☢ ☢ ☢ FFT 1.3 AI Tournament Season 5 ☢ ☢ ☢ [FINISHED] Post-Discussion

[st4rw4k3r]

spoiler: match 22

Ha great battle! My favorite fight so far. Gaignun sitting there talking until 4:33, then watching FDC smash 3rOracale in 4 minutes.

[Barren]

Battle 63 Aquilae vs Gaignun

[krilz]

spoiler: Battle 63 Aquilae vs Gaignun

Wow! I was rooting for Gaignun but did not expect him to win after the slaughter in the first round. Amazing game, well done.

[skiploom188]

To the winner's bracket champion:

-It's not over yet, you're still gonna have to fight someone from the bowels of the underworld...

[Aquilae]

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GG Gaignun, hopefully we get to meet again in the final final match =3

[Piercewise]

Rest of my round two matches!

Match 28 LOSER'S BRACKET

Match 27 LOSER'S BRACKET

Done for the night, but tomorrow I'm knocking out the entirety of my round three and four matches so we won't have any more delays from me  

[Mando]

To catch up perhaps you guys should just do a mass-upload once you record those matches pierce.

[Piercewise]

As soon as fdc posts his round two stuff my round three matches are going up, &etc.

[formerdeathcorps]

As soon as fdc posts his round two stuff my round three matches are going up, &etc.

I've been a bit slower than I had liked, mostly because I noticed a really bad desync glitch (literally my words were getting cut in half every six seconds) on a few of my prepared matches so I had to redo a few of the commentaries.

Loser's Bracket #17
Loser's Bracket #18
Loser's Bracket #19
Loser's Bracket #20
Loser's Bracket #21

[Piercewise]

Hooray, on to Round Three!!

Match 33 LOSER'S BRACKET

Match 34 LOSER'S BRACKET

Match 35 LOSER'S BRACKET

[Squidgy]

spoiler: Match 33

Those Frogs just... devastating. Poor priest didn't get a turn round 3.

spoiler: Match 34

Zombie thankfully didn't backfire, except a bit with Death Sentence... I'm quite sympathetic to Zombie teams.

spoiler: Match 35

Go monsters! Loved the shared misses of round 2... and love that piggy.

[skiploom188]

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Well, guess that's the end of me (literally) and my team. That's what I get for not testing my team. At least I got this far. Congrats on your win Dol. I thought I was the one who was gonna face Gaignun. (yeah right) 

[The Damned]

(Ugh. I can't remember the videos I was going to cite as an example of something. I guess I'll try to look for it after Friday.)

Thanks again to everyone who is commentating, especially given how quickly this is moving. It's nice to see that Loser's Bracket is moving along smoothly enough. I think I've enjoyed more of the matches there so far than in Winner's Bracket, if only because Winner's Bracket is going exactly how I thought it would. We'll see who wins the Loser's Finals ends, though.

Before I forget again, I have to ask: Am I the only noticing that quite a few times some units (for some reason, it seems to be Lancers more often than not) are just not acting even when they're in range to do (effective) things? I had a couple of videos to cite, but I of course forgot because I put it off for a couple of reasons. Initially, I thought it was the maps, the unused maps, because honestly I still think some of them need to just die or not be used--I'll talk more about that after the tournament, though, since there will still be plenty of time for kvetching when Season 5 is done.

However, that doesn't seem to be the case and it's weirding me out since I thought that, little nuances aside, I was pretty decent at predicting the AI. I don't think there's anything that can be done to change it, but I'm wondering if anyone else has even noticed it in the first place.

If not, then feel free to ignore me (as per usual). IGNORE ME!

[formerdeathcorps]

I think I've enjoyed more of the matches there so far than in Winner's Bracket, if only because Winner's Bracket is going exactly how I thought it would. We'll see who wins the Loser's Finals ends, though.

Same here, though I can't pretend being able to commentate on battles isn't a bonus.

Before I forget again, I have to ask: Am I the only noticing that quite a few times some units (for some reason, it seems to be Lancers more often than not) are just not acting even when they're in range to do (effective) things? I had a couple of videos to cite, but I of course forgot because I put it off for a couple of reasons. Initially, I thought it was the maps, the unused maps, because honestly I still think some of them need to just die or not be used--I'll talk more about that after the tournament, though, since there will still be plenty of time for kvetching when Season 5 is done.

However, that doesn't seem to be the case and it's weirding me out since I thought that, little nuances aside, I was pretty decent at predicting the AI. I don't think there's anything that can be done to change it, but I'm wondering if anyone else has even noticed it in the first place.

Not just you.  That's true on a good number of maps (unfinished or not), and is most prevalent on certain maps like St. Muround Temple (50), Underground Passage in Goland (38?) and others, where Team 1 or 2 will not properly haste squadmates or advance.  Another issue is that if the AI knows it will double turn if no actions/movements are taken and the target is due to be KO'd before his action, the AI will do nothing for one turn to attack on the second turn.

As for lancers, they will not jump if the target they want to jump on will move out of range, though they do not account for haste.  Remember that a 9 SPD lancer technically has a 6 CTR charge (same as flare without short charge) and a 10 SPD lancer has a 5 CTR charge.

[The Damned]

(Thanks for the prompt respond.)

I don't really want to take up the thread with this since I'm sure there will be a post-S5 thread, but yeah, sort of what I was getting at.

I was aware of the Jump issue, which is another reason I loathe why Haste in its current form. I wasn't aware of the double turn thing, though. Perhaps that accounts for some of what I'm seeing. I'm pretty sure it doesn't account for all it, but I'll try to see how if I can find the videos I noticed it while keeping that in mind before next week (since I'm going to be busy for the next two days).

[Wiz]

Just to let you all know, Piercewise recorded Loser's Match 48 using Match 41's maps, so I switched the two around to avoid repeats. Only reason why this occured was because the bracket itself was outdated at one point in time to the degree it became unclear who recorded what matches in Round 5 (fixed now <_<).

Anyways, looking forward to your vids Gaignun

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 17

Damn, BlameGod's Ninja nearly solo'ed the FFM's ENTIRE squad both rounds :shock:

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 18

Wow, LOTS of RNG Failure on OGB's team, even though he still prevailed =P
I Hope I fight BG simply because I'm scared of that DO Wizard and her good compat with my team.

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 19

Lol at the rxn's triggering at 10:56 bringing it to a Round 3 + those two 40% shots connecting is just too bad for Tonberry

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 20

Damn that Monk is strong and those Breaks made quite a difference in the long run <_<

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 21

Oh yeah, Koko lubed and stopped Veliuz's team with that Oil and Tentacles/Ivy of his >_>

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 22

Damn, GJ FDC

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 23

R1 Screwed CT5 w/ all the water, but even so, his earth absorption proved too much fo Smitson, GJ you two.

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 24

GRRRR8 Match! MOTHER FUCKING FRRRRRRROGS BABY =D

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 25

Ahh, LordBobBree's Luck ran out

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 26

Lots of back and forth action, GJ you two. That Triple KO by Angelus in Round 3 was sexy ^_^

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 27

Those Please Eats are deadly as hell :shock:

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 28

Lack of Haste on Shade's Team Clinched it for DomieV

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 29

Sage Skillset at work! GJ Dol ;)

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 30

Round 1 was funny to watch w/ that Lancer and Bard tanking at the end, and Round 2 was funny at the end w/ all the status rape lol

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 31

Hard as hell to keep track of who's who! A little bit of Charm + Status made it all the more interesting though, GG Seijin.

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 32

LOL, that distraction was useless in Zigolis + Lenalia Plateau w/ the triple panel Kiku and Frog 2 Proc

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 33

Those Frog 2's from ThrowAway are deadly as hell :o

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 34

Damn, Sleep 2 and Zombie 2 are just Killing the competition >_>

spoiler: LOSERS BRACKET Match 35

Heh, Berserk onto that Time Mage, haven't seen that in a while ^^

[samuchan]

Video Watch Order?

Round 1
Winners    01-32

Losers       01-16


Round 2
Winners   32-48

Losers      17-32


Round 3
Winners   49-56

Losers      33-52


Round 4
Winners   57-60

Losers      53-58


Round 6 (Quarter Finals)
Winners   61-62

Losers      59-60


Round 7 (Semi Finals)
Winners   63

Losers      61-62


Finals
Winners Bracket Champion vs Losers Bracket Champion

[Gaignun]

Match 36 Loser's Bracket
Match 37 Loser's Bracket
Match 38 Loser's Bracket

[CT5Holy]

spoiler

Too much status! My Knight had a shot round 1 - he picked up ~6 or so Speed points, but then Frog hit. And then my Monk went for an Earth Slash (which missed) instead of Repeating Fist to kill your Geomancer. My guess would be to heal the Sacred, but Death Sentence was going to kill the Sacred next turn... /sigh
Your faster team + Haste made things really bad for me, too - it felt like my Knight was just standing still the whole time. Speedy Chemist made sure I did no real damage. And then Frog. :3
Good luck Mel!

[krilz]

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Aww. A shame that neither CT5Holy and Kokojo made it since I really liked their ideas with elemental-themed teams.

Hilarious commentary with the all the cooking references. Did Gaignun just finish an "Iron Chef"-marathon or something? :)