General => The Lounge => Spam => Topic started by: TristanBeoulve on December 09, 2014, 02:26:36 pm
Title: WHY?!
Post by: TristanBeoulve on December 09, 2014, 02:26:36 pm
Why is it that all of you seem to hate WOTL so much?! If anyone could please elaborate, I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: WHY?!
Post by: Dome on December 09, 2014, 02:37:45 pm
Confound thee TristanBeoulve, this Toke Jopic belongs to the canned ham section
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Post by: 3lric on December 09, 2014, 03:35:23 pm
- Slowdown that could've easily been avoided by a competent coder. The slowdown glitch fix is like 1 byte of code that was changed.
- Luso, why does he get Ramza's skillset? (Protip: it's because they didn't have enough ability space to make him a proper job...) You spend all game with Ramza and his story and building him up, then some fucking douche comes in and is like, oh yeah, i know all of that, AND I have innate poach.
- Fuck ugly derpy ass flower dialogue
- HORRIBLE event coding
- Fuck ugly derpy ass flower dialogue
- I don't hate Balthier
- Fuck ugly derpy ass flower dialogue
- Cashing in on something old by having subpar people work on and ruin something that was great to begin with
- Fuck ugly derpy ass flower dialogue
- Luso
- TERRIBAD Sprite quality on Luso, Aliste, Bremondt, Balthier, Dark Knight, Onion Knight.
Dialogue in WotL Silence! I shall not listen to you anymore, learn to govern your tounge or i shall have it sliced off! If you would test my patience you will know the true meaning of suffering. Now, prepare yourself to be sent towards the keeping of the Father!
Quote from: Jumza on December 08, 2014, 06:15:01 pm On this note, my most absolute favourite thing to do in WotL is to give Balthier an elemental gun and have him use Barrage! You would never get the chance to look at those animations in such beautiful slow motion 4 times in a row in the psx version...
A better fucking question would be why you like WOTL so much??
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Post by: Tornado Jack on December 09, 2014, 03:53:37 pm
We hate WotL because we're OLD SENILE PEOPLE.
Really, we have to be insane to hate WotL... right?
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Post by: lirmont on December 09, 2014, 04:14:56 pm
Here's a hypothetical situation. Imagine that the original game is represented in a ball form. Now, the ball can bounce around, roll, be still, entertain, etc, but, no matter what you do, the ball stays together because the ball is cohesive. Now, as time goes on, the ball may be seen to be less fun to play with because it lacks things other newer forms of entertainment possess. Reasonably speaking, releasing the next version of this ball should probably just bring the ball up to date so that it can compete for attention well against other entertainment products: new packaging, refurbishing old parts so that they thrive in modern environments, and re-advertising the product (harkening back to what made it great at what it did previously).
Enter War of the Lions. Instead of (just) bringing the old game up to date, they made something akin to a lava lamp, tossing an old game in to drift aimlessly around for the rest of forever amidst the newer, brightly-colored lava lamp goop and to bang into the smaller representations of other games also dumped into said goop. Can lava lamps be entertaining? Sure, but are they a cohesive mixture anymore? No, and so my personal dislike comes from the fact that I don't see FFT:WotL as a cohesive game. I see it as "game-ish"; there's a cohesive game somewhere in there (sometimes it even rises to the forefront) but it's lost amongst other things.
If you were to order a smoothie (https://www.google.com/search?q=smoothie&tbm=isch) and that "smoothie" was just unblended fruit in an attractive cup, would you like the product as a smoothie?
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Post by: Choto on December 09, 2014, 04:38:34 pm
Because all amazing games that garner loyal, fiercely enthusiastic fanbases unfailingly have terrible people take the atmosphere of that game and put it on a PSP or change critical aspects of it which leaves said fanbases with a feeling of being betrayed and disappointed by having hopes of a sequel.
It's like being given a piece of artwork.. .and all you have to do is put shit AROUND the artwork to enhance the core features of it that make it amazing... and you just paint a smiley face in the center of the thing thinking to yourself "Ima make millions..."
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Post by: TristanBeoulve on December 09, 2014, 05:39:29 pm
Dialogue in WotL Silence! I shall not listen to you anymore, learn to govern your tounge or i shall have it sliced off! If you would test my patience you will know the true meaning of suffering. Now, prepare yourself to be sent towards the keeping of the Father!
Dialogue in the PSX version Shut up, idiot!
Do you view that as positive, or negative? If positive: :) If negative: It's more realistic man. I doubt anyone said that (the bottom part) in the Middle Ages or the Renaissance. I find it to be more enjoyable when I can immerse myself.
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Post by: 3lric on December 09, 2014, 07:51:30 pm
So, after you realized that WotL sucks after reading everything here. You looked to find the one thing that didn't fit as well as everything else to try to prove your point, lol.
No, I posted that because this is Spam and I thought it was funny as shit.
You still didn't answer my question.
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Post by: Angel on December 10, 2014, 07:01:39 am
WotL script is sophomoric. It's obfuscated gibberish. Nobody ever spoke this way at any period in the history of the world, nor is the original Japanese text archaic or indicating that the dialogue should be translated in this way. It's just trash. And don't get me started on the proper nouns.
That and for all the reasons listed by others, WotL is nothing more than the shittiest port since Mega Man 3 to PC. (http://sydlexia.com/mega_man_3_sucks.htm)
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Post by: Boco on December 10, 2014, 08:54:17 am
The script is bad, but WOTL does do a few -- A FEW -- things right with the translation. Here are the things they did right:
1. Bad Bracelet --> Bad Breath 2. Dragoner --> Dragonkin 3. Wildbow --> Wild Boar 4. Mindflare --> Mindflayer 5. Maintenance --> Safeguard 6. Salty Rage --> Sortilege 7. Walk on water --> Swim, and Move in water --> Waterwalking (I hated how these were originally mixed up)
...and a few other ability names, skillset names, enemy names, to where it just makes more sense, but there are relatively few of these good changes in an ocean of bad. But seriously, what the hell kind of perfume is called Salty Rage?? (unless it's meant to stink people away)
Title: Re: WHY?!
Post by: TristanBeoulve on December 10, 2014, 02:06:16 pm
Fine. I didn't play the original, I just rather liked WoTL. Maybe it's not as good. Maybe it sucks. Maybe I'm a polymorphing goat. I clearly don't know enough about this to be arguing on the topic. Sorry for bothering you all.
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Post by: kyozo22 on December 10, 2014, 02:44:01 pm
There were some good things about the retranslation.
Well, ok, about one (and even then, that's subjective):
Weirdly enough, we had a similar discussion back in October on another forum but, generally, I think that vanilla WotL was a huge, huge letdown. Now that the slowdown's fixed and netplay's possible via PPSSPP and Hamachi, I think the only things that're stopping WotL being modded more is lack of easy ASMing and the script (which isn't really difficult to sort out, just takes time/ commitment... and a fairly rough consensus on what's good/ improved etc.)
Overall, though, fuck Square-Enix for their laziness/ sloppiness/ incompetence!
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Post by: Advent on December 10, 2014, 03:52:52 pm
I actually asked a friend of mine who has a background in this sort of thing this question a while back.
Quote I played through WOTL once on my PSP. While the new content was well-done (I especially enjoyed the extra Delita scenes) and the translation made the story much more comprehensible (though at least for reasons of nostalgia I still much prefer Dycedarg's elder brother), the pseudo-Shakespearean garble bothered me to no end. And not because it was too Ye Olde English, but because it wasn't Þe Olde English enough. I have an MA in Medieval Studies and, having spent some time reading real Middle English texts, I can attest that English never at any time worked the way it does in WOTL. The dialect is a disgusting hybrid monstrosity. It could have been done much more accurately without sacrificing readability.
So, there you have it. The bastardized English is an aberration.
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Post by: Xifanie on December 10, 2014, 04:18:20 pm
> TristanBeoulve after reading Advent's post:
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Post by: Advent on December 10, 2014, 04:29:40 pm
Just wanted to clarify that I can't reply to stuff after 5:00 PM at the latest. The only way I am able is to use my mother's phone, which is very unlikely. I admit I was wrong, however.
Title: Re: WHY?!
Post by: kyozo22 on December 10, 2014, 06:04:08 pm
Wait, what? An opinion can't really be wrong because it's just that: an opinion. It can be disagreed with (which, in this particular case, your opinion has been. Quite strongly.)
I was reading over the different flavors in this picture, and while the Hawaii, BBQ, and Cheese flavors looked LOLworthy, my gaze was eventually drawn to the upper right corner to the "With Stinky French Garlic"...am I reading that wrong or is it some strange image artifact that is tricking my mind into reading it that way? LE BARF!
Title: Re: WHY?!
Post by: Ryqoshay on December 12, 2014, 12:43:42 am