one be looked out when you have the time. (I would especially prefer this because since I'm still rather annoyed that we have to replace formulas to make new ones.)

***

Since Asmo did bring up a good point (as per usual), with regards to that Stop + Wall combination, we wouldn't that only make Stop invulnerable to physical attacks? Also, wouldn't that only work as long as we made Wall and Stop have the same CT?

Also, I reminded of yet another curiosity now: Is there some way to remove the inability to attack Petrified people? I'd be curious if there would be some way to replicate the "SHATTERED!" effect of FFX (without having that character getting erased from the game via Crystallization or Treasure Boxing or whatever.)

Oh, and one more thing....[/Jackie Chan Adventures]

Since we're talking about statuses that don't work and you fixed Oil, I was curious as whether you try could looking into why Jump is a separate status from the actual Jump command when it just glitches the hell out of the game.

It just seems rather odd that of all the statuses that ended up not being used, i.e. Wall, Oil, Dark/Evil Looking, that the only extremely glitchy one would be one that shouldn't really exist separately anyway. (I mean, it's not like Quick is a status, and yet Jump is? Uh....?)

I guess I'll end this particular bout of rambling here.

I have a hunter job in my hack that would greatly benefit from a few monster specific damage formulas. ^_^

Lol. I forgot I had a Hunter class until you said that despite the fact it's one of the few new classes whose abilities all work.

There is one more thing I've been curious about: When it comes to replacing formulas, how do we measure space? Is a letter by letter thing or a byte by byte thing?

Byte by byte, but unless you know the length of the actual instructions all you can do is ball park it. ^_^

Quote from: "Razele"

QuoteIf we fight against Wiegraf, party level = 25, and Wiegraf's level is set to party level, his unlocked jobs will be Base 3 (grant ~350 JP) ?

exactly, except that we CAN alter how much jp is required to reach another job level with fft patcher already.

another thing perhaps, since max jp is 9999
make it so for every level the base has +100 jp? by lvl 99 theyd have 9900 jp then. but still having the ability to set another job's level in the editor. ehh i guess its only sounding more complicated.

so anyway if hes lvl 25 then id rather it be 2500 jp that he has, ya see?
my particular aim is making sure the enemy is better but not overpowered at low levels either. Also it would be better for it to set the JP bonus to the current job they are set to, and not necessarily the base, however that's probably going too far with complication right?  and if thats the case the base would be fine XD

Quote from: "Razele"(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9620/itemgroupxi9.png)
I'll provide some example :

- It's possible to merge two adjacent group together, ex : Equip Gun -> Equip "Instrument + Book" (group 2) + "Shield + Hat" (group 3)
- It's not possible to merge two distant group, ex : Equip Sword -> Equip "Axe + Rod" (group 1) + "Bag + Armor" (group 3)
- It's possible to change one group to another group, ex : Equip Axe (group 1) -> Equip Shield + Helmet (group 3)
Because there's not enough space to write the asm instruction.

2. "Equip XXX" functions are located in SCUS_942.21
Since I don't have enough space to write asm code in SCUS_942.21, I have to use WORLD.BIN / BATTLE.BIN
BATTLE.BIN is only loaded in battle, so I have to pick WORLD.BIN.
I can write a jump instruction to WORLD.BIN and write a function to change "Equip Axe" to "Equip Axe + Flail + Cloth".
It will works fine in world map, but when you enter battle, the game will load BATTLE.BIN, not WORLD.BIN
Bad things will happen if you use "Equip Change", since the game know you have "Equip Axe", it will jump
to the address in WORLD.BIN, but WORLD.BIN isn't exist anymore in the memory.

Okay, so just to clarify:

It sounds like there is a chart of numbers similar to the list found at

http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/Shop_Selling_Lists

that allows several combinations of equipment to be made at that spot.

I would really appreciate it if you would make Equip Gun -> Equip Robe

But if you could post up a table similar to the Shop Selling Lists that lists the combinations, I would prefer that.

The system for Equipment sounds more difficult though, so if it's much work, just say so.

QuoteSince we're talking about statuses that don't work and you fixed Oil, I was curious as whether you try could looking into why Jump is a separate status from the actual Jump command when it just glitches the hell out of the game.

To grant invulnerability to the jumper.
If you see in fftpatcher, Jump status has "Ignore Attacks" checked.

QuoteSince Asmo did bring up a good point (as per usual), with regards to that Stop + Wall combination, we wouldn't that only make Stop invulnerable to physical attacks? Also, wouldn't that only work as long as we made Wall and Stop have the same CT?

Yeah, you have to set Stop and Wall to have the same CT in fftpatcher.
The original Wall status protect you from all attacks, physical, magical, reaction, etc.

QuoteIf possible I'd also like to have "3B +Brave_(X) +PA/MA/SP_(Y) NS" change into "Heal_(PA*Y) Hit_(PA+X)% NS

Problems :
1. At the result preview, Formula 3B will display Speed+1, not +X HP
2. After you cast the ability, it will says "Ramza's Magic Attack +1!!", "Ramza's Physical Attack +1!!", "Ramza's Brave +10!!"

QuoteDid you change the formula? The 3rd bytes only effect text boxes that appear after the skill is completed. The text appearing over the effected unit's head is controlled by the formula itself it seems. I have tested that. ^_^

I'm using original ISO to test this. I changed value in offset 0x2cfdb from 112219 to 112200

(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8140/screamgd4.gif)
I don't see any difference with normal Scream

QuoteAlso, I reminded of yet another curiosity now: Is there some way to remove the inability to attack Petrified people? I'd be curious if there would be some way to replicate the "SHATTERED!" effect of FFX (without having that character getting erased from the game via Crystallization or Treasure Boxing or whatever.)

I don't know about shattered effect, never play FF X.
But it's possible to make Petrify units to be attacked, that's what I do with the Wall hack.
I disabled Wall's "Ignore All Attacks" check function to make Wall reduces physical damage by 99%.

Quotemake it so for every level the base has +100 jp? by lvl 99 theyd have 9900 jp then. but still having the ability to set another job's level in the editor. ehh i guess its only sounding more complicated.

Yeah, I understand your idea, but I can't guarantee +100 JP / level can be done.
It seems a bit complicated, since I have to deal with RNG.

QuoteBut if you could post up a table similar to the Shop Selling Lists that lists the combinations, I would prefer that.

It's the same as Shop Selling Lists
Staff = 0x80
Flail = 0x40
...
etc

Clothing = 0x80
Robe = 0x40
...
etc

I got it working.  A few more tests and I can add these equip lists properly to the wiki.

Thanks!

QuoteI'm using original ISO to test this. I changed value in offset 0x2cfdb from 112219 to 112200

I changed scream to use formula 38 (100%), and to add wall. I changed it's animation bytes in the same way that you did.
When I cast it it grants wall and says so with no dialogue box after wards.

* Added Equip Gun -> Equip Robe

Proposed change on Life Drain, Drain Touch, Mutilate :

1. 0% success rate if target has Cancel: Dark
2. Cap the MAX HP in the formula to 999, so Life Drain will drain 25% * 999 = 250 HP from Zodiac boss, not 999

What do you think ?
Which one should be implemented ? 1 or 2 ?
The second change will convert formula 09 from
09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * MAX_HP Hit_F(MA+X)% to
09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * Min(999,MAX_HP) Hit_F(MA+X)%

For Demi, Demi 2, Lich :
1. Cap the HP damage to 999, so Demi will deal 25% * 999 = 250 damage on Zodiac boss, not 999
2. Keep it as is. Demi already has 0% chance if target has Cancel: Dark

QuoteI changed scream to use formula 38 (100%), and to add wall. I changed it's animation bytes in the same way that you did.
When I cast it it grants wall and says so with no dialogue box after wards.

Do the same thing, use formula 38, add Protect, Shell, Haste.
But I don't change Scream animation byte from 112219 to 112200. I keep it as 112219.
After I cast Scream, there's no "Ramza's Physical Attack +1 !!, etc" message. At the result preview, it says Protect.
It seems the 3rd byte don't affect the message dialogue.
Anyway, I'll pending that "3B +Brave_(X) +PA/MA/SP_(Y) NS" change into "Heal_(PA*Y) Hit_(PA+X)% NS request
until I found out how to fix these problems :

1. At the result preview, Formula 3B will display Speed+1, not +X HP
2. After you cast the ability, it will says "Ramza's Magic Attack +1!!", "Ramza's Physical Attack +1!!", "Ramza's Brave +10!!"

Wow. either of those Life Drain changes would be awesome. Good for 1.3. I vote for option 2 myself. 25% of 999.

ill vote on the drain and demi's

for life drain option 2

for demi option 1 (isn't it much better to still allow the spell to be effective without being cheap as hell when used on something with ??? status? besides anyone can simply give any spell an element then make the specific monsters immune to that element with fftpatcher anyway)

anyway thats my votes

Since we're talking about percentage based spells (finally), one of the many things I've been curious about is whether or not we can change most, if not all, of the Max HP formulas to Current HP formulas.

I would much prefer that over the other two changes, though the second is far and away superior to the first which is just kind of superfluous.

like his poison hack, sounds pretty nice

but its a big problem for monsters with ??? stats if everytime it looks at the current hp it takes 999 off because the current breaks the cap for a looong time with some of them. i do prefer something such as demi1 to be doing 250 hp damage in such a case, otherwise game guides will suggest raping the demons with time mages. but i certainly do like the idea of it looking to current hp when factoring that in, as opposed to the max hp. i think you should never really be able to ko someone with demi based on the nature of the spell.

I would definitely like to see the 25% cap at 999 implemented for all of those skills.

* Poison damage from 1/8 * MaxHP to 1/8 * Min(999,MaxHP)
* Regen heal from 1/8 * MaxHP to 1/8 * Min(999,MaxHP)
* Formula 4D AbsHP_(Y)% * MaxHP Hit_(MA+X)% NS becomes 4D AbsHP_(Y)% * Min(999,MaxHP) Hit_(MA+X)% NS
* Formula 09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * MaxHP Hit_F(MA+X)% becomes 09 Dmg_(Y/100)% * Min(999,MaxHP) Hit_F(MA+X)%
* Formula 10 AbsHP_(Y)% * MaxHP Hit_F(MA+X)% NS becomes 10 AbsHP_(Y)% * Min(999,MaxHP) Hit_F(MA+X)% NS

This should fix Mutilate, Drain Touch, Demi, Demi2, Lich, Life Drain and Drain
Speaking about Poison, I also fixed Regen.
999 HP regen per turn on ??? monster (DD Holy Dragon) is pretty sick.
Examples :

HP : 500/3000
Regen : At the end of its turn, a unit will get 999/8 = 124 HP
Poison : At the end of its turn, a unit will lose 999/8 = 124 HP

HP : 100/400
Regen : At the end of its turn, a unit will get 400/8 = 50 HP
Poison : At the end of its turn, a unit will lose 400/8 = 50 HP

This is excellent.

That's a great idea. It will help to balance the game and open up more options for boss AI without raping the player.

As for that 3rd byte thing. I have manipulated that byte to change the messages on various skills. The values also perfectly correspond to the text entries in FFTacText. So I'm not sure what to say about your experience.

hey razele...

is it possible to replace formula 1F (malak's formula)


with a formula similar to Night Sword's formula except that it calculates the sum of damage of all units hit by it as the total amount of hp drained.
this so i can make a drain skill with AoE of 1

its gotta be PA based...

Quote from: "Zozma"hey razele...

is it possible to replace formula 1F (malak's formula)


with a formula similar to Night Sword's formula except that it calculates the sum of damage of all units hit by it as the total amount of hp drained.
this so i can make a drain skill with AoE of 1

its gotta be PA based...

If you want Drain with 1 AoE, just change Life Drain's effect area to 1.

i have tested it, and it only heals in the amount of the first(i think) unit hit even tho it damages all units.

I'm pretty sure that it should be draining all of them, just that it won't animate past the first person it hits. You should double (or, more likely, triple) check the HP of the person who used it after they hit more than one person with it.

A lot of animations seem to not animate beyond hitting the first person. I'm not sure why. I know it does it for my Cover skill, which is endlessly annoying.

n-no im not referring to the animations. the skill im using animates fine on all the panels, its the numbers if you hit 3 enemies each for 30 hp a pop you will absorb 30 instead of a combined 90 for all 3 of the enemies you just hit. go on, give it a try... i swear im not makin it up lol

I believe you since I haven't really messed around with making drain abilities AOE yet, though I was thinking about it the other day for my end boss. I guess I just have to find room in FFTPatcher to test out even more things now.

Hmmm....

I've had the same issue with trying to turn Sylph into her FF4&5 version. I can hit all the enemies on the map, but it only seems to restore HP equal to the amount gained from the last unit hit. At least that's what it displays. ^_^

QuoteHowever, there was something I had been meaning to ask that no one else has asked that I'm certain that I'm going to use (since I don't want to have to get rid of something ELSE) for generics: If possible, then after you are done with the above requests, could you please try your dedicated hand at nerfing Teleport so that it takes the Jump stat into account as well as the Move stat?

The reason I'm asking for this particular patch is because a)Teleport overshadows both Ignore Height and Fly, especially since the latter two's negation of fall damage applies to so few maps and b)Teleport is thusly vastly, vastly overused.

Also with regards to Teleport, I'm also curious if there's some way to increase the percentage of failure for Teleports outside of the Move and (what I hope is capable soon) Jump radius.

It's logical to include Jump stats into Teleport calculation,
but I don't know where the game store the height for each tiles in the memory.

Quote from FFT BMG
(thanks to Goryus on the GameFAQs FFT Message Board for this data)

The 'Teleport' ability from the Time Mage is one of the game's best,
allowing a unit to ignore height differences and pass through walls
and obstacles.  Teleport can fail if you attempt to teleport too far,
however, and the success rate is given by the formula below.

success% = min(100, (100 - 10 * (teleport_distance - move)))

where 'teleport_distance' is the number of squares that you are
teleporting -- note that just as with normal movement, each square
you move diagonally counts as two squares, because you can only move
in four directions (forward, backward, left and right).

'Move' is the Move stat of the person who is teleporting.

This equation essentially means that you are penalized 10% for each
square outside your movement range that you attempt to teleport.  If
you teleport inside your movement range, you are guaranteed success.


I check Teleport's RNG code and Goryus is right.
It's 10% penalty for each square outside your movement range.

I agree that Teleport need a nerf, but nerfing it too much will make it useless.
25% penalty is too much, no one will take a 50% chance to move 2 step ahead.

This is what I think the best, and can be implemented :
1. 10% penalty, can be learned from Crystal only
2. 10% / 15% / 20% penalty, can be learned from Time Mage, 1200 JP cost, move it from Time Mage to Calculator or the highest class available
3. 10% penalty, can be learned from Time Mage, cost X MP / teleport. If the unit doesn't have enough MP, it can't move anywhere (teleport will fail).
4. 10% penalty, can be learned from Time Mage, cost X MP / square outside your movement range. If the unit doesn't have enough MP, it can't move outside the normal movement range.

Well, even without the ability to move past one's movement range, Teleport is essentially the same as Fly, but allows the player to also move to tiles directly above itself with no penalty, right?  It's just that the AI almost never takes the chance of moving further than it's movement range.

Nevertheless, I think that option 3 (edit: 5, see below) is the coolest one.  As for the amount of MP per square... It'll vary from need to need.  For my purposes, 2MP per square might even be enough.

Vote for option 5. ^_^

Option 5 = option 3 + increase to 20% penalty.

NOTE: There is no penalty for moving within your normal movement range.

If move = 4 & distance = 4, then (100 - 10 * (4 - 4)) = 100 - 10*0 = 100 - 0 = 100.
Therefore, a 20% penalty means that you won't be able to move more than 4 squares beyond your normal range.
If move = 4 & distance = 9, then (100 - 10 * (9 - 4)) = 100 - 10*5 = 100 - 100 = 0.
That plus an MP cost would make it a very reasonable proposition, I think.

Should Teleport 2 be given an MP cost as well?

Option 5 is a pretty cool guy.

Teleport 2 might be usable by the player if it costs a ridiculous amount of MP per square, like 1/10 of a unit's MP per square.  I'd never give Teleport 2 to anyone besides the final boss or Elmdor, but that's just me.

If it's going to be usable for the player, then maybe it should be something like 30 MP per move instead of per panel. With no MP the unit wouldn't be able to move any more right? Perhaps it should only cost MP if you move beyond your movement range?

I have a small request (maybe, it might be ridiculously complicated, what do I know?).  Would it be possible to allow special characters, like Agrias, and maybe even Ramza himself, be able to participate in Bar Propositions?

That would go great with the Soldier Office Recruitment Disable.

Yeah that and renaming all characters is what made me think of it

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Well, even without the ability to move past one's movement range, Teleport is essentially the same as Fly, but allows the player to also move to tiles directly above itself with no penalty, right?  It's just that the AI almost never takes the chance of moving further than it's movement range.

Pretty much.

The only thing that Fly (and Ignore Height) have over Teleport is that they ignore fall damage, but since the game ended up being the "incomplete" version we got, half of the few maps where fall damage matters you can't ever go back to. (Examples include the Zalmo II fight, all three Bethla Garrison areas, both Dorter areas, etc.)


@ Vanya: Uh, those 10s in your post are supposed to be 20s, right?

(P.S. I'm probably going to bug you later on today. Just a heads up.)


@ Razele:  Of the options you provided, I would say that 4 is probably the best.

Then again, I also wouldn't really want the option of moving beyond 4 extra panels, especially if the computer still isn't going to use Teleport. (And, honestly, I probably wouldn't give the computer the first Teleport since Teleport 2 is one of those things that should remain computer only like Non-Charge.)

So, I do agree with Vanya that penalty should increase up to 20%.

Now with that said, I must thank you for giving me the idea of moving Teleport to Calculator/Sage/whatever I end up naming it since it was kind of lacking in R/S/M abilities compared to its opposite, Berserker.

This reminds me of "one more thing": Would it be possible, since you fixed Oil (which I'll have to remind myself to ask you about later), for you to also fix both Reflect and Silent Walk?

What should Silent Walk and Reflect do?

Well, I think Silent Walk is supposed to just ignore traps, which is admittedly a bit weak, though I'm trying to give at least all R/S/Ms outside of the "broken" ones like Two Swords a chance (until I get that demo up far, far in the future at this point).

It should have at least a bit of use early game (for me), and perhaps continued use if I knew about traps in their limitations. It would definitely see sustained use if we could figure out how to affect maps in-battle.

As for Reflect, I think it's just supposed to either automatically add Reflect or perhaps even try to act as an agressive "Reflect" in the sense that would be like a magical Blade Grasp (except that it would be balanced in that it would counter everything under the sun AND it would "counter" beneficial spells as well).

These are just my ideas, though.

Quote from: "The Damned"Well, I think Silent Walk is supposed to just ignore traps, which is admittedly a bit weak, though I'm trying to give at least all R/S/Ms outside of the "broken" ones like Two Swords a chance (until I get that demo up far, far in the future at this point).

It should have at least a bit of use early game (for me), and perhaps continued use if I knew about traps in their limitations. It would definitely see sustained use if we could figure out how to affect maps in-battle.

As for Reflect, I think it's just supposed to either automatically add Reflect or perhaps even try to act as an agressive "Reflect" in the sense that would be like a magical Blade Grasp (except that it would be balanced in that it would counter everything under the sun AND it would "counter" beneficial spells as well).

These are just my ideas, though.

Silent Walk's description always scares me for some reason. I don't know why. So Silent Walk = Poor Man's Move Find Item?

Hunh. I've never seen Silent Walk's description. I didn't know it or Reflect had descriptions, though I guess since we can actually "use" them in menus via FFTPatcher, it kind of makes sense.

And, yeah, it would be a Poor Man's Move-Find Item, except that I don't think all traps have Items (or am I wrong? I'm probably wrong) and Move-Find Item won't stop you from reactivating the trap if you're stupid enough to move over it again.

Quote from: "The Damned"Hunh. I've never seen Silent Walk's description. I didn't know it or Reflect had descriptions, though I guess since we can actually "use" them in menus via FFTPatcher, it kind of makes sense.

And, yeah, it would be a Poor Man's Move-Find Item, except that I don't think all traps have Items (or am I wrong? I'm probably wrong) and Move-Find Item won't stop you from reactivating the trap if you're stupid enough to move over it again.

I guess that's okay.

I'm looking for the description for Silent Walk now, but I don't remember where I found it.

Quote from: "Vanya"If it's going to be usable for the player, then maybe it should be something like 30 MP per move instead of per panel. With no MP the unit wouldn't be able to move any more right? Perhaps it should only cost MP if you move beyond your movement range?

Teleport is still the best ability for getting around (aside from Move+X) because it allows units to move through obstacles instead of around them.  So if it only costs MP when moving places within the movement range, Teleport trumps Jump+X, Ignore Height, and Fly.

Even if Teleport only allowed a unit to move within the movement range, I'd still use Teleport on most maps.

I think the solution is not to nerf Teleport, but to buff the other Move skills. I think we should just add Move to them, like Fly can get 2 Move or something.

Quote@ Vanya: Uh, those 10s in your post are supposed to be 20s, right?

(P.S. I'm probably going to bug you later on today. Just a heads up.)

Only after the ASM hack. This was just to illustrate.

Feel free to bug me when ever you wish. ^_^

No, teleport should be nerfed. Terrain and position should be important in this game and teleport ruins that, at least for the purpose of getting around. If you buff the other move skills you'll just make terrain and position even less relevant

I have a rather complicated request:


Okay, so I'm having a little issue with the method of selecting secondaries.

Basically how it works out is for some reason, the AI always has the option of choosing nothing as it's secondary skill.  What this means is that if the AI does not have their secondary chosen for them, ~1 or 2 enemies per battle will only have primary skills to choose from, giving the player an extra advantage.  If there was some way to remove that option of selecting nothing, that would be awesome.

This is probably the closest we can get to having effective random setups without having an AI for item/ability allocation (and that would probably add in a large delay when starting the battles too).

The other part is that if a skillset has no skills in it learned, the AI might also be assigned one of those skillsets.  I had hoped the reason for the no-skillset selection was to prevent this, but apparently it is not.  Thus the current method of randomly selecting a secondary can also be improved by disabling any skillset that is empty.  As far as I'm concerned, this part of the request is just icing on the cake if you can do it.

In FFTacText Editor...
(PSX):
[ATCHELP.LZW] -> [16 Ability Descriptions] -> [509 Silent Walk] -> "Become invisible, move without being seen.{END}"
(PSP):
[ATCHELP.LZW] -> [16 Ability Descriptions] -> [509 Stealth] -> "Move while transparent and invisible to the enemy.{END}"

I always did like that, and always wanted to give that a shot. People always said it would just let you avoid any damage/effect from traps, but I always thought that sounded weak and pathetic (what, an alternate Float that Ninja can use?).

Had I designed this game, I would've made Silent Walk made to avoid traps and allow (for only the turn on which you moved) Concentrate status for physical attacks (100% damage on any side). And if you don't do a normal attack, it fades as soon as your turn ends. As things stand, something like that sounds a bit complex to do with ASM hacking (making a status ailment occur just from using the "Move" command).

As for the teleport thing, I don't really think it needs to be "nerfed" so much. If anything, I think it should allow movement anyplace, but with a cost of 1/20 MaxMP per square moved total (if we go the v1.3 route of adding MP costs to nearly everything useful), or something like 10-20 MP per square moved outside movement range if we stick to the more vanilla route of MP being reserved for primarily magical abilities. As for penalty, haven't decided on the first example, but for the second one with the static MP cost, I'd say 16-20% per move outside movement range is good.

Would it be possible for A Save and MA Save to be retooled into a 25% psuedo-support stat boost? I think this will help equal out the gender gap, particularly for Males.

QuoteI have a small request (maybe, it might be ridiculously complicated, what do I know?). Would it be possible to allow special characters, like Agrias, and maybe even Ramza himself, be able to participate in Bar Propositions?

Not that difficult, but :
Proposition Glitch - Still exists. If you send units on an Errand and finish a chapter before they return you will lose them forever. They'll still be in your party menu screen but will no longer be found at the respective town. So try and finish Errands as soon as you can if you're unsure when a chapter will end

QuoteThis reminds me of "one more thing": Would it be possible, since you fixed Oil (which I'll have to remind myself to ask you about later), for you to also fix both Reflect and Silent Walk?

It's possible to fix Silent Walk, but I don't see any reason to use it.
I still prefer to use Move+1 than Silent Walk.
I'm not sure about Reflect. I'll see how Caution add "Defending". They should have the same function.

QuoteHad I designed this game, I would've made Silent Walk made to avoid traps and allow (for only the turn on which you moved) Concentrate status for physical attacks (100% damage on any side). And if you don't do a normal attack, it fades as soon as your turn ends. As things stand, something like that sounds a bit complex to do with ASM hacking (making a status ailment occur just from using the "Move" command).

I can make Silent Walk to give Always:Transparent or Initial:Transparent.
But, even with Initial:Transparent, Move+1 is still better than Silent Walk.

QuoteWhat should Silent Walk and Reflect do?

[Silent Walk]
Become invisible, move without being seen.

[Reflect]
Create magic reflect wall.
Add: reflect.

QuoteBasically how it works out is for some reason, the AI always has the option of choosing nothing as it's secondary skill. What this means is that if the AI does not have their secondary chosen for them, ~1 or 2 enemies per battle will only have primary skills to choose from, giving the player an extra advantage. If there was some way to remove that option of selecting nothing, that would be awesome.

That seems to be complicated. I don't know exactly why AI choose 00 Blank as secondary.
Without a good theory, it's hard to debug RNG code.
Also, there's no Gameshark code for ENTD, which makes things more difficult.

This is my theory :
a. AI has 50% chance to pick 00 Blank and 50% chance to pick other secondary.
b. AI has X% chance to pick secondary for each of the class they have access to. If all fail, pick 00 Blank.

QuoteI think the solution is not to nerf Teleport, but to buff the other Move skills. I think we should just add Move to them, like Fly can get 2 Move or something

I agree with this. Currently, there's no real advantage to use Fly or Ignore Height except at a few battle map where Height matters.
Float already get Always:Float
Float and Fly should get Initial:Reraise. Fly and Angel have something in common.
Fly should get Always:Faith / Initial:Faith. Same reason as Fly
Ignore Height should get Initial:Haste. To be able to jump so far you need a high speed

QuoteIf it's going to be usable for the player, then maybe it should be something like 30 MP per move instead of per panel. With no MP the unit wouldn't be able to move any more right? Perhaps it should only cost MP if you move beyond your movement range?

30 MP per teleport is a bit overkill. See the MP table list below.

QuoteWould it be possible for A Save and MA Save to be retooled into a 25% psuedo-support stat boost? I think this will help equal out the gender gap, particularly for Males.

A Save and MA Save is a reaction ability, not support ability. Isn't that what Magic Attack UP and Attack UP do ?
Actually, I prefer A Save / MA Save to :

1. Increase Max(1,X% PA/MA)
2. Increase Max(1,X% PA/MA) based on %HP loss.
000%-033% HP loss : 15% PA/MA increase
034%-066% HP loss : 20% PA/MA increase
067%-100% HP loss : 25% PA/MA increase

Examples :
Level = 50, PA = 12
A unit with 900/1000 HP receives 300 damage (30% HP loss), its PA will be increased by 1 (15% * 12 = 1.8)
A unit with 900/1000 HP receives 400 damage (40% HP loss), its PA will be increased by 2 (20% * 12 = 2.4)
A unit with 900/1000 HP receives 700 damage (70% HP loss), its PA will be increased by 3 (25% * 12 = 3.0)

25% seems high, but that's only if you receive more than 66% HP loss.
In FFT, two A Save, 15% + 15% are not 30% because of truncation.

Reaction ability is important, and I don't think A Save / MA Save have any appeal.
This is the reaction ability type that mostly used :

1. Avoid damage (Weapon Guard, Hamedo, Arrow Guard, Abandon)
2. Reduce damage (Damage Split, MP Switch, Auto Potion, Regenerator, HP Restore)
3. Counter damage (Counter, Counter Flood, Counter Magic)

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Well that's okay.  I think we've decided to take another path for the moment.  I don't really know enough about how the AI selects secondary skills, so don't worry about it.

Do you happen to know how to disable the job wheel?  All I really need is for squire to not be selectable, but anything that prevents job change would be great.

I still need for specials to be able to access their base class, so that might make it a little more difficult.

Vincent, make the squire need level 8 squire to be squire ? Haven't tested, but unless they start squire, i don't think they will be able to see it.

Squires' pre-req job levels aren't editable. They don't even have an entry in the Patcher. ^_^

Oh well, sorry.

If all else fails, I may have to overwrite many other classes with generic classes so that they only use their base class and thus overwrite squire.  But I don't think there's enough space for that either.

QuoteA Save and MA Save is a reaction ability, not support ability. Isn't that what Magic Attack UP and Attack UP do ?
Actually, I prefer A Save / MA Save to :

1. Increase Max(1,X% PA/MA)
2. Increase Max(1,X% PA/MA) based on %HP loss.
000%-033% HP loss : 15% PA/MA increase
034%-066% HP loss : 20% PA/MA increase
067%-100% HP loss : 25% PA/MA increase

Examples :
Level = 50, PA = 12
A unit with 900/1000 HP receives 300 damage (30% HP loss), its PA will be increased by 1 (15% * 12 = 1.
A unit with 900/1000 HP receives 400 damage (40% HP loss), its PA will be increased by 2 (20% * 12 = 2.4)
A unit with 900/1000 HP receives 700 damage (70% HP loss), its PA will be increased by 3 (25% * 12 = 3.0)

25% seems high, but that's only if you receive more than 66% HP loss.
In FFT, two A Save, 15% + 15% are not 30% because of truncation.

Reaction ability is important, and I don't think A Save / MA Save have any appeal.
This is the reaction ability type that mostly used :

1. Avoid damage (Weapon Guard, Hamedo, Arrow Guard, Abandon)
2. Reduce damage (Damage Split, MP Switch, Auto Potion, Regenerator, HP Restore)
3. Counter damage (Counter, Counter Flood, Counter Magic)

True, but there are times that no single reaction is going to help you out, because you can't survive it. This is particularly true with the magic classes. Think about it. A typical mage is going to have trouble surviving any attack. If they are lucky, they may survive, but that's not very likely, particularly End-Game.

Frankly, I would like the option of trading in survivability in exchange for being more effective/stronger. And since mages can't survive much in the first place, it's just more power to them.

While I'm here, I was wondering what you thought of these ideas:

-Buffing Two Hands by increasing Two Hands' WP boost (2.0 to 2.5?)

-Making Perform from regular damage and no evasion, to 1.5 damage and regular evasion (so that the W-Ev on Cloths don't look so embarrassingly stupid)

Dokurider:  As far as reactions go, if a unit can't survive hits, it should have one of the defensive reactions that increase evasion or something.  We already have enough pseudo-supports in the reaction slot.  MA Save (functioning as a duplicate Magic Attack Up) has nothing to do with reacting.

-If units are going to get 1HKO in the first place, why should Two Hands be buffed even more?  I'd rather see Two Swords nerfed, with a 0.7 multiplier.

-Being able to evade while performing may be cool.  In vanilla Dance was good enough as it is, but I could see a case for that with some changes.

And as far as vanilla goes, I agree that 80% of the time, Move+2 is better than Fly, Ignore Height, Jump+3, or w/e.  So if one decides to keep Move+2 (ugh) then other movement skills ought to be buffed rather than nerfed.

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Dokurider:  As far as reactions go, if a unit can't survive hits, it should one of the defensive reactions that increase evasion or something.  We already have enough pseudo-supports in the reaction slot.  MA Save (functioning as a duplicate Magic Attack Up) has nothing to do with reacting.

Can't evade when you are charging, which is what a mage does most of the time. Also name me one other psuedo-support that isn't Abandon.

Quote-If units are going to get 1HKO in the first place, why should Two Hands be buffed even more?  I'd rather see Two Swords nerfed, with a 0.7 multiplier.

QuoteI also thought about that as well. I'd be fine with either, really.

Touche on the charging point.  But Blade Grasp helps in some situations.

Weapon Guard is also a pseudo-support.

I'm just saying that +more attack power isn't a reaction by any stretch.

Maybe a Reflect-reaction is due for units that get 1HKO'd?

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Touche on the charging point.  But Blade Grasp helps in some situations.

Weapon Guard is also a pseudo-support.

I'm just saying that +more attack power isn't a reaction by any stretch.

Maybe a Reflect-reaction is due for units that get 1HKO'd?

Can't get Blade Grasp in 1.3 and it's a Countergrasp reaction, not a psuedo-support.

Okay, you got one, but that's really it. It's not like the counter slot is inundated with Psuedos.

I know it's not a reaction by any stretch. That's not the point. The point is that you are sacrificing your reaction slot in exchange for power.

And my point is that just because some class can't make use of a particular option doesn't mean that there needs to be something that it can make use of in place of it.

Though I'm not the one making the hacks, and your patch may need this addition, so I'll shut up now.

Not alot of people realize it, but silent walk actually has a use

It is supposed to NOT trigger traps when you step on them. this is actually cool considering you can place tons of traps on a small map in the PSP multiplayer.

the psx silent walk has little use though, as move-find-item easily accomplishes the same effect, and gets you an item.

Actually now that Ive thought about it I think that Raz's suggestion is best.

* Performing gain evasion and receive 150% damage from physical attack
* Teleport penalty from 10% to 20%, cost X MP / teleport

QuoteWhile I'm here, I was wondering what you thought of these ideas:

-Buffing Two Hands by increasing Two Hands' WP boost (2.0 to 2.5?)

-Making Perform from regular damage and no evasion, to 1.5 damage and regular evasion (so that the W-Ev on Cloths don't look so embarrassingly stupid)

Two Hands give double damage, at the cost of Shield / Evasion.
Of course, if people want that in their patch, it's possible to raise that multiplier, but I think Two Hands already quite good.

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Well that's okay.  I think we've decided to take another path for the moment.  I don't really know enough about how the AI selects secondary skills, so don't worry about it.

Do you happen to know how to disable the job wheel?  All I really need is for squire to not be selectable, but anything that prevents job change would be great.

I still need for specials to be able to access their base class, so that might make it a little more difficult.

I haven't debugged Job wheel yet.
If you disable Squire, what's the starting class in your patch ?
If you set enemies' job as Thief, his unlocked job to Thief 1, and all of his skill to random, there's a chance for him to use secondary / reaction / support / movement from Squire's skill sets.

QuoteAnd as far as vanilla goes, I agree that 80% of the time, Move+2 is better than Fly, Ignore Height, Jump+3, or w/e. So if one decides to keep Move+2 (ugh) then other movement skills ought to be buffed rather than nerfed.

If anyone has a good idea to boost other movement ability, post it here.
Currently, it's possible to give movement ability :
1. Initial:Status
2. Always:Status
3. Immune:Status
4. Absorb / Cancel / Half / Weak / Strengthen Element

May / may not be possible (in progress)
5. Move+X bonus

(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6509/jump2pf0.png)

If it were possible to add +move/jump to movement abilities, i'd like to see the +move and +jump abilities conslodated into one set of +abilities. like Move +1 would increase move by, well, +1, and move + 2 would increase move by +2 and jump by +1, and move plus 3 would have the net effect of move +3 and jump +2.

Fly could get Always: Float, and grant immunity to Don't Move, but would add Weak: Wind

Float could grant immunity to Don't Move

Any Ground could also halve earth and water element attacks

Actually Sentinal... though that is it's purported purpose, it still appears to be broken from what (I believe?) I had tested, and from what I've read eslewhere, (maybe the BMG?)

Also, I was referring to the Books, Razele, Book of Enavia, M - Fiction Book, all those good treasures. If we can harness those... oh the storytelling functions would be incredible!

Quote from: "Razele"I haven't debugged Job wheel yet.
If you disable Squire, what's the starting class in your patch ?
If you set enemies' job as Thief, his unlocked job to Thief 1, and all of his skill to random, there's a chance for him to use secondary / reaction / support / movement from Squire's skill sets.

Well see, every class would start out as something other than Squire, and the whole Squire skillset would be empty, so none of the skills would be available to learn.  All secondaries would be pre-set too, so Squire would effectively be erased from the game.

But since you haven't worked with the job wheel much yet, don't worry about it.  Another solution is for me to overwrite preexisting special classes with the old generic classes.

I can do that without any new ASM hacks as far as I know.

QuoteIf anyone has a good idea to boost other movement ability, post it here.
Currently, it's possible to give movement ability :
1. Initial:Status
2. Always:Status
3. Immune:Status
4. Absorb / Cancel / Half / Weak / Strengthen Element

Interesting! ^_^
Can they also be added to the 3 blank support slots? They have ability IDs 3B, 3E, & 3F.

If you were to add, for example, 1/2 fire to 'Defend' and use the 'All units have Defend' hack would it give all units 1/2 fire? Or does the 1/2 fire only apply if the unit has the 'Defend' ability actually equipped? what I'm getting at is that it might give the 'Defend' ability (not the menu) a new use as a support ability. ^_^

If so I'd like to request these:

ID 3B --> Strengthen all elements.
ID 3E --> 1/2 all elements.
ID 3F --> Immune: Blind, Mute, & Poison.
Defend --> Immune: Confuse, Charm, Sleep, & Innocent.
Equip Change --> Immune: Slow & Stop.
Reflect --> Immune: Petrify, Chicken, & Frog.

On a completely different note... can chicken be modified so that it has a normal duration and the game doesn't remove it based on the amount of brave the affected unit has?

Razele, im actually working on the job wheel, but with all ive got going on...its a little rough, heres what i got

You cant disable squire. it is the base class for everything, it is replaced with a special characters unique class and so forth. basically it looks like a giant variable to be changed at will.

I was experimenting with the job wheel expansion GS code i found a LONG time ago....LD brought it to my attention again a few months ago, at any rate, the jobs seem to let you change into them, but fail to appear on the abilities list...you cant set requirements for these classes and you cant learn skills because they arent listed or selectable...

I thought about having it check for a characters JP and other class relations in a different place, but i havnt had time to mess with it

SB, is there a way to make generic classes overwrite Squire like special classes do?

Without overwriting everything over a preexisting special unit, I mean.

Just a reminder, a few monster have Ignore Height / Fly / Float as innate,
so this change will have effect at monster.

QuoteRazele, im actually working on the job wheel, but with all ive got going on...its a little rough, heres what i got

You cant disable squire. it is the base class for everything, it is replaced with a special characters unique class and so forth. basically it looks like a giant variable to be changed at will.

I was experimenting with the job wheel expansion GS code i found a LONG time ago....LD brought it to my attention again a few months ago, at any rate, the jobs seem to let you change into them, but fail to appear on the abilities list...you cant set requirements for these classes and you cant learn skills because they arent listed or selectable...

I thought about having it check for a characters JP and other class relations in a different place, but i havnt had time to mess with it Sad

Hmm, I'm expecting this. It won't be easy to replace / disable Squire.

QuoteAlso, I was referring to the Books, Razele, Book of Enavia, M - Fiction Book, all those good treasures. If we can harness those... oh the storytelling functions would be incredible!

Can we start with Zodiac Brave Story's Fact section ?
I already tried to enabling it without any success.
Also, any info regarding the Book is appreciated.
I hope the game just disable triangle button function at the other Books.
That will make things easier.

??????

0x0092 : Opens the Brave Story "Fact" section. (contains 8 empty pages in the US version)

    * (0x92000100: to activate it's existence in an event)


QuoteOn a completely different note... can chicken be modified so that it has a normal duration and the game doesn't remove it based on the amount of brave the affected unit has?

Like I already said, status effect that have counter / duration :
Wall, Stop, Slow, Haste, Shell, Protect, Regen, Poison, Death sentence, Reflect, Don't Act, Don't Move, Sleep, Charm, Innocent, Faith.

I have to reallocate other status counter in the new storage area.
If we have 16 units in battle, we need 24 byte * 16 units = 384 bytes of space to store other status counter. That's huge.
Not to mention I have to reset each of the side effect manually, like Chicken :
give back control to the player, set the AI to normal, set the sprite back to normal, etc.

QuoteInteresting! ^_^
Can they also be added to the 3 blank support slots? They have ability IDs 3B, 3E, & 3F.

If you were to add, for example, 1/2 fire to 'Defend' and use the 'All units have Defend' hack would it give all units 1/2 fire? Or does the 1/2 fire only apply if the unit has the 'Defend' ability actually equipped? what I'm getting at is that it might give the 'Defend' ability (not the menu) a new use as a support ability. ^_^

If so I'd like to request these:

ID 3B --> Strengthen all elements.
ID 3E --> 1/2 all elements.
ID 3F --> Immune: Blind, Mute, & Poison.
Defend --> Immune: Confuse, Charm, Sleep, & Innocent.
Equip Change --> Immune: Slow & Stop.
Reflect --> Immune: Petrify, Chicken, & Frog.

At the start of the battle, Float movement ability will give Always:Float.
My initial plan would be to use that function to add the other functionality to other movement ability effect,
So currently, you don't need to be in Defending status to receive Immune:Confuse, Charm, Sleep, & Innocent buff.

QuoteID 3B --> Strengthen all elements.

Personally, I don't think this is appealing.
Strengthen will increase magic attack by 25%
If I'm using Wizard, I either use 108 Gems or X Rod (Strengthen X element) with a combination of Magic Attack Up (increase magic attack by 33%) / Short Charge as support ability.

QuoteID 3F --> Immune: Blind, Mute, & Poison.

Same reason. Support ability is too precious to be used to prevent status immunity.
I prefer to use Accessory slot to prevent status:X, or throw item to cure those status.

QuoteReflect --> Immune: Petrify, Chicken, & Frog.

Doesn't Reflect already reflect those spells ?

There's very little space to be used at Float give Always:Float at the start of the battle routine, so I'll probably merge this hack with Skip's.

Well,  enabling it is rather simple, Zodiac found that first, and when used ingame it does activate Facts page (which is where Memoirs of a Cadet is going to be able to be read)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/LastingDawn/SCUS_94221_17102008_003745_0375.png)

Quote from: "VincentCraven"SB, is there a way to make generic classes overwrite Squire like special classes do?

Without overwriting everything over a preexisting special unit, I mean.

You mean replace a generic unit's squire with something like Holy Knight or even Geomancer? a relinking wouldnt be hard to figure out at all, if and when i find where it would read the default classes used.

Activate Facts and its 24 pages.
The first 7 pages are automatically unlocked through instructions at Orbonne at Chapter 2 start.

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{B0}(rA9010100)
{B0}(rAA010100)
{B0}(rAB010100)
{B0}(rAC010100)
{B0}(rAD010100)
{B0}(rAE010100)
{B0}(rAF010100)
{B0}(rB0010100)
{B0}(rB1010100)
{B0}(rB2010100)
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{B0}(rBB010100)

OR

0x8005791E = 04
0x80057940 = F0 FF FF 0F

QuoteAt the start of the battle, Float movement ability will give Always:Float.
My initial plan would be to use that function to add the other functionality to other movement ability effect,
So currently, you don't need to be in Defending status to receive Immune:Confuse, Charm, Sleep, & Innocent buff.

So you're thinking to modify the routine to check for other R/S/M abilities and then apply certain conditions based on that. That's a good plan. If it works, then with enough space you could add any augments to pretty much any ability you like. ^_^

So Razele,

Are you proficient in disabling menus?

I want to disable the ability to job change.


Asmo and I want to make a patch in which even generic classes only have access to their own class, and have preset RSM/no secondary.

This is almost accomplished by making each unit have lv8 requirement in itself and setting the unit in the ENTD to already have it unlocked.

Unfortunately, Squire is still there.

Because these units need a menu sprite, the only other way I know of around this is to either

 A) swap about 11 special characters with generics and tweak events/battles accordingly.  Considering these units also need to be of the type that has a menu sprite, this method still may not be effective.

 B) set up an exception in which if a unit has Squire as the base class, then there is no base class.  If I understand correctly, this method is way too difficult to make the hack for.

If you don't know how, that's okay.  SB says he'll do it as soon as I find PSXTrace for him.  If all else fails, I'll just have to make Squire into a glitchy nothingness.

okay so i made it so all monsters have innate Beastmaster/Monster Skill equipped

but monsters not next to eachother still seem to be able to cast their 4th level spell (but it doesn't display their 4th skill)

is there a way to make it so that all 4 monster skills always display

The Germonik Scriptures
Is there any period in the game where we can't read this book ?
Which means the game disable the triangle button on this book.
I don't remember that much.

QuoteSo Razele,

Are you proficient in disabling menus?

I want to disable the ability to job change.


Asmo and I want to make a patch in which even generic classes only have access to their own class, and have preset RSM/no secondary.

This is almost accomplished by making each unit have lv8 requirement in itself and setting the unit in the ENTD to already have it unlocked.

Unfortunately, Squire is still there.

Because these units need a menu sprite, the only other way I know of around this is to either

A) swap about 11 special characters with generics and tweak events/battles accordingly. Considering these units also need to be of the type that has a menu sprite, this method still may not be effective.

B) set up an exception in which if a unit has Squire as the base class, then there is no base class. If I understand correctly, this method is way too difficult to make the hack for.

If you don't know how, that's okay. SB says he'll do it as soon as I find PSXTrace for him. If all else fails, I'll just have to make Squire into a glitchy nothingness.

After I make Rad unable to change Class, Rad can't wear any kind of Equipments, like Monster.
Well, it's better if more than one people hack this Class change thing.

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7183/squire1si8.png) (http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9436/squire2io4.png) (http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8977/squire3iv1.png)

Quoteokay so i made it so all monsters have innate Beastmaster/Monster Skill equipped

but monsters not next to eachother still seem to be able to cast their 4th level spell (but it doesn't display their 4th skill)

is there a way to make it so that all 4 monster skills always display

Is that happened to allies with Auto-Battle or with enemies ?

hah. thats still pretty cool razele. I wonder if you can force him to have equipment using the patcher?

it seems to be AI able to use it only

whenever i have a recruited monster he wont have access to his 4th level skill unless i am next to another creature with beastmaster.

but enemy bombs were using firaga which i gave them as their 4th spell even tho they were not even next to another beastmaster. but when you look at their stats they dont display the 4th skill even tho they are selecting it with AI

That there is not, Razele, you can always read the Germonik Scriptures.

That's a pretty useful hack too Raz.

We may be able to get somewhere with that.

It really depends on how monster-like the unit is.

QuoteThat's a pretty useful hack too Raz.

We may be able to get somewhere with that.

It really depends on how monster-like the unit is.

It's still incomplete hack, but you can achieve the same result by changing Squire's skillset to B0 - DF.

Hrmm, i need the Squire to have the correct skillset when its action menu is set to "Katana Inventory"...think you can come up with a fix for the generics and the skillset bug?

As in, if you set geomancer, ninja, samurai, chemist, or lancer to have a different action menu then normal, they glitch up and the attacks have a weapon range with a 00% chance to do nothing... >.< its really limiting my number of classes for SoR

QuoteHrmm, i need the Squire to have the correct skillset when its action menu is set to "Katana Inventory"...think you can come up with a fix for the generics and the skillset bug?

As in, if you set geomancer, ninja, samurai, chemist, or lancer to have a different action menu then normal, they glitch up and the attacks have a weapon range with a 00% chance to do nothing... >.< its really limiting my number of classes for SoR

The menu for DrawOut is probably hardcoded.
I tried to add Cure 2 at Draw Out skillset, and got Defense Ring below Chirijiraden.

The temporary solution for this would be to change Lancer's skillset to other skillset, like 0E Steal or 4D Blank

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8202/stealze0.png)

You still looking for a way to buff the other move skills, Raz? I think you should give Fly 1.5 increased evasion. I think giving it initial:faith or whatever is too strong.

QuoteTwo Hands give double damage, at the cost of Shield / Evasion.
Of course, if people want that in their patch, it's possible to raise that multiplier, but I think Two Hands already quite good.

Well, the idea was to make it so that it competitive with Two Swords. Right now, Two Swords > Two Hands. I want Two Hands to be the superior way to deal damage. However, I think Vincent's idea to nerf Two Swords instead is a much better idea. Should be reduced to 75% each swing.

Well I thought that Defense Ring was very interesting, so I rushed to see what else might appear, needless to say a lot of things did, but unfortunately the game hasn't programmed skills for those "items" to use, therefore it just goes to moving if you use them.

Razele, i shouldve informed you of this bug as well

If you change a Generic class Skillset, it behaves oddly.

If you place one ability in it, learn it and go into battle, your menu will be greyed out.

If you have say, 4. and learn them all itl only learn a few. if you learn just one or 2, you will learn what seems to be random skills, other than what you spent jp on. If you dont learn anything in it, you might go into battle with the skillset mastered....

such strange things. i managed to delve into some BnE snippets and change their register value to be equal so that it would not go to a far away line of code. needless it say it didnt help much before there were to many to keep track of. I did manage to make the weapon range ability with a 00% chance to do nothing, into a green paneled, target only self 00% chance to do nothing

I don't know if this has been asked before, but have you found a way to increase rooster space yet?

QuoteRazele, i shouldve informed you of this bug as well

If you change a Generic class Skillset, it behaves oddly.

If you place one ability in it, learn it and go into battle, your menu will be greyed out.

If you have say, 4. and learn them all itl only learn a few. if you learn just one or 2, you will learn what seems to be random skills, other than what you spent jp on. If you dont learn anything in it, you might go into battle with the skillset mastered....

such strange things. i managed to delve into some BnE snippets and change their register value to be equal so that it would not go to a far away line of code. needless it say it didnt help much before there were to many to keep track of. I did manage to make the weapon range ability with a 00% chance to do nothing, into a green paneled, target only self 00% chance to do nothing

Greyed out ? When I change Lancer's skillset to 0E Steal it seems to working fine in battle. Can you give me some screenshot about what you do ?

QuoteI don't know if this has been asked before, but have you found a way to
increase rooster space yet?

Yes and no. The max number of rooster space is actually 20.
16 for your party and the other 4 is reserved for guest.
If your party is higher than 20, the game won't allow it, since it will overwrite other area.
Ovelia, Mustadio and Agrias join you at the same time in vanilla, so if you change the story event (ditch one of them) you can increase party number by 2 in phase B.

Soldier Office : increase 16 unit limit to 20, phase A
SCUS_942.21
0x4A764 change 0x10 to 0x14

Note : Unit 17-20 join as Guest.

so raz, i should have absolutely no problem if i use this phase A thing
 
for my patch since guests NEVER appear in my menu at all.

so im free to add my 4 new characters then? but how did the psp get up to 24 normal party units and start guests at 25?

Quote from: "Zozma"so raz, i should have absolutely no problem if i use this phase A thing
 
for my patch since guests NEVER appear in my menu at all.

so im free to add my 4 new characters then? but how did the psp get up to 24 normal party units and start guests at 25?

exactly my thoughts...

PSP was essentially a port, but they did have the source code at their hands...they couldve done alot more than what they did

Its not like they ASM'd their way into the old FFT PSX ISO and fumbeled around for 4 years xD

moar space
psx has 2mb ram
psp has 32mb ram

Quoteso raz, i should have absolutely no problem if i use this phase A thing

for my patch since guests NEVER appear in my menu at all.

so im free to add my 4 new characters then? but how did the psp get up to 24 normal party units and start guests at 25?

Nope, that hack isn't perfect. If you recruit 17th unit in Soldier Office, they will join as Guest.

Only problem with that being they are stuck as guests? as in you cant remove them?

Yeah, they behave like Guest Delita & Algus.

(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7697/guest20tc4.png) (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1885/guest201cg5.png)

thats quite a shame, no way to undo this?

Phase B is to fix those problems, and still in progress.

Quotefor my patch since guests NEVER appear in my menu at all.

You don't use "Save Formation" check in fftpatcher ?
Does that mean you give Guest Delita fixed setup ?

yes. i never use "save formation" at all in my patch
you cant edit what your guests learn or have equipped, but they are set to always start on party level in each battle they appear

Hey Razele, would it be possible to hack Transparent status so that units can pass through them, but not stand on the same space? Sort of like dead units occupying spaces.

QuoteHey Razele, would it be possible to hack Transparent status so that units can pass through them, but not stand on the same space? Sort of like dead units occupying spaces.

This one should be possible, since Dead status already do this.

QuoteYou still looking for a way to buff the other move skills, Raz? I think you should give Fly 1.5 increased evasion. I think giving it initial:faith or whatever is too strong.

Yeah, I'm still accepting ideas.
We still haven't talked about other movement skill, like Ignore Height.
Fly can use the Defending trigger to increase evasion.

QuoteIf it were possible to add +move/jump to movement abilities, i'd like to see the +move and +jump abilities conslodated into one set of +abilities. like Move +1 would increase move by, well, +1, and move + 2 would increase move by +2 and jump by +1, and move plus 3 would have the net effect of move +3 and jump +2.

Fly could get Always: Float, and grant immunity to Don't Move, but would add Weak: Wind

Float could grant immunity to Don't Move

Any Ground could also halve earth and water element attacks

Doesn't this will make Fly superior to Float ?

This is the list of movement abilities :

* Move+1
* Move+2
* Move+3
* Jump+1
* Jump+2
* Jump+3
* Ignore Height
* Move-HP Up
* Move-MP Up
* Move-Get Exp
* Move-Get Jp
* Teleport
* Teleport 2
* Any Weather
* Any Ground
* Move in Water
* Walk on Water
* Move on Lava
* Move undrwater
* Float
* Fly
* Silent Walk
* Move-Find Item

Razele, ive been messing with some ideas and Shaded passed out that in the ENTD, some classes should have a set of RSM to choose from...

Its pointless having monk with Weapon Guard or a knight with MA Save right?

Im thinking maybe we could give them a small pool to choose from, and elimenate any useless abilities that would appear when you set a unit to have a random one...

I found where the units RSM are loaded when you go into a battle, but you never really finished helping me learn actually "Making" hacks. all i can really do is find stuff through the debugger. i have no idea how to really make it read its class to jump to an area that will ahve the listed abilities for that class...blah blah blah...like i said, all i can do is find stuff till i actually get help learning this >.<

Edit: i did manage to do SOME things by myself. like i removed some things that can be selected with the randomize command... like if an enemy has weapon guard i made it so he will never equip weapon guard with the randomization... :3 i like to think im learning, and even if im not, the false sense of security kinda helps me get by.

The easiest way would be to redirect each class to its own table list.
Instead of using reaction table's "Chance to learn" in 3005F922 - 3005FA1A we use our own table.
Assuming you only want the Generic class 4A Squire - 5C Dancer (19 class), that means we need
32 * 19 = 608 bytes to store the pool for reaction abilities
32 * 19 = 608 bytes to store the pool for support abilities
26 * 19 = 494 bytes to store the pool for movement abilities
Total : 1,710 bytes

1.3's Table :
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3893/reaction13mw4.png) (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8043/support13kn8.png) (http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2717/movement13qc5.png)


Ex : Samurai's custom table
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4982/samuraisi6.png)

Alright given the that info, it seems a bit clearer, though im still not entirely sure of how to make it read our own table instead of the games default, i understand a jmp instruction will work fine for going to that table, but what code could be overwritten to put space for that jmp, and with that in mind, being careful of its placement because of the read immediate instruction after each branch and jump command... I can experiment, and more than likely will, but id like to save myself a few hours of headaches, if you dont mind explaining to me how to correctly make it read our table and then returning the learned skills...id be pretty thankful ... also if you mentioned something and i missed it, i havnt slept in 3 days, so im running on little energy...just point it out ot me and ill try harder to look at what you wrote.

First, you should get a good rest. Three days without sleep aren't good for your health.

There should be a pointer that read "Chance to learn" table.
Something like this :

r17=0x8005f9e8
lbu r5,0x0002(r17) [Read Weapon Guard's Chance to learn]

That function must be inside a loop, so first you must check if that function load Reaction table only or used to load Ability table too.
Then, just put a jump to the kanji area, and put the percentage learn in the table :
To load our own table, just modify that instruction to :


save r17
lui r17,0x8015
ori r17,r17,0x3848
add r17 with current class and calculate the new address.
lbu r5,0x0000(r17)

load r17


Samurai's table :

          A  B  C  D  E  F
00153848: 00 00 32 00 0A 32
....
....


A = A Save
B = MA Save
C = Speed Save
D = Sunken State
E = Caution
F = Dragon Spirit

raz can you make it so Blind status makes your base hit for everything 50%
including spells?

It really needs to be more crippling than it is normally....

Alright, i understand all that, surprisingly, but how does it know that this is for samurai? we can point to a table but how do we make so it calls it for the right class. would we do a simple lbu and check it against a register, and if its equal go to that things table?

I recognize that it checks for chance to learn and such, and that code seems pretty clean  cut, but there doesnt seem to be any clear indication of what the current enemies class is to check against anything...or am i overlooking something simple or miniscule?

Also, im on a new medicine that is basically FORCING epilepsy while wearing a halter monitor. they are trying to decide if my seizures are really seizures or something (insert two extremely hard to pronounce/spell words) synchopy. it makes it very hard to sleep. but it is one of our last few options.

Quoteraz can you make it so Blind status makes your base hit for everything 50%
including spells?

It really needs to be more crippling than it is normally....

This one shouldn't be too hard.

QuoteAlright, i understand all that, surprisingly, but how does it know that this is for samurai? we can point to a table but how do we make so it calls it for the right class. would we do a simple lbu and check it against a register, and if its equal go to that things table?

I recognize that it checks for chance to learn and such, and that code seems pretty clean cut, but there doesnt seem to be any clear indication of what the current enemies class is to check against anything...or am i overlooking something simple or miniscule?

Also, im on a new medicine that is basically FORCING epilepsy while wearing a halter monitor. they are trying to decide if my seizures are really seizures or something (insert two extremely hard to pronounce/spell words) synchopy. it makes it very hard to sleep. but it is one of our last few options.

Register 19 should contain the base address for character X in battle
You can get the current job with : lbu 0x0003(r19) or just check Register 7

Well, I hope you get in a good condition soon SB.

ummm r19 say what lol... ill never be able to get into asm myself unfortunately

and SB feel better -_-

First off, I hope you feel better, too, SB. My fiance had seizures when she was little and I've heard how bad they are.

Suggestions for Movement skills:

* Move+1 --\
* Move+2 ---| I kinda like Skip's ideas to combine move & jump abilities. I'd distribute the gains on a 1:1 ratio, though.
* Move+3 ---| For example: "Move+1" = +1 move and jump ... "Move+3" = +3 move & jump.
* Jump+1 ---| Maybe make a 4th one out of "Jump+1"; "Jump+1" = +4 move & jump.
* Jump+2 ---| Then clear the move/jump bonus of Jump+2 & Jump+3 and use them for something new.
* Jump+3 --/
* Ignore Height ---> I'd clear this out & use it for something else since a unit with "Motion+4" (Temp name) + base jump + accessories will be more than adequate.
* Move-HP Up ----\ They would be more useful if they each had +1 move & jump.
* Move-MP Up ----/
* Move-Get Exp ---\ Maybe increase EXp & JP gain by 1. Gain 2 Exp &  3 Jp per panel moved respectively.
* Move-Get Jp -----/ These should also be nullified if the unit id afflicted with charm.
* Teleport -----\ These should both have an MP cost as previously discussed. I think it might be simpler to just limit teleport to the player's normal range.
* Teleport 2 ---/ Also, Teleport 2 should be about 2x more expensive than Teleport.
* Any Weather ---> It's normal abilities suck. Give it 1/2 wind, water & lightning to make it more useful.
* Any Ground ---> This should be combined with move on Lava. Then give it 1/2 fire, ice (snow), & earth. Does snow give a movement penalty? If it does this should negate that penalty, too.
* Move in Water ---> This is fine no need to change.
* Walk on Water ---> See above.
* Move on Lava ---> After combining this with Any Ground, it is useless. So I'd disable it's original effect and give it "Auto Haste" + immunity to slow, stop, and don't move.
* Move underwater ---> No change needed.
* Float ---> Give it weak to wind & 1/2 lightning.
* Fly ---> No suggestion. I prefer it as an enemy only skill anyway.
* Silent Walk ---> "Always Invis" + "Ignore Traps"
* Move-Find Item ---> This is fine. Leave it. (You disarm traps and get items from them, right? Shouldn't it be called "Salvage"?)

* Added Katana's chance to break

Thanks to Zodiac's RNG explanation : http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/RNG (http://www.ffhacktics.com/wiki/RNG)
I discovered true Katana's chance to break. It's not fixed at 15%

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2536/katanapt7.png)

This is the original movement ability's bonus from BMG :

[Any Ground] - 220 JP, Geomancer
Normally each square of flowing water you walk through costs you two movement
points instead of one.  With this ability, the movement penalty to walk through
flowing water vanishes.

[Any Weather] - 200 JP, Oracle
Normally, you can walk over marsh sqaures without suffering the water penalty.
However, if it is raining heavily in a marshland, you will face a similar
penalty -- you must use two movement points for every square of marsh you
move over.  If you have Any Weather equipped, that penalty will not take
effect.  In addition, weather effects on magic (increase in Lightning damage
and decrease in Fire damage during thunderstorms) are nullified if the caster
has Any Weather.  This is in a heated battle with Move on Lava for the title
of 'most useless ability'. And another curiosity:  the programmers gave the
Steel Giant class Any Ground and Any Weather inherent, but they also gave
it Cannot enter water inherent, making Any Ground and Any Weather completely
useless! Maybe they intended to program more weather and terrain effects
into the game but never got around to it.

[Cannot enter water] - 200 JP, inherent for several monsters)
You cannot move or stop on squares that are submerged in water.

[Float] - 540 JP, Time Mage
You float 1h above the ground. This has the same effect as the Float status,
except that it allows you to stop on lava squares (the Float status only
allows you to move, not stop, over lava).

[Fly] - 1200 JP, Bard and Dancer
Allows you to fly over all height differences, enemies, and obstacles.
Nullifies fall damage.

[Ignore Height] - 700 JP, Lancer
You are able to jump to any vertical height, regardless of your 'Jump'
stat.  This has no effect on the Lancer's JUMP command.

[Jump +1] - 200 JP, Archer
'Jump' stat + 1.  This has no effect on the Lancer's JUMP command.

[Jump +2] - 480 JP, Thief  
'Jump' stat + 2.  This has no effect on the Lancer's JUMP command.

[Jump +3] - 1000 JP, Dancer
'Jump' stat + 3.  This has no effect on the Lancer's JUMP command.

[Move +1] - 200 JP, Squire
'Move' stat + 1.

[Move +2] - 520 JP, Thief
'Move' stat + 2.

[Move +3] - 1000 JP, Bard
'Move' stat + 3.

[Move in Water] - 420 JP, Ninja
You can move (and stop) on top of water; water is treated like
normal ground.

[Move on Lava] - 150 JP, Geomancer
You can move (and stop) on top of lava; lava is treated like
normal ground.

[Move Undrwater] - 200 JP, inherent for Mindflayer type monsters
You can move (and stop) in water up to 3h deep without penalty.

[Move-Find Item] - 100 JP, Chemist
You can extract hidden items from booby-trapped squares without
triggering the traps. Each square has two items: the odds of getting
one (usually the commoner item) are Br%, and the odds of getting the
other (usually the rarer item) are (100 - Br)%.

[Move-Get Exp] - 400 JP, Calculator
You gain 1 Exp. per panel moved, unless you are afflicted with
Berserk, Confusion, or Blood Suck status.

[Move-Get JP] - 360 JP, Calculator
You gain 2 JP per panel moved, unless you are afflicted with
Berserk, Confusion, or Blood Suck status.

[Move-HP Up] - 300 JP, Monk
Recover RU{MaxHP / 10} HP if you move at least one panel, unless
you are afflicted with Berserk, Confusion, or Blood Suck status.

[Move-MP Up] - 350 JP, Oracle
Recover RU{MaxMP / 10} MP if you move at least one panel, unless
you are afflicted with Berserk, Confusion, or Blood Suck status.

[Silent Walk] - 700 JP, GameShark only
No known effect.

[Teleport] - 600 JP, Time Mage
Able to teleport through obstacles, height differences, units, etc.  
Chance of success is 100% within your Move range and decreases 10%
per extra square you move.  See section 6.7 for details.

[Teleport 2] - 0 JP, inherent for Arch Angel, Holy Angel
Teleport anywhere on the battlefield with 100% success.

[Walk on Water] - 300 JP, Samurai
Ignore water depth; all water is treated like it is 1h deep,
regardless of actual depth. (Doesn't it seem like this should be
called Move in Water, and Move in Water should be called
Walk on Water?)


Thanks for that great explanation of all the movement abilities. Do you think you can edit these so much as to create new movement abilities. An idea I had was:

[Push Through] -
Enemy units no longer block your path and the unit can move past them similar to how they move past friendly units.

If you could add something like that, it would be awesome.

Wouldn't that make Fly useless?

I never thought of that. But fly also has the advantage of ignoring height and obstacles. So "Push Through" would be a lower tier movement skill, or for a physical class instead of a magic class.

Obviously there is a lot of balancing you could do with movement abilities, because in vanilla it's Teleport are Move+2.

I've always wonder why Short Charge doesn't effect Charge. Could it be fixed?

I just remember about Move-MP Up and MP Switch combo. I'll disable Move-MP Up if the unit equip MP Switch.
This should make Move-MP Up available at Oracle and MP Switch at Time Mage.

QuoteMove on Lava ---> After combining this with Any Ground, it is useless. So I'd disable it's original effect and give it "Auto Haste" + immunity to slow, stop, and don't move.

Auto Haste is broken. That's why Excalibur doesn't have it in 1.3

QuoteTeleport 2 ---/ Also, Teleport 2 should be about 2x more expensive than Teleport

I don't think Teleport 2 needs a change.
Teleport 2 is suited for enemies, and player won't get enough MP to do Teleport 2 anyway.

QuoteMaybe make a 4th one out of "Jump+1"; "Jump+1" = +4 move & jump.

4 Move and 4 Jump are too much, they're better than Teleport.

Quote[Push Through]
Enemy units no longer block your path and the unit can move past them similar to how they move past friendly units.

This movement ability can be merged with Silent Walk.

QuoteI've always wonder why Short Charge doesn't effect Charge. Could it be fixed?

I'm sure it can be fixed since there should be a function that check if an ability is affected by Short Charge or not.

I would like to hear other member's opinion about movement ability buff.

Actually, I have an insane idea. What if you could swap places with other units?

QuoteQuote:
You still looking for a way to buff the other move skills, Raz? I think you should give Fly 1.5 increased evasion.

Just quoting myself in case you missed it.

Yeah, I don't miss it. Actually, I like how Fly can increase your evasion by 1.5x

Quote* Move-Get Exp ---\ Maybe increase EXp & JP gain by 1. Gain 2 Exp & 3 Jp per panel moved respectively.
* Move-Get Jp -----/ These should also be nullified if the unit id afflicted with charm.

Current Exp / JP bonus from Move-Get Exp and Move-Get JP are too small. I agree with the idea for increasing their bonus.

QuoteIf it were possible to add +move/jump to movement abilities, i'd like to see the +move and +jump abilities conslodated into one set of +abilities. like Move +1 would increase move by, well, +1, and move + 2 would increase move by +2 and jump by +1, and move plus 3 would have the net effect of move +3 and jump +2.

Adding Move / Jump should be possible in-battle.
Currently, I'm still working to make the bonus visible in Formation Screen.
For some reason, other movement abilities, beside Move+X / Jump+X like Ignore Height bypass function to display movement bonus.

I also like the idea of merging Move+X and Jump+X abilities.
There's almost no reason to use Jump+X, since Move+X is mostly more superior.

QuoteActually, I have an insane idea. What if you could swap places with other units?

I won't know until I test it, but this should cause a graphic glitch since the unit still try to finish their spell animation.

I dislike the whole Float / Fly / Move in X immunity / resistance / weakness to elements thing. Seems gimmicky, but that's just me.

The problem here is not that Ignore Height, Fly, Float, and the others suck.

The problem is that Teleport makes all of them (Except for Move +2 and Move +3) virtually useless.

Teleport's too good.



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A Movement Ability is just that, a Movement Ability.

It's not a Support Ability...

So why are you guys trying to smack elemental attributes and x1.5 evasion bonuses on it?

That's just a cop out of the problem and trying to turn them into Mini-Support skills that go in the Movement Ability slot just to try to make them more useful.

Gimmicky!!!

IMO Teleport should be nerfed somehow, probably increase the chances of failure by 5-10% per extra square. Or re-worked altogether.
Maybe  Teleport could start measuring the failure % Rate based on 3 move, always, regardless of how much move you have. Or both.

Or maybe just get rid of it altogether.

Movement is an important part of the game, but it's made less-relevant by brutally effective Movement skills such as Move +2, Move +3, and Teleport.

IMO Move+X should cap out at Move+1.

Teleport should be MASSIVELY nerfed. And I'm talking massive % fail rates.

And then you'd see hella more use out of Float, Fly, and Ignore Height.




My suggestions:

1) Keep Float as it is.

2) Keep Ignore Height as it is.

3) Get rid of Fly's Ignore Height property.

4) Crush Teleport's % success rates. Then it becomes a mix of Ignore Height AND Fly, but extremely unreliable.

Hell, Teleport should probably have a chance to fail even when you are moving inside your 3 range, just to make up for the powers it gives.

Like... ~25-33% chance to fail within 3 movement range. ~50% + chance to fail beyond 3 movement range.

Something penalizing like that.

Etc etc.

I stand by my earlier thought, Teleport should only let you move withing your normal range. It shouldn't ignore height, either.

I agree with removing the ignore height property from Fly, but I don't think giving Fly an evade boost is a bad idea. Have you ever tried catching something that flies? Not easy. Much less with what would amount to a magical effect such as a human unit with flight would have.

I honestly don't see the use of Ignore Height. There are few maps that need it. And, like I said before, the same net effect can be had from a unit with a high jump value. Any monsters that used to have ignore height can just be given a higher jump base anyway.

Quote from: "Voldemort"A Movement Ability is just that, a Movement Ability.

"Any Weather" and "Any Ground" are pseudo-support skills without adding anything to them.

Quote from: "Voldemort"Gimmicky!!!

Not if it makes sense. A unit with auto-float having a defense against an electrical attack makes sense to me.
A unit with Walk on Lava having immunity to fire makes sense too.

Quote from: "Razele"I also like the idea of merging Move+X and Jump+X abilities.
There's almost no reason to use Jump+X, since Move+X is mostly more superior.

I think it would be better to have a higher ratio of jump bonus to move bonus. Like move+1 & jump+2 instead of a lower amount of jump than move.

The best fixes seem to be the hardest ones to make via hacking.

I agree with Voldemort on most points.  Jump+X would be pretty worthless though vs Fly, and I would propose merging Jump+1 with Move+1, similar to what Razele suggested.  Unless we modified terrain or decreased the base jump stat for most units, Jump+X is usually rather unimportant.

Vanya:  It might be cool to make Fly increase evasion, but is that really the purpose of movement abilities?

Bottom line though, many of these abilities were just thrown in there and Square was like, "These are pretty awesome ideas, let's add in X feature."  I mean, I guess it was cool the first time through when one's lack of knowledge of the game mechanics made it hard, and suddenly you get a unit with some awesome ability, but seriously.

I like FFT's battle system, but I seem to be liking the abilities in it less and less.  Too many, too much overlapping, and too much that completely destroys the fundamentals of strategy.

QuoteVanya: It might be cool to make Fly increase evasion, but is that really the purpose of movement abilities?

QuoteI get what you mean, but evasion is based on your ability to MOVE out of the way of an attack.
I think it makes perfect sense for movement abilities to modify certain other stats.

Thinking about it the Float stat itself should negate or reduce lightning damage, not the skill.
But "Walk on Lava" nullifying fire damage makes perfect sense to me. Think about it you can stand on molten rock with no ill effects, but a little fire makes you cringe? What? That isn't gimmicky, its logical.

And the purpose of movement abilities is whatever we want them to be. That's the beauty of hacking. ^_^

QuoteBottom line though, many of these abilities were just thrown in there and Square was like, "These are pretty awesome ideas, let's add in X feature." I mean, I guess it was cool the first time through when one's lack of knowledge of the game mechanics made it hard, and suddenly you get a unit with some awesome ability, but seriously.

Amen, brother! Not to mention they left so many things half finished or broken completely.

Quote from: "Vanya"I stand by my earlier thought, Teleport should only let you move withing your normal range. It shouldn't ignore height, either.

If no additional penalty for Teleporting units besides removing ignore height is created, it'll still make Fly useless.

QuoteI agree with removing the ignore height property from Fly, but I don't think giving Fly an evade boost is a bad idea. Have you ever tried catching something that flies? Not easy.

It makes more sense to have it on Float... units with Fly only "Fly" when they move, otherwise they land and stand on the ground.


That said, even if you gave evasion bonus to Float instead of Fly, that's still just throwing stuff on the skill. It doesn't do anything for Fly as a Movement Skill.

QuoteI honestly don't see the use of Ignore Height. There are few maps that need it. And, like I said before, the same net effect can be had from a unit with a high jump value. Any monsters that used to have ignore height can just be given a higher jump base anyway.

I agree with this, but that monster base jump is gonna need to be high as hell to make up for the loss of ignore height. Like, 20+ high.

Quote"Any Weather" and "Any Ground" are pseudo-support skills without adding anything to them.

Then think up something movement related for them. Don't turn them into Support Skills.

Something like

Any Weather = Unit gains +3 Jump +3 Move when weather is Rain / Snow / Thunderstorm / whatever


Move in Water = Unit Gains +3 move when moving from a panel that is water


Any Ground = Unit gains +3 speed when standing on Rocky Cliff, Stone Floor, Marshland, Swamp, Sand

Move on Lava = move on lava fucking sucks

etc

QuoteNot if it makes sense. A unit with auto-float having a defense against an electrical attack makes sense to me.

I guess it makes sense, with them, you know, canceling:Earth and all that... but I still think what you are asking for is useless Movement Abilities with extras tossed on them. That's gimmicky, it doesn't make the Movement Ability anymore useful than it actually was (with regards to movement)

QuoteA unit with Walk on Lava having immunity to fire makes sense too.

it makes sense, but it's still doing nothing for Walk on Lava as a movement ability

it's just turning it into a support skill people will equip for elemental immunities

QuoteMy suggestions:

1) Keep Float as it is.

2) Keep Ignore Height as it is.

3) Get rid of Fly's Ignore Height property.

4) Crush Teleport's % success rates. Then it becomes a mix of Ignore Height AND Fly, but extremely unreliable.

Hell, Teleport should probably have a chance to fail even when you are moving inside your 3 range, just to make up for the powers it gives.

Like... ~25-33% chance to fail within 3 movement range. ~50% + chance to fail beyond 3 movement range.

Something penalizing like that.

Etc etc.

The problems with other movement abilities are because they're too weak.
There's no reason to use Jump+X, Any Ground, Any Weather, Move in Water, Move on Lava and Walk on Water
except at specific battle, like Finath River or Bervenia Volcano.

Even if we remove Move+2, Move+3 and Teleport people will pick the best one out of them, Move-Hp UP or Move+1.
And, without the range needed to near the target, melee class (Squire, Knight, Thief, Geomancer at some extent)
is the one that will feel the nerf.

You still won't see people use Any Ground / Any Weather / Float / Move in Water.
We can have the same effect by simply casting Float or wear Feather Boots.

Teleport is already nerfed.
It costs X MP / teleport, 20% penalty / square and you can't move (teleport will fail) if you run out of MP.

Costs : 10 MP / teleport
Lvl 25 Ninja can only move 2 times in battle
Lvl 25 Lancer can only move 1 times in battle
Lvl 25 Samurai can only move 3 times in battle
Lvl 25 Monk can only move 3 times in battle
Lvl 25 Wizard can only move 6 times in battle

Costs : 10 MP / teleport
Lvl 50 Ninja can only move 3 times in battle
Lvl 50 Lancer can only move 3 times in battle
Lvl 50 Samurai can only move 3 times in battle
Lvl 50 Monk can only move 5 times in battle
Lvl 50 Wizard can only move 10 times in battle

If they want to get more MP, they have to wear Robe, and it will be a big blow to their HP / PA / MA.
Robes can only give MP in the range of 10 - 50 max. I don't count Robe of Lords because it's rare.
Wizards need their MP to cast their spell. Three Teleport is almost the same as casting Fire 3.

Anyway, some movement abilities are already pseudo support, like Move-HP Up, Move-MP Up, Move-Get EXP and Move-Get JP.
Why you get HP/MP/Exp/JP for moving ?
And Float : immune to Earth-elemental attacks

[Float]
Appearance:  Character is floating 1h above the ground
Description:  This status is invoked by the 'Float' spell, the accessory
'Feather Boots', or the Move ability, 'Float'.  Characters with 'Float'
will act as if they are stationed 1h above where they are actually
standing.  For example, if a character with Float is standing at height
9, and there is a character at height 7 trying to attack the floating
character with an attack which has a vertical tolerance of 2, he will
be unable to do so because the floater will behave as if he were
standing at height 10.  In addition, floating characters can move over
rugged terrain such as lava and water without penalty to their
movement, and are unaffected by other terrain-based penalties such as
the inability to move in water of depth 2h or greater (a character with
'Float' will float 1h above the water level).  Furthermore, floating
characters are immune to Earth-elemental attacks.  Characters with the
'Float' movement ability (but _not_ those who received the status from
the boots, the Cherche, or from the TIME MAGIC), will be able to stop
over lava.


QuoteThen think up something movement related for them. Don't turn them into Support Skills.

Something like

Any Weather = Unit gains +3 Jump +3 Move when weather is Rain / Snow / Thunderstorm / whatever


Move in Water = Unit Gains +3 move when moving from a panel that is water


Any Ground = Unit gains +3 speed when standing on Rocky Cliff, Stone Floor, Marshland, Swamp, Sand

Move on Lava = move on lava fucking sucks

etc

Yeah, I like some of them. It's logical to make movement abilities gain movement bonus from specific condition.

Personally, i choose jump +3 over move+2

Not many people realize it, but the higher your jump attribute, the farther you can jump from a cliff that is of decent hieght.

Razele, somehow I don't think the MP cost thing is enough.

People will just bring Teleport in anyway, and heal MP as needed.

It's deffinitely worth MP costs... it'll still trump everything else IMHO.

Although it's a step in the right direction...

There's a lot of ad hoc justification going on here to tack some gimmicks onto movement skills.

"Shouldn't Fly have an evasion bonus because it's so hard to catch something that flies?" You can justify just about anything like this. Shouldn't ignore height add evasion for the same reason? I'm sure it would be hard to hit something that could extricate themselves from a situation by jumping 50 feet into the air. Or give it immunity to wind attacks because clearly the jumper is using some sort of wind vortex to jump so high and therefore has an affinity for it. No wait, Ignore height should be vulnerable to wind attacks since the jumper depends on calm air to jump to great heights so accurately.

This is totally the wrong way to approach it. You either resolve movement skills as movement or you let them degenerate into a clusterfuck of random support-like bonuses.

i prefer simply dummy move on lava, combining it with anyground (but no other changes to any ground than just adding in move on lava)

and use the move on lava space to create Move+1 Jump+1
,

honestly i really dont see the need to screw with all these other movement abilities. as far as Float having a weakness to wind which i requested, i think that makes perfect sense especially since it makes units immune to earth attacks (doesnt it?) but thats the float status and not the movement abilitiy anyway, i dont know if the game counts them the same way.

Here are my thoughts on the current movement abilities:

Any Ground: Combine with Any Weather, but element status bonuses. People probably would rarely use it, but it would make a good innate and could be useful and some specific maps. Call it All Terrain.

Any Weather: See above

Cannot Enter Water: Leave alone because it is enemy only. Though you might think about nurfing other movement abilities by making this a part of the ability, such as no flying or teleporting if you are in water.

Float: This is a weird one since it essentially just makes a status effect innate. Plus it makes Any Ground/Weather kind of pointless, not to mention walk on lava, right? I say Float should stay a status effect and this should be replaced with something else. Maybe my Push Through idea since it would give you a very basic bonus of moving past enemy units. I'm undecided on what to do with this movement ability though.

Fly: I  think it should be left alone. It can have the advantage over Teleport that any height can be reached and reducing fall damage.

Ignore Height: Definitely gets defeated by Fly, but since Fly is such a high tier ability I think it can still have a place. I would leave it. Since all the Jump movement abilities are worthless anyways this still has purpose before getting Fly.

Jump +1/3: This will seem odd, but these two are both worthless. 1 is too small of a bonus and 3 is received so late game that it is pointless and Ignore Height is already available. If you wanted to make +3 available earlier in the game maybe it would be worth while, though it would probably be better to make it +4.

Jump +2: Make it available early on like in place of +1 Jump and leave it. In the early game this skill can still be useful to archers even if later on it the game Jump bonuses are hardly ever used.

Move +1: You could give this jump bonuses in an attempt to make it more useful later on. But I think that would undermine the early game balance. Just have to accept that this is an early game skill and will have no use once Move +2 opens.

Move +2: I would still just leave it and not add a jump bonus.

Move +3: I think this is too much and should be removed. By nurfing Teleport a bit everything will be more reasonable and balanced as a whole and there aren't good ways of nurfing this. My only suggestion would be giving it a negative jump value of -1 or -2, but that seems silly.

Move in Water: First off change it to Walk on Water like Razele said. I say leave it. It can have some real uses for Geos and getting across some maps. It will never be a default movement ability but it will have it uses.

Move on Lava: This skill's greatest downfall is that there isn't enough lava in this game. If we make more maps with more lava and had the lava geomancer skill be really powerful it could have some real uses. If your character is out in the middle of a lava pit you can only be hit by ranged attacks unless an enemy also has Move on Lava right? I say leave it.

Move Underwater: This one I don't know much about. Can you not be attacked when underwater and can you take any actions underwater? It could have use as an equipable movement skill. Leave it and maybe add it to a skill set.

Move-Find Item: I'm confused, do only bobby-trapped squares have items or can any square have items? Ideally I would want this skill to only find item, but have no effect on traps. If there is an item on a trap, then get item and trigger the trap.

Move-Get Exp: Seems fine. If you wanted to increase the increments a bit you could, but I wouldn't increase it by much.

Move-Get JP: Seems fine. If you wanted to increase the increments a bit you could, but I wouldn't increase it by much.

Move-HP/MP Up: Seem fine to me. I might making a recommendation so that the amount of HP/MP gained relates to the number of steps taken. Maybe 2% of HP per panel moved. Some people complain about the MP Up trick where you can use it with MP Switch to keep it going longer, but I say that is a problem with MP Switch not this movement ability. Thus with MP Switch it should only cushion the damage the character receives and if the damage is larger than there is MP that then the character should take the remaining damage to their HP.

Silent Walk: I say with this movement skill make it so traps aren't triggered if you walk on them. This is of course if the changes to Move-Find Item I mentioned before are made. It is essentially a blank spot though so whatever people want. This was just another random idea I had for a movement skill but it sounds like what it might have originally been meant to be.

Teleport: So this is the main point of controversy. I think having it have an MP cost is an inventive idea, but I think it would nurf it too much, maybe use that for a new higher level teleport. I think lowering the success percentage outside of the normal movement area is also good, but not by too much (probably needs a bit of testing to get right). My idea for nerfing it the best is to really really limit it's vertical tolerance. Probably relate it to the characters Jump stats. This means that you would still be able to go pretty far and with no movement limitations like characters or obstacles, but that you wouldn't be able to go very high. Maybe even have the skill also subtract -1 or -2 from their jump, then calculate a decrease of success of teleports outside of the normal range in a similar way as moving outside of the normal movement area. This would make it so Fly could really compete with Teleport. Move +2 could also really compete with Teleport because it would give guaranteed increased range. Teleport would still retain it's luck aspect though which really makes it unique. Oh and I think making it so that there was a percentage success for moving to spaces within the characters normal range isn't a good idea and would totally be over nurfing the skill and make it useless.

Teleport 2: This skill is meant to be a cheap advantage to the outnumbered enemy, and is thus fine. This skill would also be super cheap to allow for player characters to have.

Walk on Water: Stupid name and it doesn't seem to do anything different or even better than Move in Water. So I think it is garbage and should be something new.

Teleport 3: This is the only other movement ability idea that I can think of right now. Make it so every square you move decrease your likelihood of success by 5%. Small but it would add up quick, maybe make it 4%. Then have every move cost the same MP regardless of the distance, maybe 5-20 MP I'm not sure. No vertical limits. So this would be a super crazy powerful ability, but with real success limitations and a steep MP cost. Not sure it is really that great but it might be interesting to think about.

I like the idea of situational buffs for some of the weaker movement skills, too.

Any Weather
Nullify all weather related penalties without removing the elemental boosts.
Give more elemental effects for each type of weather so that there's more of a reason to care about removing the elemental penalties.
Thunderstorms already boost lightning by 25% and nerf fire by 25%. Also, snowstorms boost ice by 25%. I'd think that the low temperature & falling snow during a snowstorm would be a good reason to nerf water & fire damage. Since desserts have very hot and dry weather, perhaps something could be added to dessert areas to boost fire and nerf ice & water damage. Rainstorms should boost water and nerf fire. If you want to go a little further there can be modifications for day and night, too. Night already gives an evade boost for units being attacked by arrows. Maybe this could be used to boost holy & nerf dark during the day and vice versa.

Move in Water - Move Underwater
Extra move range while moving in water sounds perfect. The only complication there may be is making sure that it doesn't apply the move bonus when moving from water on to dry land. It should also reduce or nullify all penalties for moving through water. Any Ground should have no affect on this. (Move Underwater should be the same thing, but with it's ability to treat deep water as if it was 3h deep intact.)

Any Ground
This should not have an effect on flowing water. I'd add some penalties for moving on certain terrain like sand, gravel, thick plants, snow & ice. Then I would make "Any Ground" nullify those penalties. Here's a crazy idea! Make it so ice has a chance of causing the fall event. Then "Any  Ground" can nullify that chance to fall on your butt & take damage. I'd still combine this with "Walk on Lava".

Move on Lava
Give it's normal effect to "Any Ground" then make something new with it.

QuoteRazele, somehow I don't think the MP cost thing is enough.

I don't know man, the prospect of being stuck in the middle of a battle without being able to move for a turn or two seems pretty dangerous. Plus you can set the MP cost & MP restored by items yourself.

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Realy useful here, it helps you jump off a cliff, which chances are an enemy isnt floating in mid air to prevent you from moving in the first place. your free to jump to that square way out there in the distance. move +3 can do that cause your jump attribute is still 3

same with ignore hieght. same with fly.

Although as useful as it is if you know what your doing, it is still relativly low a bonus. jump +2, jump + 4, and jump + 5, would be much more useful numbers.

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I noticed! And i think you're right bout that. & speaking about jumping. I think all the ignore height effects should be removed from all skills that have it. It just kills all the jump+X abilities before you ever get jump+3. I'd much rather have the increased jump values like SB suggests, but combined with the move+X skills.

It occurs to me that it may be difficult to add new move effects without overhauling the entire movement system to a degree.

Quote from: "Asmo X"There's a lot of ad hoc justification going on here to tack some gimmicks onto movement skills.

"Shouldn't Fly have an evasion bonus because it's so hard to catch something that flies?" You can justify just about anything like this. Shouldn't ignore height add evasion for the same reason? I'm sure it would be hard to hit something that could extricate themselves from a situation by jumping 50 feet into the air. Or give it immunity to wind attacks because clearly the jumper is using some sort of wind vortex to jump so high and therefore has an affinity for it. No wait, Ignore height should be vulnerable to wind attacks since the jumper depends on calm air to jump to great heights so accurately.

This is totally the wrong way to approach it. You either resolve movement skills as movement or you let them degenerate into a clusterfuck of random support-like bonuses.

Massive agreement.

In case there was any doubt, I agree with Asmo too.

Though until there are more rugged terrain maps, movement will be pretty generic, if you know what I mean.  Maybe make more canyon-type terrian in battles, and flood several maps.  More trees and walls would be cool too. Then we'll have some of those "gimmicky" abilities fixed without having to make them more gimmicky.  Too many of the "difficult" battles have little terrain diversity.

Move on Lava sucks.  Maybe if there was a sidequest in which Ramza and co. went off to fight dragons in lava land, it might be useful.  Otherwise, it should either GTFO or become an elemental support ability.

Same for Any Weather, except replace "dragons in lava land" with "zombies in turbulent marshes."  It's really more like a support ability anyway, but I'm not sure if elemental resistance is the way to go either.

Which reminds me, didn't we get a lead on changing map terrain somewhere?

Asmo and Voldemort bring a good point.
Movement ability should buff the unit's movement or relate to movement, not as pseudo-support (immunity to X, strengthen X, evasion bonus, etc)

QuoteAny Weather = Unit gains +3 Jump +3 Move when weather is Rain / Snow / Thunderstorm / whatever

3 move is enough. +3 Move and +3 Jump will make Jump+3 obsolete.
The original "Any Weather" violate the movement abilities spirit. It shouldn't reduce weather effect on magic.
That will make a Wizard that use Any Weather lost magic damage bonus.

QuoteAny Ground = Unit gains +3 speed when standing on Rocky Cliff, Stone Floor, Marshland, Swamp, Sand

Any Ground is originated from Geomancer, so it fits perfectly with their characteristic.
Instead of speed, maybe it will be more useful if the unit gain -1..4 or 0..3 movement bonus if they stand at certain terrain.
This will cause Any Ground used frequently and require more thinking.

QuoteMove in Water = Unit Gains +3 move when moving from a panel that is water

Move Underwater, Move in Water, and Walk on Water should get +3 bonus when in Water too.

QuoteMove +3: I think this is too much and should be removed. By nurfing Teleport a bit everything will be more reasonable and balanced as a whole and there aren't good ways of nurfing this. My only suggestion would be giving it a negative jump value of -1 or -2, but that seems silly.

Move+3 bonus is too big, it will make other movement abilities obsolete, so it should be for enemies only.

Move on Lava : +3 movement bonus when the unit standing on Lava.

I think the movement bonus on the different terrains is a good plan. Maybe it will have to be lower than +3 though, but it is hard for me to picture how this would actually work.

Yeah.

Movement Abilities that make you use the terrain and think about positioning are always a good thing.

It's the passive easy-to-use shit like Move +3 / Teleport that is a problem and just trumps everything else.

Perhaps you can assign some of them with the following bonuses for movement on terrain:

+ Defense when standing on terrain X

+ HP when standing on terrain X

+ Move when standing on terrain X

+ Speed when standing on terrain X

+ PA / MA when standing on terrain X

etc etc

you can even make a movement skill that turns unit transparent when in certain terrain, ie

Move in Water = Unit becomes undetectable (Transparent) when in water

or

Unit gains Haste when standing on X terrain

just throwing out ideas

Aren't you the one spear-heading the "no pseudo-support for movement abilities" thing? -_-

Adding transparent to "Move in Water" makes no sense since the units will only be up to their waist in water. It would make more sense for it to be given to "Move Underwater". And on top of that you'd be turning "Move in Water" into a pseudo-support.

QuoteThe original "Any Weather" violate the movement abilities spirit.

In that case I'd say either remove it's effect on magic modifiers or split it into a support ability.

QuoteAny Ground is originated from Geomancer, so it fits perfectly with their characteristic.
Instead of speed, maybe it will be more useful if the unit gain -1..4 or 0..3 movement bonus if they stand at certain terrain.
This will cause Any Ground used frequently and require more thinking.

But the only thing Any Ground does is negate penalties for moving through flowing water; which makes no sense. Neither does giving movement bonuses on certain terrain. If that is what you do to it then it isn't "Any Ground" anymore. It's more complex to add terrain penalties and make this negate them, but you'd keep the spirit of the ability without violating the spirit of it being a movement ability.

Besides, giving all the movement abilities a move/jump bonus kinda makes everything a little bland and shortens the lifespan of Move/Jump +1 & +2.

QuoteMove Underwater, Move in Water, and Walk on Water should get +3 bonus when in Water too.

I disagree about "Walk on Water" because it treats water like normal ground; which is enough of a feat on its own. And, I think it would be better to limit the bonus for Move in Water to +1, and Move underwater (which is basically swimming) to +2. I mean do you really want to have Mindflayers zipping around the map like that?

QuoteMove on Lava : +3 movement bonus when the unit standing on Lava.

It would still suck. The fact of the matter is that there's only one map that has lava. This should really be merged with "Any Ground", be given other terrain effects, or make it a useful support ability for the geomaner and other mages by giving it elemental boosts on certain terrain.


Before we go any further with this, can we try to come up with a definition for what a movement ability should be.
Looking over the original set in vanilla I think this is reasonable:

A movement ability is a type of support ability that either directly affects a unit's ability to move or adds a bonus of some kind triggered by the unit using the move skill from the main menu.

Quote from: "Vanya"Aren't you the one spear-heading the "no pseudo-support for movement abilities" thing? -_-

Adding transparent to "Move in Water" makes no sense since the units will only be up to their waist in water.

It was only an example of something that could be done, while still keeping the ability situational to the terrain the unit is standing on. You can have it do something else.

QuoteIt would make more sense for it to be given to "Move Underwater". And on top of that you'd be turning "Move in Water" into a pseudo-support.

You seem to have some confusion between what we are calling Pseudo-Support and a Movement Ability.

Let me clarify a bit.

Pseudo Support = Move on Lava with Fire Immunity tossed on top of it

Movement Ability = Any Ground with the unit gaining X bonus when it is standing in terrain type X.


Pseudo Support means it is used as a support ability, not as a movement ability.

Movement Ability means it affects the unit's movement with regards to the terrain of the map.

A Passive Immunity to Fire (which was your idea) has NOTHING to do with what terrain the unit is standing on, or it's ability to move around the map.

QuoteA movement ability is a type of support ability that either directly affects a unit's ability to move or adds a bonus of some kind triggered by the unit using the move skill from the main menu.

rofl

Quote[On Any Ground] Neither does giving movement bonuses on certain terrain. If that is what you do to it then it isn't "Any Ground" anymore.

Sure it makes sense. The unit with Any Ground will be able to move to move through that particular terrain type with great ease! If this doesn't make sense for a movement ability to you, then I don't know what does. (It makes hella more sense than elemental properties / evasion bonuses, which have zip to do with what a movement ability is)


None of the suggestions we are giving on this are final, stop pretending like they are. (You seem to like debating points as if they were agreed upon and that is how we want Razele to do it.) We're just throwing out ideas, albeit, they are ideas which are way more suited to a Movement Ability than passive evasion bonuses or passive elemental properties.

This:

QuoteMovement Ability means it affects the unit's movement with regards to the terrain of the map.

Directly contradicts this:

QuoteMovement Ability = Any Ground with the unit gaining X bonus when it is standing in terrain type X.

Because of that one little word; "standing". If the effect happens while you are PASSIVELY standing, even if it has to be on a certain terrain, makes it a support effect. That's why I didn't argue for the fire immunity for Move on Lava further.

If we're going to be nazi about this then the only things that the movement abilities can do is negate movement penalties and increase move/jump values. Having transparent while you're standing still in water has NOTHING to do with your unit's ability to move even if its only situational.

By our definitions, all the original move skills are fine except a couple need to have certain effects trimmed off. But if we only did that it would all be much more bland.

Don't get me wrong. A skill that gives terrain bonuses for standing on certain panels is a great idea, but it is a support effect. It wouldn't affect how you move, just where you move. And every single skill and ability in the game affects your decisions on where to move. ^_^

Quote from: "Vanya"This:

QuoteMovement Ability means it affects the unit's movement with regards to the terrain of the map.

Directly contradicts this:

QuoteMovement Ability = Any Ground with the unit gaining X bonus when it is standing in terrain type X.

I don't think it does.

You can have both types of effects and it'll still be a good idea for a movement ability.

I'm pretty sure you know what I meant by both statements, as does everyone (it's pretty obvious). Both types of bonuses are just something you can do to make a movement ability more useful.

QuoteIf we're going to be nazi about this...

There is no "we" here. You are the one being a nazi saying the two above statements supposedly contradict eachother. They don't. Standing or just passing through, a movement related to the terrain is a pretty darn good idea for a movement ability.

QuoteBecause of that one little word; "standing".

Exactly, that's just analism on your part. Probably because you can't argue with anything else.

QuoteIf the effect happens while you are PASSIVELY standing, even if it has to be on a certain terrain, makes it a support effect.

There is a difference between a Passive Effect that is always active (Your Walk on Lava = Fire Immunity idea) and a bonus that is GRANTED when you walk on a terrain type.

That does not make it a support effect!

Support Abilities are Always Active. That is why we called your ideas Pseudo-Support and GImmicky, because they would always be active as long as the Ability was equipped, without regard to terrain type, map, or unit placement, similar to a Support Skill.

QuoteHaving transparent while you're standing still in water has NOTHING to do with your unit's ability to move even if its only situational.

The Transparent bonus itself has nothing to do with movement, but the movement ability providing a bonus that is SITUATIONAL on the terrain type you are standing on is totally related to movement.

Again, the Transparent thing was an example. And although it is not the perfect example, a bonus that is granted by a Movement Ability depending on the terrain type you send the unit to is still a much better idea than what you suggested.

Man, it's like you have nothing left to argue and are just ignoring all my points now.

QuoteBy our definitions, all the original move skills are fine except a couple need to have certain effects trimmed off. But if we only did that it would all be much more bland.

I'm not really trying to define what a Movement Ability is, so much as calling your ideas inferior to the ones I am proposing. Do not confuse the two.

Also Bland > Gimmicky

QuoteAnd every single skill and ability in the game affects your decisions on where to move. ^_^

Sure. That doesn't make them Movement Abilities, though.

Nice try.

QuoteSupport Abilities are Always Active. That is why we called your ideas Pseudo-Support and GImmicky, because they would always be active as long as the Ability was equipped, without regard to terrain type, map, or unit placement, similar to a Support Skill.

Move +1 gives the effect of adding 1 to your movement stat. That is always active without regard to terrain type, map, or unit placement. Does that disqualify it from being a movement ability?

Also, your definition of a support ability is flawed. Martial Arts is only active if the unit is bare handed. Monster Skill is only active if there is a monster is adjacent to your unit.

QuoteThere is a difference between a Passive Effect that is always active (Your Walk on Lava = Fire Immunity idea) and a bonus that is GRANTED when you walk on a terrain type.

QuoteThat's true. Which is the problem. You're shooting down ideas that have passive effects and offering up ideas that have a situational passive effect as if it wasn't basically the same thing. Getting a status for standing on a terrain (Your Move in Water = Transparent Status) is not a bonus that is GRANTED when you walk on a terrain type. It's a bonus granted for stopping on terrain type. And that does contradict your statement.

Quote from: "Vanya"

QuoteSupport Abilities are Always Active. That is why we called your ideas Pseudo-Support and GImmicky, because they would always be active as long as the Ability was equipped, without regard to terrain type, map, or unit placement, similar to a Support Skill.

Does that disqualify it from being a movement ability?

No, because it's adding +1 to your Move stat. Does it make it a very very efficient movement ability because it's not situational? Yes it does.. that's why we want to get rid of +3 and +2.

QuoteAlso, your definition of a support ability is flawed. Martial Arts is only active if the unit is bare handed. Monster Skill is only active if there is a monster is adjacent to your unit.

How does that make it flawed? Martial Arts is active all the time, and it boosts bare fists. If you bring Martial Arts with Punch Art and a Sword, Martial Arts is still granting the bonus to your PA (Punch Art).

This will happen whether you are running on bare fists or not.

Monster Skill is always active, but it only reaches units that are adjacent.

They are both always active.

Perhaps you need to read up on how Martial Arts and the like work?


Again, my goal here is not to try to perfectly define anything, just to show you that your perma bonus ideas for Movement Skills are gimmicky and bad.

QuoteThat's true. Which is the problem. You're shooting down ideas that have passive effects and offering up ideas that have a situational passive effect as if it wasn't basically the same thing.

It's not.

Situational Passive Effect That only works when Standing / Moving on X Terrain Type   =/=  Permanent Passive Effect.

QuoteGetting a status for standing on a terrain (Your Move in Water = Transparent Status) is not a bonus that is GRANTED when you walk on a terrain type. It's a bonus granted for stopping on terrain type. And that does contradict your statement.

How does that contradict anything?

It's a situational bonus from when you step on some terrain types.

Standing on a terrain type or walking on top of it, a bonus that is provided situationally dependent on terrain would make a killer movement ability.

If you want to pretend that just because the idea involved standing on a terrain type panel somehow makes it bad, then have fun with that. I guarantee you people will vote on the terrain idea more than the permanent bonuses you suggested.

Again, how does "standing on X Terrain type" detract from it being a good idea for a movement ability?

HOW does that contradict ANYTHING I've sad?

It doesn't.

QuoteHOW does that contradict ANYTHING I've sad?

How? Because you said this:

QuoteA Movement Ability is just that, a Movement Ability.

And bonuses for standing on a certain terrain are no more about movement than Monster Skill, because despite what you want to believe Monster Skill is not always in effect. The game is always checking for a certain type of unit and applying a change to that unit in the right situation the same way that a terrain based skill would always be checking for a certain terrain and then apply a change to the host unit when in the right situation.

QuoteSituational Passive Effect That only works when Standing / Moving on X Terrain Type =/= Permanent Passive Effect.

It's not EXACTLY the same, but it is close enough. Standing  on a specific terrain is not about movement. It's about getting to a better position. And getting into a better position is what the entire game is about. Getting a movement bonus when you have Move in Water doesn't contradict the movement idea because you're making the whole skill about moving through water faster. (Which nullifying the water penalties already does, btw.) Point being is that you're still shooting down an idea because you say it can be used as a support skill and offering up something that is clearly better as a support ability and slapping a move bonus on it. I could understand a slope giving you momentum to go farther, but why would grass, stone, or whatever make you move farther? And don't say because it's magick.

QuoteStanding on a terrain type or walking on top of it, a bonus that is provided situationally dependent on terrain would make a killer movement ability.

Only if it makes any kind of sense. Other wise it is also gimmicky. If you want terrain to have more of an impact it would make more sense to give terrain itself movement penalties and maybe boosts in the right kind of situation. Then have a movement skill that can ignore those penalties.

QuoteIf you want to pretend that just because the idea involved standing on a terrain type panel somehow makes it bad, then have fun with that.

I never said that it was a bad idea. I said it doesn't make it a good movement ability if you're just standing and not moving.

QuoteI guarantee you people will vote on the terrain idea more than the permanent bonuses you suggested.

And this is where you're really mistaken. This isn't up to a vote. We're not trying to decide what changes to make in a specific hack. We're supposed to be giving Razele ideas about what hacks he should work on. And with that said I'm done with this argument. We've derailed this topic long enough. ^_^

Quote from: "Vanya"

QuoteHOW does that contradict ANYTHING I've sad?

How? Because you said this:

QuoteA Movement Ability is just that, a Movement Ability.

And bonuses for standing on a certain terrain are no more about movement than Monster Skill,

Wtf?  Bonuses for standing on certain terrain are ALL about movement!

They require you to stand on specific terrain, which actually opens up a pretty good level of strategy because you have to MOVE to specific terrains to get the bonuses.

This would be epic for the Geomancer's movement ability.

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Just because the ability doesn't change the way the unit actually moves doesn't mean it's not a movement ability.

Move +1 doesn't change the way the unit moves (like Fly or Teleport does), but it's a movement ability.

You keep trying to disprove stuff with semantics on what a movement ability is and what it's not, but you cannot seem to grasp that that was never really the point of my argument, but saying that your ideas suck and that the ones suggested after are good ideas for movement skills, is.

QuoteStanding  on a specific terrain is not about movement.

It's not? lol

QuoteIt's about getting to a better position. And getting into a better position is what the entire game is about.

Yes, which is why making a movement ability give you bonuses (of whatever kind you want them to) is a good idea, because it'll promote positioning of units (possibly based on terrain types), and different movement abilities will be better on different terrains.

Which is alot more than I can say for Perma: Evasion bonus and Perma: Elemental Immunity.

That shit is active all the time, and promotes nothing even close to related to movement, placement, terrain, OR strategy. It's just active all the time... like... like a SUPPORT ABILITY.

It's like, your position is impossible to defend and watching you try is growing meme-funny.

QuotePoint being is that you're still shooting down an idea because you say it can be used as a support skill and offering up something that is clearly better as a support ability and slapping a move bonus on it. I could understand a slope giving you momentum to go farther, but why would grass, stone, or whatever make you move farther? And don't say because it's magick.

Again, I have to explain the difference between a bonus that is active all the time (Walk on Lava - Always: Immunity to Fire) and something like Any Ground - + Whatever when standing on X terrain.

One is always active.

One requires the unit to be in a specific terrain.

Yes, they both grant bonuses (that's the point, to give people an incentive to use them... we do this with benefits for the unit, to give an incentive so the ability sees use)... but they are not the same.

Not even close to "almost the same".

It's like saying 1 is the same as 9.

QuoteOnly if it makes any kind of sense. Other wise it is also gimmicky.

It makes more sense to have a movement ability grant a bonus based on terrain or where the unit stands than have a movement ability grant a permanent bonus.

If you think my idea is gimmicky, then yours is a cheap car salesman. ^_^

QuoteI never said that it was a bad idea. I said it doesn't make it a good movement ability if you're just standing and not moving.

Not all of them have to provide bonuses based on where you are standing.

QuoteAnd this is where you're really mistaken. This isn't up to a vote. We're not trying to decide what changes to make in a specific hack. We're supposed to be giving Razele ideas about what hacks he should work on.

Yes this is about giving Razele ideas for ASM hacking, however I'll be damned if his effort goes to waste on lolflyEvasionBonus and lolLavaFireImmunity!!!!

You know when I think an idea is trash I will call it out, unlike alot of people.

QuoteAnd with that said I'm done with this argument. We've derailed this topic long enough. ^_^

Not derailing at all.

It's important that ideas that are a waste of time are identified and scratched out, otherwise Razele will spend time working on fixes which are not only gimmicky, but sub-parrrrrrrRRRereerrrrr.

Ideas thrown around on chat:


Move-Get-JP --->   Disperse idea by Asmo
Cancels Blind, Confuse, Frog, Berserk, Poison, Slow, Death Sentence when the unit moves.

QuoteMove-HP/MP Up: Seem fine to me. I might making a recommendation so that the amount of HP/MP gained relates to the number of steps taken. Maybe 2% of HP per panel moved. Some people complain about the MP Up trick where you can use it with MP Switch to keep it going longer, but I say that is a problem with MP Switch not this movement ability. Thus with MP Switch it should only cushion the damage the character receives and if the damage is larger than there is MP that then the character should take the remaining damage to their HP.

2% HP / square seems like a nerf.
The original bonus is 10% MaxHP / move.
Since you will equip Move-HP Up, your Move should be around 3 or 4, and I don't think 6% - 8% is enough.

QuoteI think the movement bonus on the different terrains is a good plan. Maybe it will have to be lower than +3 though, but it is hard for me to picture how this would actually work.

Bonus type / numbers can be discussed / customized.
It's not that hard to imagine how this would work. Examples :

Ramza has 3 Move, 4 Jump and equip Any Ground as movement abilities.
Let's assume "Sand area" gives -1 movement penalty, and Brick gives +1 movement bonus.

When Ramza stands on "Sand area", his movement is reduced by 1 to 2
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/66/anyground2oc1.png)

When Ramza stands on "Brick", his movement is increased by 1 to 3.
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4274/anyground1hy8.png)

QuoteMove in Water = Unit becomes undetectable (Transparent) when in water

It's possible, I can use "Poisoned Marsh" trigger.

Some ideas for Jump+X :
Jump+X abilities are perfect for class that mainly use ranged weapons, like Bow, Crossbow, Gun, Instrument, Dictionary
to reach a higher place.

Jump+1 : Increase attack power by 20% if the height difference between you and target >= 3
Jump+2 : Increase attack power by 25% if the height difference between you and target >= 4
Jump+3 : Increase attack power by 30% if the height difference between you and target >= 5

As usual, numbers can be discussed.

QuoteMove-Get-JP ---> Disperse idea by Asmo
Cancels Blind, Confuse, Frog, Berserk, Poison, Slow, Death Sentence when the unit moves.

This ability can have some use, especially against Zodiac boss with lots of status ability.

That's awesome.

And the Jump Attack Power bonus is a great idea too.

Anything that promotes different positioning across terrain = good.

Disperse, whilst a great idea is a bit overpowered. It's essentially a passive version of the Monk Cleanse / White Mage dispel. What would be the point of those statuses if that would be all that would be equipped? It's essentially immunity. It may hinder for one round, but that's about it.

Also, I know you have a lot on your plate (no it's nothing to do with the books this time...) But I was wondering if you could enable skill usage in Frog status? This would work great for my Mini status, I have planned.

Quote from: "tithin"Disperse, whilst a great idea is a bit overpowered. It's essentially a passive version of the Monk Cleanse / White Mage dispel. What would be the point of those statuses if that would be all that would be equipped? It's essentially immunity. It may hinder for one round, but that's about it.

I disagree on it being overpowered, especially because it doesn't exist yet

(it's just an idea)

the statuses it actually ends up dispelling are up for debate and are not final

also keep in mind that this eats up your movement slot, so whatever it ends up protecting against, that's all you're movement slot is going to be good for

if you are facing an enemy that doesn't even use the statuses that it cancels, it becomes useless

QuoteWhat would be the point of those statuses if that would be all that would be equipped?

huge generalization tharr

statuses won't lose their purpose just because of a skill like this

especially because it cannot protect vs Petrify, Death, Stop, Don't Move, etc

you talk like suddenly every unit has Disperse innate, or that it would be automatically preferred over things like Teleport or Move +

Quote from: "Voldemort"I disagree on it being overpowered, especially because it doesn't exist yet

(it's just an idea)

I'm aware, and I'm merely providing feedback on it in its current form

Quotealso keep in mind that this eats up your movement slot, so whatever it ends up protecting against, that's all you're movement slot is going to be good for

True, however in a case where you have passive protection vs. a lot of statuses, against move+1 (as I recall, you stated you were trying to remove move+2 / 3) something like disperse would be heavily favoured.

Quoteif you are facing an enemy that doesn't even use the statuses that it cancels, it becomes useless[/quoted]

Noted.

Quotehuge generalization tharr

statuses won't lose their purpose just because of a skill like this

especially because it cannot protect vs Petrify, Death, Stop, Don't Move, etc

They won't lose their purpose, but their purpose would suddenly become very limited.

Quoteyou talk like suddenly every unit has Disperse innate, or that it would be automatically preferred over things like Teleport or Move +

See my previous statement.

Again, not criticising, merely sharing my thoughts on the skill. I like it, just concerned is all.

Lasting_Dawn idea:

FFTA Stat Breaking / Buffing System

Create 6 new Statuses, all with a duration, they cannot stack with their same type of status:

1) Strengthen (Boost) + % PA Increase
2) Enlighten + MA % Increase
3) Invigorate + SP % Increase

4) Weaken - % PA Decrease
5) Psychodrain - % MA Decrease
6) Lead Bones - % SP Decrease

just examples

that is how FFTA does it, so you can have stat boosting / breaking without fear of stacking to become too strong

this would replace SP, PA, and MA alteration effects

QuoteYes this is about giving Razele ideas for ASM hacking, however I'll be damned if his effort goes to waste on lolflyEvasionBonus and lolLavaFireImmunity!!!!

QuoteIt's important that ideas that are a waste of time are identified and scratched out, otherwise Razele will spend time working on fixes which are not only gimmicky, but sub-parrrrrrrRRRereerrrrr.

You're intitled to your opinions, as we all are. However, Razele's effort will go to whatever he wants, regardless of our opinions. It isn't your place or anyone else's to dictate to anyone what to do with their time and effort. Further more, I'll be be damned if I sit idle while anyone tries to do such a thing. Good day, sir. ^_^



Suggestions for Movement skills REVISED:

* Move+1 ---> +1 move, +2 jump.
* Move+2 ---> +2 move, +3 jump.
* Move+3 ---> +3 move, +4 jump.
* Jump+1 ---> Free space.
* Jump+2 ---> Free space.
* Jump+3 ---> Free space.
* Ignore Height ---> Free space.
* Move-HP Up ---\ The restoration amount is fine. However...
* Move-MP Up ---/ The effect should be canceled by charm, instead of blood suck. And a fix for MP Switch should go with it, too.
* Move-Get Exp ---\ Gain +2 EXP/+3 JP per panel instead of +1/+2.
* Move-Get Jp -----/  The effect should be canceled by charm, instead of blood suck.
* Teleport ---> Already hacked. Consider revising so that MP cost doesn't affect units that have teleport innate. See Fly for details.
* Teleport 2 ---> No change.
* Any Weather ---> Remove it's ability to null weather effects on magic & consider adding more weather related penalties for specific terrain.
* Any Ground ---> New name to reflect what it actually does. "Move in Water"
* Move in Water [420 JP, Ninja]---> No need to change it at all. New name to reflect what it actually does. "Walk on Water"
* Walk on Water [300 JP, Samurai]---> +1 move while in water to even it out with the ninja's water ability. New name to reflect what it actually does. "Swim"
* Move on Lava --->Consider adding additional terrain penalties for it to nullify. If so, new name to reflect what it actually does. "Any Ground"
* Move underwater ---> Make it similar to samurai's water ability, but have it treat all deep water as if it were 3h deep. Also, if unit is in water that is 3h deep it gets transparent status.
* Float ---> No change needed, but but consider giving float status weak vs wind.
* Fly ---> Remove ignore height feature. Give it an MP cost per move, unless the unit has it innate. This way monsters with wings can be free of an MP cost. Can you check for the skill being innate instead of equipped?
* Silent Walk ---> "Always transparent" + "Ignore Traps" + "Move through enemies".
* Move-Find Item ---> Remove it's ability to disarm traps.

This gives 4 free slots for completely new movement skills. Lets see...

QuoteHowever, Razele's effort will go to whatever he wants, regardless of our opinions. It isn't your place or anyone else's to dictate to anyone what to do with their time and effort.

Razele's efforts go to what he thinks are good ideas, by the looks of it.

You got owned. Now gtfo gimmick man!

I like the idea of status based buffs/debuffs, but aren't invigorate and lead bones already covered by Haste and Slow respectively?
berserk could lose the control loss and become the pa buff, but what of the other three statuses? Would they have to be made from sctrach, or override other existing statuses, and if so, which ones?

Quote from: "Skip Sandwich"I like the idea of status based buffs/debuffs, but aren't invigorate and lead bones already covered by Haste and Slow respectively?

yeah they are

you're right

those 2 are pointless

I just put it there to provide the alternative to the stack fest that is Speed Break / Boost

but Slow and Haste are alot better and more balanced (except that damn vanilla haste lasts so damn long)

You keep speaking as if I suggested more than one thing that could be gimmicky, boy. (Which I already conceded.) And anyway...
...I said, "Good Day"!**

**I totally knew he'd give me the opportunity for a "That 70's show reference!" ^_^

QuoteSome ideas for Jump+X :
Jump+X abilities are perfect for class that mainly use ranged weapons, like Bow, Crossbow, Gun, Instrument, Dictionary
to reach a higher place.

Jump+1 : Increase attack power by 20% if the height difference between you and target >= 3
Jump+2 : Increase attack power by 25% if the height difference between you and target >= 4
Jump+3 : Increase attack power by 30% if the height difference between you and target >= 5

As usual, numbers can be discussed.

That's a great idea. It will balance out the jump bonuses, especially if you give it a little increase when combined with the move bonuses.

Quote from: "Vanya"You keep speaking as if I suggested more than one thing that could be gimmicky, boy. (Which I already conceded.) And anyway...
...I said, "Good Day"!**

???

I am speaking as if you suggested a gimmick (and you did)

I am not claiming you suggested multiple gimmicks, the amount is irrelevant

the point was that it was a bad idea

just be glad Razele won't be using it

Quote**I totally knew he'd give me the opportunity for a "That 70's show reference!" ^_^

lame

Idea for ignore height: Damage bonus depending on the height of the terrain you are attacking from.

Support skill: Increase duration of positive status/Decrease duration of negative status.
Status effect: increase move/decrease move
Movement skill: 50 CT bonus towards next turn when stopping in water

Movement Skill: You absorb the elemental property of the terrain you are standing on and / or Your weapon attacks become the elemental property of the terrain you are standing on.

Support Skill: Your target's elemental resistances are lowered by one degree (FFTA.) If target Absorbs, it now Halves, if target Halves, it no longer Halves, if target isn't resistant, it is now Weak. If target is Weak, it is now Very Weak.

Movement Skill: Attempts to knock back every unit standing on the adjacent panels of your destination.

Movement Skill: When the unit's move causes a Jump to trigger (the actual jump animation is required to move to destination), unit gains 50 CT.

that first support skill you mentioned just now about gaining the element of the terrain sounds like a pretty sweet geomancer support skill

Random hack idea: Items broken in battle are restored afterwards

i guess if that hack were made then maintenance loses half of its usefulness.. but then again, since divine sword still cant hit with it on... its a defense against some of the shrine knights

Breaking items in battle should be a strategic choice contained in the battle itself, not something that continues to fuck you afterwards. In that sense Maintenance is still useful

Would it be possible to alter the range of spears so that they can attack the diagonals?

Related support ability idea: Attack range +1

Quote from: "tithin"Disperse, whilst a great idea is a bit overpowered. It's essentially a passive version of the Monk Cleanse / White Mage dispel. What would be the point of those statuses if that would be all that would be equipped? It's essentially immunity. It may hinder for one round, but that's about it.

This is a movement skill and as such doesn't directly compete with skill-based heals. The benefit of not taking Disperse into battle and relying on Stigma or Esuna is that your movement slot can be used for teleport or move+3 or something.

Can you make move bonuses and move penalties as complex as FE4, I wonder?

Like, it doesn't matter where you start but what squares you move through?

Actually nvm, there's nothing like this in the game already, so this would be really difficult.  Having move reduced while on sand by 1 or 2, and move increased on tiles such as brick by 1 are cool ideas.

I like adding movement penalties/bonuses to terrain, but what surfaces would actually merit a movement boost? There are plenty that I can see giving a penalty. My only other concern is that the terrain only give bonuses/penalties while moving through the same type of terrain, otherwise it becomes kind of silly. Brick shouldn't give a bonus for moving through sand, right?

Here's the list of terrains that have a corresponding Elemental skill from the BMG:

Natural Surface
Road
Wasteland
---> Pitfall (No Element/Don't Move)
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Waterway
River
Lake
Sea
Waterfall
---> Water Ball (Water / Frog)
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Grassland
Thicket
Water Plant
Ivy
---> Hell Ivy (No Element / Stop)
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Gravel
Stone Wall
Stone Floor
Tombstone
Mud Wall
---> Carve Model (No Element / Petrify)
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Rocky Cliff
Lava Rocks
---> Local Quake (Earth / Confusion)
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Book
Tree
Brick
Moss
Bridge
Furniture
Iron Plate
Coffin
---> Kamaitachi (Wind / Don't Act)
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Wooden Floor
Rug
Box
Stairs
Deck
---> Demon Fire (Fire / Sleep)
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Swamp
Marsh
Poisoned Marsh
---> Quicksand (Water / Death Sentence)
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Sand Area
Stalactite
Salt
---> Sand Storm (Wind / Darkness)
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Snow
Ice
---> Blizzard (Ice / Silence)
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Roof
Sky
Chimney
---> Gusty Wind (Wind / Slow)
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Lava
Machine
---> Lava Ball (Fire / Dead)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not sure if it covers every type of terrain, but it's a good start.

Quote from: "Zozma"that first support skill you mentioned just now about gaining the element of the terrain sounds like a pretty sweet geomancer support skill

That would make a pretty good support skill. Should something like this also have weaknesses added to give it some risk too? Like if the unit is standing on Snow and absorbs the ice element to attack they also become weak against fire in the process?

Well vanya that weakness makes sense... most maps have more than one or two terrain types...

You could have water element one second because your in water, or earth the next cause you move to the grassland.

Its a variable kinda thing.... and it can kinda change....

Take barius valley right below lionel castle

you fight panthers and squids at the same time often

In the water, you do less damage to squids. on the grass you do more damage to panthers.

gravel should be earth too, theres already not enough earth, wind and water stuff

there may not be many types of earth

but grass is the most common tile in most maps

Some support skill ideas from FFTA/2:

*Half MP - Nerf it a bit by reducing damage & accuracy.
*MP Turbo - 2x MP consumption, for increased damage & accuracy spells. Should give no net bonus if combined with Half MP.
*Piercing Magick - Spells ignore reflect, but have decreased damage & accuracy.
*Item Lore - Increase item effectiveness.
*Blood Magick - Use 5x HP to cast spells instead of MP.
*MP Attack - Normal attacks consume MP to increase damage.
*Stasis - Immune to most buffs and debuffs.

Some ideas from or inspired by WildARMs XF:

*Tactical Evasion - Increase evasion based on the number of empty spaces adjacent to unit.
*Resting - Heal HP when using the wait command. If one action or movement is used before wit effectiveness is at 50% reduction. If both an action and a movement is used then effectiveness is at 100% reduction. Should heal more than "Move - HP up", say 20% of current HP.
*Accretion - Same as above, but for MP.
*Detect - Reveals hidden items and traps. (It may be difficult to add, but maybe make it so that items appear as green panels and traps as yellow panels?)

Some ideas from other FF games:
*Cover - Randomly take damage for adjacent critical allies.
*Final Attack - If HP is reduced to 0, unit gets a chance to automatically perform a final basic attack on the attacking unit.
*Sneak Attack - Increased damage when attacking from behind.
*Elementalist - Increase effectiveness of elemental attack items (balls). Maybe balls could be added to the normal Items list as a side hack?

Quote* Move+1 ---> +1 move, +2 jump.
* Move+2 ---> +2 move, +3 jump.
* Move+3 ---> +3 move, +4 jump.

This will make the Move+X ability too powerful.

Quote* Move-Get Exp ---\ Gain +2 EXP/+3 JP per panel instead of +1/+2.
* Move-Get Jp -----/ The effect should be canceled by charm, instead of blood suck.

This is just me, but I think those abilities should be replaced with other function.
Move-Get Exp become obsolete when you're in level 99.
Move-Get JP become obsolete when you master every Job.
There's no real advantage to use it in serious battle, like Deep Dungeon / story battle / zodiac boss.
You can get more EXP / JP by hitting your enemies anyway.

Quote* Any Weather ---> Remove it's ability to null weather effects on magic & consider adding more weather related penalties for specific terrain.
* Any Ground ---> New name to reflect what it actually does. "Move in Water"
* Move in Water [420 JP, Ninja]---> No need to change it at all. New name to reflect what it actually does. "Walk on Water"
* Walk on Water [300 JP, Samurai]---> +1 move while in water to even it out with the ninja's water ability. New name to reflect what it actually does. "Swim"
* Move on Lava --->Consider adding additional terrain penalties for it to nullify. If so, new name to reflect what it actually does. "Any Ground"

Still, there's no incentive to use those abilities above rather than Move+1.
Yes, they need a change. Without a specific bonus, I won't use Move in Water even in Finath River.
Just avoid water terrain and use Move+3.
No need to enter into water and just wait until your enemies come, and receive movement penalty when they're in water.

I still prefer Any Ground to give +bonus when you stand in certain terrain.
That way there's a reason to use Any Ground rather than Move+1.

Quote* Move underwater ---> Make it similar to samurai's water ability, but have it treat all deep water as if it were 3h deep. Also, if unit is in water that is 3h deep it gets transparent status.

Water with 3h deep is very rare. I still prefer you get instant bonus at the time you move into water.

Quote* Move-Find Item ---> Remove it's ability to disarm traps.

Not possible. It's either you got the item or you got the trap.

QuoteFly ---> Remove ignore height feature. Give it an MP cost per move, unless the unit has it innate. This way monsters with wings can be free of an MP cost. Can you check for the skill being innate instead of equipped?

Due to the change in other movement abilities, I think Fly can stay as is. Fly is now a Teleport within your movement range and without MP cost.

Quote* Silent Walk ---> "Always transparent" + "Ignore Traps" + "Move through enemies".

Always transparent isn't a good idea. It's like a pseudo support.
Basically, Transparent gives free Concentrate. Without doing anything, you got 100% accuracy bonus.
It violates movement ability spirit.

QuoteIdea for ignore height: Damage bonus depending on the height of the terrain you are attacking from.

A good idea, this will make Ignore Height used more often.
Maybe something like this :
Increased A% damage per B height.
Starting bonus damage = C%
Bonus start at height D and max bonus damage is capped at E%.

It's necessary to make player can choose between Jump+X for 20% / 25% / 30% bonus damage or Ignore Height for another damage mechanism.
It's a bit complicated, let me know if anyone has a good idea for mechanism of Ignore Height bonus.

Quoteincrease move/decrease move temporary

Possible, the concept should be the same as Any Ground.

QuoteAlso, I know you have a lot on your plate (no it's nothing to do with the books this time...) But I was wondering if you could enable skill usage in Frog status? This would work great for my Mini status, I have planned.

I successfully enabled frogged unit's skillset, but there's a different function for AI, that I haven't found.

QuoteMovement skill: 50 CT bonus towards next turn when stopping in water

This skill should be merged with Move in Water / Walk in Water / Move Underwater.
One of them, not all of them.
Still, +50 seems a bit high. You can make an Archer equip Move in Water, go into Water, act and shoot, then wait.
It will give you +20 CT. with +50 CT bonus, you'll get +70 CT. Combine that with Haste, and you get a double turn.
+30 CT bonus is enough.

QuoteMovement Skill: When the unit's move causes a Jump to trigger (the actual jump animation is required to move to destination), unit gains 50 CT.

+50 CT is a bit too high. See the reason I give above.

QuoteRandom hack idea: Items broken in battle are restored afterwards
Breaking items in battle should be a strategic choice contained in the battle itself, not something that continues to fuck you afterwards. In that sense Maintenance is still useful

Agree. Maintenance should be an option, not a support ability that always be equippped when you encounter Divine Knight / Knight.
Usually, a broken Chaos Blade / Maximillian in battle will result at instant reset, but not anymore.

QuoteMovement Skill: Attempts to knock back every unit standing on the adjacent panels of your destination.

I don't know if it's possible or not. Probably not, since Knockback mechanic isn't fully understood.

QuoteSupport Skill: Your target's elemental resistances are lowered by one degree (FFTA.) If target Absorbs, it now Halves, if target Halves, it no longer Halves, if target isn't resistant, it is now Weak. If target is Weak, it is now Very Weak.

It's too powerful and better than Magic Attack Up.
'Weak' element will increase magic damage by 100%. Magic Attack Up will increase magic damage by 33%

QuoteMovement Skill: You absorb the elemental property of the terrain you are standing on and / or Your weapon attacks become the elemental property of the terrain you are standing on.

The advantage when your weapon has elemental attribute is when the target is monster that weak against element X (100% bonus damage).
Or, you equip Accessory with Strengthen X which will increase attack power by 25%.
You can also attack your allies that absorb element X and heal them at the same time.
Seems pretty nice.

QuoteThat would make a pretty good support skill. Should something like this also have weaknesses added to give it some risk too? Like if the unit is standing on Snow and absorbs the ice element to attack they also become weak against fire in the process?

Nope, giving the unit that equip that movement ability weakness X Element if they stand in terrain X would be a pretty big nerf.
They will get destroyed with Wizard's elemental magic.
If you see the above explanation, the only non-random bonus with Element would be only if you equip item like 108 Gems, that will give your attack 25% damage bonus.
While the movement skill is quite good, it's rare that you meet a unit with the weakness X and you stand at the correct terrain which give Element X.

QuoteI like adding movement penalties/bonuses to terrain, but what surfaces would actually merit a movement boost? There are plenty that I can see giving a penalty. My only other concern is that the terrain only give bonuses/penalties while moving through the same type of terrain, otherwise it becomes kind of silly. Brick shouldn't give a bonus for moving through sand, right?

Here's the list of terrains that have a corresponding Elemental skill from the BMG:

That movement bonus only applied if Ramza uses Any Ground.
If Ramza doesn't use Any Ground, he won't get any movement bonus +1 from brick or -1 from sand area.
The movement bonus range from 0..3 or -1 .. 4. Numbers can be discussed.
+1 from Brick and -1 from sand are just an example.
We need to do some statistic analysis to check which terrain give +X bonus.

QuoteBrick shouldn't give a bonus for moving through sand, right?

It would be too complex to check which path the units will take.
The current Any Ground only check which terrain you're in, and give +x bonus.

Examples :
Ramza has 3 base move with Any Ground equipped.
Ramza start in terrain brick, so he get +1 movement bonus, and he can move at 4 range.
If he move to terrain with brick, he get +1 movement bonus, and he can move at 4 range.
If he move to sand, he get -1 movement bonus penalty. He can only move at 2 range.

Ramza has 3 base move with Move-Find Item equipped.
Ramza start in terrain brick, so he get +0 movement bonus, and he can move at 3 range.
If he move to terrain with brick, he get +0 movement bonus, and he can move at 3 range.
If he move to sand, he get -0 movement bonus penalty. He can move at 3 range.




Anyway, this is my point :

* Move+2 and Move+3 are still better than most buffed movement abilities.
It's actually support ability in the place of movement ability.
Without specific condition, you got +2 or +3 move bonus, so it should be for enemies only or reworked.

* Move-Get Exp / Move-Get JP should be reworked. See the reason above.

* With the other movement ability buff, Teleport that cost X MP and 20% penalty seems to be losing its charm.
Most class can't use Teleport with the MP cost. It's basically Fly with Move+1 and MP cost for Magician class.
It needs to be reworked as other movement ability.

QuoteWell vanya that weakness makes sense... most maps have more than one or two terrain types...

no it doesn't

it's already a weak movement skill as it is (in it's current form)

movement skill just for absorbing 1 type of element / gaining element to your weapon isn't that great

useful but not nearly good enough to warrant a penalty

position - dependent bonuses are extremely limited, you cannot treat them like they were somehow under the player's control or called up at will (the battle won't always go in the way of the player where the unit will perfectly be positioned in a panel to even trigger the correct element shift to become dangerous to X enemies being faced)


no need to add weaknesses to it

Quote+50 CT is a bit too high. See the reason I give above.

50 CT is just a number thrown out in an example

lower it if you want, the idea is what matters, the numbers can be changed

QuoteBasically, Transparent gives free Concentrate. Without doing anything, you got 100% accuracy bonus.
It violates movement ability spirit.

I was assuming (I know I shouldn't) the implementation of the hacks you already made to nerf Transparent. But, even with that I should have thought to have dropped it to start-Transparent at least.

QuoteIt would be too complex to check which path the units will take.
The current Any Ground only check which terrain you're in, and give +x bonus.

Flowing water already affects movement in this sort of way, doesn't it. Couldn't it simply be modified to also check for other specific terrain types?

Quotemovement skill just for absorbing 1 type of element / gaining element to your weapon isn't that great

useful but not nearly good enough to warrant a penalty

I hadn't thought of that. And giving it an elemental boost might make too powerful even with the weakness added. That is unless someone would WANT to go through the trouble of weakening every elemental damage skill in the game. Yeah, probably not.

Quote*Sneak Attack - Increased damage when attacking from behind.

There's already offensive movement abilities that increases % damage (Jump+X, Ignore Height), but it's for ranged weapons mostly.
I like the idea of getting specific bonus when you attack from behind.
Maybe this should be merged with Silent Walk ?

QuoteFlowing water already affects movement in this sort of way, doesn't it. Couldn't it simply be modified to also check for other specific terrain types?

If we use the flowing water idea, that would be a big buff to Any Ground.

Water penalty : Normally each square of flowing water you walk through costs you two movement points instead of one.

If we change Any Ground bonus to be similar with flowing water penalty,
by making 1 movement point worth 2 square of Grassland, that would make a unit with 4 Move becomes 8 Move

QuoteThere's already offensive movement abilities that increases % damage (Jump+X, Ignore Height), but it's for ranged weapons mostly.
I like the idea of getting specific bonus when you attack from behind.
Maybe this should be merged with Silent Walk ?

Sure. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

QuoteIf we change Any Ground bonus to be similar with flowing water penalty,
by making 1 movement point worth 2 square of Grassland, that would make a unit with 4 Move becomes 8 Move

Can you possibly post the code for the flowing water routine? If it uses a loop to find the squares to apply the penalty to, it may be possible to have a one time branch with which to add a the bonus for specific terrains. But I have to see the code first.

Excellent, it sounds like this whole move business has been sorted out. I was gonna say just remove teleport and ignore height completely, and reduce Fly to an innate, but your solutions sound pretty nice.

Anyways, could you enable the 1.5 bonus for all weapons when you use Jump?

Random Idea for a movement ability

Rush/Charge: Increase physical attack damage by +X% for each panel moved this turn (I.E, if you move 4 panels and then attack, you'll do +4X% damage.)

...I'm sick for a week and I come back to see that the thread has been engulfed by my initial Teleport suggestion to the point where Godwin's Law was invoked a couple pages ago.

Thanks for giving me more reason to hate myself, guys.  


Anyway, since I've yet to even think beyond Teleport and I see no point in asking for something that I might not even use, all I want to know right now a couple of things with regards to Berserk status:

• Can you make it so that Berserk either becomes that PA% thing that was mentioned (without it making take up as much space as it would to give Berserk a finite duration) or make it so that it at least allows for (some) Reactions and Movements to be active?
• Since I vaguely remember it being mentioned yet haven't encountered it myself, I was wondering if you possibly knew what sometimes causes Berserk AI with ranged weapons to get stuck behind certain aspects of terrain like trees? If you know why this is, then the follow-up question would be how to change it if so possible.

Also, speaking of status-change, it's been awake, so forgive me if I already asked this, but is there a way to have the computer not completely ignore someone who has Death Sentence or Confusion afflicted on them?

Thanks.

More random ideas:
Fly: Movement range increases with altitude
Flee: Movement and Jump increases when you are critical

Quote from: "Asmo X"Flee: Movement and Jump increases when you are critical

I like this, but there should be a counter to it or something. Perhaps if you've used an action while critical it doesn't function? IE, Action, then move, it wont function. Or Move, then Action would?

Nah it's a really shit idea. No one is going to pick a movement skill that only works when they're critical.

It'd make a decent reaction skill maybe?

how would that work though?

Quote from: "tithin"

Quote from: "Asmo X"Flee: Movement and Jump increases when you are critical

I like this, but there should be a counter to it or something. Perhaps if you've used an action while critical it doesn't function? IE, Action, then move, it wont function. Or Move, then Action would?

wtf

why does that one need a counter?

it'd be an incredibly weak movement skill in that proposed form, it needs no "counter" to make it even weaker

that's like suggesting that Dash needs a counter to it

that's the 2nd time you propose that something is overpowered / needs a "counter" on an ability that is obviously relatively weak as hell

you cannot grasp the true form of FFT balance

* Broken / stolen items can be bought back at Fur Shop

QuoteRush/Charge: Increase physical attack damage by +X% for each panel moved this turn (I.E, if you move 4 panels and then attack, you'll do +4X% damage.)

The game doesn't store your original X,Y position after you moved.

QuoteSince I vaguely remember it being mentioned yet haven't encountered it myself, I was wondering if you possibly knew what sometimes causes Berserk AI with ranged weapons to get stuck behind certain aspects of terrain like trees? If you know why this is, then the follow-up question would be how to change it if so possible.

Never encounter this case. Could you give more detailed story about this "bug" ?
Berserk AI is rather stupid. It will try to attack everytime, even at 0% chance.
When they attack, they don't even check the height difference between the attacker and the target.
It happens to me with Zalmo at vanilla FFT. I berserked him, then stand at high terrain.
He still attack me with 0% chance.

QuoteAlso, speaking of status-change, it's been awake, so forgive me if I already asked this, but is there a way to have the computer not completely ignore someone who has Death Sentence or Confusion afflicted on them?

Why you want AI to attack confused units and make them recover from confusion ?

About Death Sentence, isn't it wise decision to make AI ignore units that will be dead at 3 turn ?
The problems lies within Judo Outfit / Angel Ring. Cancel:Dead shouldn't cancel Death Sentence's Dead.
To prevent Death Sentence, you should equip Cancel:Death Sentence, not Cancel:Dead

QuoteFly: Movement range increases with altitude

Seems to be nice, need a specific bonus and height condition though.

QuoteFlee: Movement and Jump increases when you are critical

Hmmm, it seems a bit unreliable. Maybe increase movement / jump based on %HP loss ?

QuoteCan you make it so that Berserk either becomes that PA% thing that was mentioned (without it making take up as much space as it would to give Berserk a finite duration) or make it so that it at least allows for (some) Reactions and Movements to be active?

I'll take a look at this after we finished movement ability buff.
It seems more people demanding status X to be limited by duration, not permanent.

Quote from: "Razele"Why you want AI to attack confused units and make them recover from confusion ?

I wouldn't. I merely thought they might end up being related since the AI generally ignores people with both statuses.

As for wanting the AI to not ignore people in Death Sentence, keep in mind that I said completely ignore. I would be fine with the AI still mostly ignoring the afflicted as long as it checked for the whole "Cancel: Dead" immunity and/or killed them with OHKO if they were trying something, which I think it sometimes does (like mid-charge). I'll have to test this all this out, though that's a bit of a pain the ass on my new computer. (Stupid Vista.)

As for the Berserk thing, it's kind of annoying that the AI for it is that stupid. Hmmm...I wonder if there's some way to fix it through something related, like say that the Teleport thing being bounded by Jump now. Hmm...the whole targetting would probably rather complex, at least with the distance weapons.

Hmmm....

QuoteNever encounter this case. Could you give more detailed story about this "bug" ?
Berserk AI is rather stupid. It will try to attack everytime, even at 0% chance.
When they attack, they don't even check the height difference between the attacker and the target.
It happens to me with Zalmo at vanilla FFT. I berserked him, then stand at high terrain.
He still attack me with 0% chance.

By stuck, she meant that a Berserked Unit with a ranged weapon will keep shooting if they are behind a obstacle, regardless of being able to hit or not. If their target doesn't move out of range, they'll stay in the same place and keep shooting. Which is why I don't use Berserked Gunners or Crossbowmen.

Could you make it smarter?

Quote from: "Voldemort"

Quote from: "tithin"

Quote from: "Asmo X"Flee: Movement and Jump increases when you are critical

I like this, but there should be a counter to it or something. Perhaps if you've used an action while critical it doesn't function? IE, Action, then move, it wont function. Or Move, then Action would?

wtf

why does that one need a counter?

it'd be an incredibly weak movement skill in that proposed form, it needs no "counter" to make it even weaker

that's like suggesting that Dash needs a counter to it

that's the 2nd time you propose that something is overpowered / needs a "counter" on an ability that is obviously relatively weak as hell

you cannot grasp the true form of FFT balance

op dash is op

Berserk AI doesn't need to be "Smart"

there is no "bug"

you let a unit get zerked, it's going to act on it's own

it will be SO aggressive that it will even attack empty panels with 00% chance to hit because it thinks that it will get damage off

that's the entire point of Berserk

it doesn't need to be smarter

if you don't like your zerked unit going after the enemy like a furious zealot without regards to consequence (the whole point of zerk status in the first place), then bring protection vs zerk, or bring something that cures zerk

zerk doesn't need fixing

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QuoteWhy you want AI to attack confused units and make them recover from confusion ?

because currently AI NEVER touches a confused unit, and that can be abused, because confusion doesn't wear off on it's own, and confused units sometimes do attack the enemy

for example:

X Character SSCC vs Adramelk

reset until Adramelk casts Loss

Adramelk will NOT attack the SSCC character because AI doesnt' wanna break Confu

Confused character will, eventually, kill Adramelk

so the fix would be to make AI start killing Confused units after a set number of turns, but don't make AI attack confused units right off the bat!

QuoteAbout Death Sentence, isn't it wise decision to make AI ignore units that will be dead at 3 turn ?
The problems lies within Judo Outfit / Angel Ring. Cancel:Dead shouldn't cancel Death Sentence's Dead.
To prevent Death Sentence, you should equip Cancel:Death Sentence, not Cancel:Dead

this is a perfect solution

well said

QuoteBerserk AI doesn't need to be "Smart"

there is no "bug"

you let a unit get zerked, it's going to act on it's own

it will be SO aggressive that it will even attack empty panels with 00% chance to hit because it thinks that it will get damage off

that's the entire point of Berserk

it doesn't need to be smarter

if you don't like your zerked unit going after the enemy like a furious zealot without regards to consequence (the whole point of zerk status in the first place), then bring protection vs zerk, or bring something that cures zerk

zerk doesn't need fixing

Or at least the curing part.

Quoteso the fix would be to make AI start killing Confused units after a set number of turns, but don't make AI attack confused units right off the bat!

QuoteDisagree. The fix would be that once all enemies are confused the AI should start attacking them. That way if a unit comes out of confusion the enemy will go back to putting priority on those units, but not ignore the confused any more.

QuoteBerserk AI doesn't need to be "Smart"

there is no "bug"

you let a unit get zerked, it's going to act on it's own

it will be SO aggressive that it will even attack empty panels with 00% chance to hit because it thinks that it will get damage off

that's the entire point of Berserk

it doesn't need to be smarter

if you don't like your zerked unit going after the enemy like a furious zealot without regards to consequence (the whole point of zerk status in the first place), then bring protection vs zerk, or bring something that cures zerk

zerk doesn't need fixing

Don't really agree with this ,either. Rage makes you relentlessly aggressive, not stupid. An enraged person will tear through obstacles even to their own detriment, but they'll stop at nothing to get to the focus of that rage. So what might make sense is that they also gain the ability to ignore obstacles.

Quote from: "Vanya"

Quoteso the fix would be to make AI start killing Confused units after a set number of turns, but don't make AI attack confused units right off the bat!

Disagree. The fix would be that once all enemies are confused the AI should start attacking them. That way if a unit comes out of confusion the enemy will go back to putting priority on those units, but not ignore the confused any more.

that won't work

think about it

What? I don't see a problem with it. It satisfies the AI not totally ignoring the confused units and it's easier to program a branching algorithm than it is to program a counting algorithm that has to account for each confused unit.

Quote from: "Voldemort"

Quote from: "tithin"

Quote from: "Asmo X"Flee: Movement and Jump increases when you are critical

I like this, but there should be a counter to it or something. Perhaps if you've used an action while critical it doesn't function? IE, Action, then move, it wont function. Or Move, then Action would?

wtf

why does that one need a counter?

it'd be an incredibly weak movement skill in that proposed form, it needs no "counter" to make it even weaker

that's like suggesting that Dash needs a counter to it

that's the 2nd time you propose that something is overpowered / needs a "counter" on an ability that is obviously relatively weak as hell

you cannot grasp the true form of FFT balance

Merely making a suggestion.  I dont remember stating that it was overpowered, though I do agree that perhaps I am overthinking it.

Quote from: "Vanya"What? I don't see a problem with it. It satisfies the AI not totally ignoring the confused units and it's easier to program a branching algorithm than it is to program a counting algorithm that has to account for each confused unit.

Quoteonce all enemies are confused the AI should start attacking them

Because your requirement is "once all enemies are confused"

and there will be plenty of situations where a confused unit will still be a threat to the AI, while there's still non-confused enemy units running around.

for example;

AI is facing 5 enemies. AI confuses one enemy. Under your rule, the AI will permanently ignore that confused unit because not all enemy units are confused. All the player has to do is sand-bag and let loose the Confused unit on the AI, similar to how you can do in vanilla.


Another:

AI is facing 2 enemies. AI confuses one, petrifies the other. AI will continue to ignore the confused unit while the confused unit kills the AI on it's off turns. (Not all enemy units are confused, the requirement isn't being met for Confused unit attacks to be enabled)


Another:

AI is facing 3 enemies. Player confuses one of it's own units, Petrifies another, let's the 3rd unit die in obscurity. Boom same problem as in vanilla. Immortal Confu unit that will slowly kill the AI.




The condition would have to be "Kill all remaining Confused units that are NOT: Dead, Petrified, Frogged, etc etc", which is problematic, because that is basically the same as "Kill all Confused units."

Ergo, vis-à-vis, concordantly, it won't work.

Quote from: "Vanya"Don't really agree with this ,either. Rage makes you relentlessly aggressive, not stupid. An enraged person will tear through obstacles even to their own detriment, but they'll stop at nothing to get to the focus of that rage. So what might make sense is that they also gain the ability to ignore obstacles.

Can you please stop justifying things this way and start thinking about skills from a mechanical point of view?

Hey Raz,

Do you happen to know how to change the player's starting inventory?

I believe it is customary for the player to start with one of each chemist item, and 2K money.  Personally, I'd like to have the player start with Katana, but a better hack for the community would be if we could start with nothing in the inventory.

QuoteX Character SSCC vs Adramelk

reset until Adramelk casts Loss

Adramelk will NOT attack the SSCC character because AI doesnt' wanna break Confu

Confused character will, eventually, kill Adramelk

so the fix would be to make AI start killing Confused units after a set number of turns, but don't make AI attack confused units right off the bat!

Yeah, I remember the Loss strategy from SSCC log.
I use it when I'm doing Oracle SSCC on Golgorand.
It's only viable when you're alone.

Setting counter on AI to un-ignore confused unit can be an option,
but the "easiest" fix maybe to make Confusion has CT, and expires after a few turn.

QuoteBy stuck, she meant that a Berserked Unit with a ranged weapon will keep shooting if they are behind a obstacle, regardless of being able to hit or not. If their target doesn't move out of range, they'll stay in the same place and keep shooting. Which is why I don't use Berserked Gunners or Crossbowmen.

Could you make it smarter?

Free 150% attack power is already big, especially on ranged units with long weapon range like Gun or Bow.
Combine that long range (8) with 150% attack bonus, Attack UP, Power Sleeve + Bracer and smart AI. It's sick.
I guess that come with something that balance it, stupid AI.
Just use Instrument / Book to take advantage of Berserk.

QuoteHey Raz,

Do you happen to know how to change the player's starting inventory?

I believe it is customary for the player to start with one of each chemist item, and 2K money. Personally, I'd like to have the player start with Katana, but a better hack for the community would be if we could start with nothing in the inventory.

I believe this one isn't too hard. I already found player's starting money.
I'll check the starting items.

Quote from: "Asmo X"

Quote from: "Vanya"Don't really agree with this ,either. Rage makes you relentlessly aggressive, not stupid. An enraged person will tear through obstacles even to their own detriment, but they'll stop at nothing to get to the focus of that rage. So what might make sense is that they also gain the ability to ignore obstacles.

Can you please stop justifying things this way and start thinking about skills from a mechanical point of view?

No, because everyone that plays these hacks will not necessarily be looking at things that way. Just doing things from a mechanical point of view can easily lead to things that work great, but seem silly or even stupid to an average gamer who isn't thinking about, or is even aware of, the mechanics behind it. Maintaining an illusion of reality is important to good game design.

Another idea is to make the AI take obstacles into consideration and move accordingly. Or, just stop them from attacking once there are no target's in sight. (Obstacles do obscure line of sight.) These adjustments would be more difficult, but would make more sense than shooting arrows into a wall.

Heaven forbid we should come up with things that actually work properly.

I told you the problem with your method on the last page. Someone could just as easily make the opposite case and say that berserked units are characterised by mindlessness and ARE stupider. Either party could be construed as correct. So let's make shit work first and dress up the ideas later.

Quote from: "Voldemort"Under your rule, the AI will permanently ignore that confused unit because not all enemy units are confused.

Well, that is already a problem, and you're right that my solution doesn't address it. But the request was for the AI to not totally ignore confu'd units. Which my solution does address.

Quote from: "Voldemort"AI is facing 2 enemies. AI confuses one, petrifies the other. AI will continue to ignore the confused unit while the confused unit kills the AI on it's off turns. (Not all enemy units are confused, the requirement isn't being met for Confused unit attacks to be enabled)

AI is facing 3 enemies. Player confuses one of it's own units, Petrifies another, let's the 3rd unit die in obscurity. Boom same problem as in vanilla. Immortal Confu unit that will slowly kill the AI.

I was under the impression that the AI already counts petrified enemies as dead, thus would automatically ignore them when checking for the total number of active units with confusion status.

Quote from: "Voldemort"The condition would have to be "Kill all remaining Confused units that are NOT: Dead, Petrified, Frogged, etc etc", which is problematic, because that is basically the same as "Kill all Confused units."

Ergo, vis-à-vis, concordantly, it won't work.

Depending on how the AI is programmed units that are normally ignored would continue to be ignored for the purposes of dealing with confusion. I suppose the best thing would be to make sure that any incapacitated units aren't counted as inactive.

So something like this:
If all active enemies are confused, treat confused enemies as non-confused enemies until such time that an active, non-confused enemy becomes present. Checking for an active enemy would be to check for enemies that do not have one of the following status; dead, petrify, charm, stop, crystal, jumping, invite, treasure, chicken, frog, or wall.
This way the AI should ignore confused units while more dangerous enemies are present on the battlefield, but not at any time that there are only confused units on the field

Once there are no confused enemies on the battlefield the AI should automatically revert to whatever way it normally treats the above mentioned incapacitating status.

I said in chat vanya; that while i do agree with you, your thinking ot much into this. the average player doesnt care about mechanics.

but the average player isnt going ot add ASM hacks to their patch.

If y ou use an ASM hack it needs to work properly, and smoothly, not with fancy dressup or aesthetic logic.

If i were programming a game from scratch, vanya id definatly mask a mechanic with alot of realism. but we are limited on space, and while ASM is potentially codeing in itself, you can do alot more alot easier if you using a real language. (ASM doesnt count as a language to me, because it is the basics and fundemants of all code, and is primarly managed for hacking purposes )

Off topic: Actually, ASM is the language that this game was programmed in directly. It does very much count as a language, and ASM hacking is programing; just through different means.

The average player isn't going to be adding anything to any hack. I never said they would. I'm talking about how they will perceive the ASM hacks we put into our projects. If there isn't any thought given to some basic logic behind them they could end up being perceived as silly. Professional game designers don't just sit around and come up with things arbitrarily. They don't waste time with trying to dress up things. There are ideas behind things before they're programmed. At least that's what my game design and programming professors taught me in class.

I have no problem with being told there's a technical problem with my suggestions. However, I don't appreciate those (not you SB) that try to tell me how I should present my thoughts. There's nothing wrong with presenting some logic behind an idea you come up with. It's not a justification it's just an idea. If you don't like it, then too bad. Razele is making the ASM hacks, and no one is being forced to use any of them anyway.

I was informed(i think by zodiac and spinOUT) that FFT and most other PSX games were programmed in C++

ASM is what all language is broken down to once compiled...thus there being tons of different asm subgroups, because of all the different compilation methods. i highly doubt FFT or any other PSX game was coded directly in ASM ...although i can very well be wrong, it just doesnt seem likely...even in the mid 80s, BASIC was a common language, even though half of it was numbers(if i remember right), but it was like ASM. and even then, BASIC had an ASM structure if you opened the file in a hex editor.

Edit: Zodiac informed me that it was coded in C, not C++

QuoteOff topic: Actually, ASM is the language that this game was programmed in directly.

lol

QuoteWell, that is already a problem, and you're right that my solution doesn't address it. But the request was for the AI to not totally ignore confu'd units. Which my solution does address.

What the fuck? The problem is AI perma-ignoring confused units. Your solution doesn't address the problem in a fashion that will work properly in the game environment.

In other words, your solution doesn't address anything, hence why I called it out as a solution that does not work.

Seriously, it's like you're so caught up in trying to prove yourself right that you don't even think about what you are saying.

You are wrong and your solution was wrong.

QuoteDepending on how the AI is programmed units that are normally ignored would continue to be ignored for the purposes of dealing with confusion. I suppose the best thing would be to make sure that any incapacitated units aren't counted as inactive.

Uh, which leads us back to the problem presented here:

QuoteThe condition would have to be "Kill all remaining Confused units that are NOT: Dead, Petrified, Frogged, etc etc", which is problematic, because that is basically the same as "Kill all Confused units."

Which doesn't work.

QuoteSo something like this:
If all active enemies are confused, treat confused enemies as non-confused enemies until such time that an active, non-confused enemy becomes present. Checking for an active enemy would be to check for enemies that do not have one of the following status; dead, petrify, charm, stop, crystal, jumping, invite, treasure, chicken, frog, or wall.
This way the AI should ignore confused units while more dangerous enemies are present on the battlefield, but not at any time that there are only confused units on the field

Once there are no confused enemies on the battlefield the AI should automatically revert to whatever way it normally treats the above mentioned incapacitating status.

And you said that a timer would be too complicated?

^_^;;

QuoteAt least that's what my game design and programming professors taught me in class.

That explains a lot about how you act, actually. You have taken classes on game design from the upstairs college of Bumfuck, Nowhere.

I'm sure that makes you feel your ideas are golden.

QuoteJust doing things from a mechanical point of view can easily lead to things that work great, but seem silly or even stupid to an average gamer who isn't thinking about, or is even aware of, the mechanics behind it. Maintaining an illusion of reality is important to good game design.

Is this from Game Design Theory 101?

Go tell your professors that game mechanics must first work great, and THEN be made interesting and full of immersion. [ONCE THEY ARE WORKING GREAT]

Not the other way around.

If you have something that makes sense and looks cool, but doesn't work properly, the illusion of reality is OBLITERATED.

ASM hacks are about mechanics... just make sure your ideas do what they need to do, and leave the illusion of reality to other aspects of the game.

All a mechanic needs to do is work properly to contribute to the sense of illusion, but it's the storytelling, art, effects, sounds, design, architecture, and environment that contribute to the illusion of reality.

QuoteHowever, I don't appreciate those (not you SB) that try to tell me how I should present my thoughts. There's nothing wrong with presenting some logic behind an idea you come up with.

I don't think anyone in this thread (or in the entire history of FFH, or atleast as long as I have been here) has ever told you how to present your thoughts.

In this thread, however, we told you that the logic behind the ideas you come up with was horrible, un-fun, and that we hope Razele didn't take it seriously.

Don't try to make yourself the victim of something you are not, or pretend like the accusations against you were un-fair or off topic. They were totally on topic.

If Razele starts taking you seriously, we're all doomed.

QuoteI have no problem with being told there's a technical problem with my suggestions.

You not only got told there's technical problems, you also got told they are shit suggestions.

I don't see why you can't grasp what is going on. Stop pretending like people are un-reasonably trying to "change how you think", because that's not what's going on.

Quote from: "Voldemort"I don't think anyone in this thread (or in the entire history of FFH, or atleast as long as I have been here) has ever told you how to present your thoughts.

I did. If we start trying to base game mechanics based on our rationalisations of confused people or angry people or poisoned people or whatever bullshit, theres no saying any of that is going to integrate well. Lets start with good mechanical ideas and then come back afterwards and decide how to present them. Lets also not change shit that doesn't need to be changed for largely the same reason.

QuoteLets also not change shit that doesn't need to be changed for largely the same reason.

Well in my patch, Any Ground makes the people Absorb : Earth because Any Ground is related to Ground so it is cool that they get the element of the ANy Ground they are moving on and this Absorb Earth.

In my patch, flails also absorb wind because people wield them around and the whooshing motion of flails makes sense that they acquire this element so absorb: wind , wind :Elemental and Strengthen: wind  for all flails.

QuoteAnd you said that a timer would be too complicated?

It probably still is as opposed to a branch and a byte comparison.

QuoteUh, which leads us back to the problem presented here:

Quote:
The condition would have to be "Kill all remaining Confused units that are NOT: Dead, Petrified, Frogged, etc etc", which is problematic, because that is basically the same as "Kill all Confused units."

No it wouldn't. It would treat things differently with the presence of confused enemies.

QuoteNo it wouldn't. It would treat things differently with the presence of confused enemies.

Yes, it would. This is what I was referring to:

QuoteI suppose the best thing would be to make sure that any incapacitated units aren't counted as inactive.

[/b]

This doesn't treat anything differently with regards to the Confusion issue (result). Same problem as we discussed before. Same problem as Confu
vanilla.

QuoteIt probably still is as opposed to a branch and a byte comparison.

Yeah, and FFT was probably coded in ASM too right?

QuoteBroken / stolen items can be bought back at Fur Shop
BATTLE.BIN
0x126470 change 00000000 to 224E0508

0xEC888
1980043C
982D848C
BA018490
02210400
0F008014
00000000
0D00A010
FF000434
0B00A410
00000000
0580043C
94948434
21208500
00008290
0001432C
02006014
00000000
FE000234
01004224
000082A0
1980023C
902D428C
1D350608
00000000

I'm a noob to asm hacking.

What does the block of text mean?

Quote from: "samuchan"

QuoteBroken / stolen items can be bought back at Fur Shop
BATTLE.BIN
0x126470 change 00000000 to 224E0508

0xEC888
1980043C
982D848C
BA018490
02210400
0F008014
00000000
0D00A010
FF000434
0B00A410
00000000
0580043C
94948434
21208500
00008290
0001432C
02006014
00000000
FE000234
01004224
000082A0
1980023C
902D428C
1D350608
00000000

I'm a noob to asm hacking.

What does the block of text mean?

that all values starting at address 0xEC888  must be changed to what is on the block of text

Whatever, Arch, you're not the one that's gonna program it anyway.

Quote from: "Vanya"Whatever, Arch, you're not the one that's gonna program it anyway.

And?

What does that have to do with giving Razele solid ideas when he asks for them?

I didn't say it had anything to do with that.
Now you can spend time coming up with a better idea or keep bitching about mine, whatever you like. I don't give a shit.

Quote from: "SentinalBlade"I was informed(i think by zodiac and spinOUT) that FFT and most other PSX games were programmed in C++

ASM is what all language is broken down to once compiled...thus there being tons of different asm subgroups, because of all the different compilation methods. i highly doubt FFT or any other PSX game was coded directly in ASM ...although i can very well be wrong, it just doesnt seem likely...even in the mid 80s, BASIC was a common language, even though half of it was numbers(if i remember right), but it was like ASM. and even then, BASIC had an ASM structure if you opened the file in a hex editor.

Edit: Zodiac informed me that it was coded in C, not C++

Yeah, you and Zodiac are right about that. I was just reading about it. One thing I found interesting, though, is that one of the PSX libraries is actually geared for programmers that prefer to program directly in MIPS. So I didn't just imagine that after all.

Quote from: "Voldemort"that all values starting at address 0xEC888  must be changed to what is on the block of text

Thanks.

Although with "0x126470 change 00000000 to 224E0508," there's only one line that's "00000000," right?

Quote from: "samuchan"

Quote from: "Voldemort"that all values starting at address 0xEC888  must be changed to what is on the block of text

Thanks.

Although with "0x126470 change 00000000 to 224E0508," there's only one line that's "00000000," right?

yeah

you find the 0000000 that is located in address 0x126470 and change it to 224E0508

and then the rest of the changes are in the other address

Requests, if possible. If not, tell me to gtfo.

1) At the end of unit turn he gain 2hp, as a ''resting'' phase. Is there any way to do this withouth the little ''2 hp'' popping up? Replace silent walk with a seem-alike of move-hp-up.

2) Replace an unused status (Dark/evil looking, blood suck, wall) by a ''cannot be healed'' Status.

Thanks a lot Razele.

Learn summon spells by being next to an ally that cast it.

Generic 1: Just opened up summoner class, and does not know any spells.

Generic 2: Knows Ifrit.

Generic 1: Stands adjacent to Generic 2, who cast Ifirt.

Generic 1 learns Ifrit by "seeing" Generic 2 cast it.

Maybe both units have to be summoners.

* Customized Item formula
* Added starting money (2 byte, 65535 max)

Quote1) At the end of unit turn he gain 2hp, as a ''resting'' phase. Is there any way to do this withouth the little ''2 hp'' popping up? Replace silent walk with a seem-alike of move-hp-up.

2 HP recovery are too small. In early game, it's still too small, and when your unit already has 700+ HP
you won't notice 2 HP heal. Actually, it's easier to do "silent" HP recovery, something that
I do with old Teleport. If you apply my old Teleport code,
you will notice that your unit lost MP without any MP pop up.

I still prefer to merge this idea with Move-HP Up + Rest or make Rest as separate movement ability.
If you pick wait, you gain X% MaxHP if your 'Act' and 'Move' command are still enabled.

Quote2) Replace an unused status (Dark/evil looking, blood suck, wall) by a ''cannot be healed'' Status.

You can combine them with Undead status to make them unable to recover HP.

QuoteHey Raz,

Do you happen to know how to change the player's starting inventory?

I believe it is customary for the player to start with one of each chemist item, and 2K money. Personally, I'd like to have the player start with Katana, but a better hack for the community would be if we could start with nothing in the inventory.

The function is located in SCUS_942.21 but I'm sure it's called once, so I can redirect it to WORLD.BIN
Which starting items do you want ?

QuoteLearn summon spells by being next to an ally that cast it.

Generic 1: Just opened up summoner class, and does not know any spells.

Generic 2: Knows Ifrit.

Generic 1: Stands adjacent to Generic 2, who cast Ifirt.

Generic 1 learns Ifrit by "seeing" Generic 2 cast it.

Maybe both units have to be summoners.

Nice idea, but this will allow Summoner to transfer all of their skills to their friends without any effort.
I still prefer the "Blue Mage" style transfer. You have to experience their effects first to learn it.
The easiest way would be to make Summon skills to hit allies (Check "Hit Allies" in fftpatcher).