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Title: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 14, 2011, 04:19:22 pm
Here we go.

Set 1
dinosaur vs CT5Holy
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MexXv_nU20s)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgN0-M1GXQw)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_udQ7Kq4lcQ)

The Damned vs Melancthon
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqDFm4ujtU)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx0vB5GNhP4)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OChVVFKtlFM)

philsov vs Otabo
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCl-ji30aI4)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JlwK8oWNKA)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-R7_TppSvg)

Gotwald vs LightningHax
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ptTBQwBkQ)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0K5qCQKzNA)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMA2gccBLk)

Barren vs Eternal248
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oTiQxXqFE)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyIO7am1C1k)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ETEL2zziY)

Celdia vs Zaen
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JkEKFMpyFU)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSouVGzOlX0)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68DWF57hfMY)

Skip Sandwich vs DomieV
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB9HuG10Io)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6kEaBqzq9A)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPT_w4IhDho)

Pride vs BlameGod
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIGRce-yNc)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng-sVCqRLPM)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCo7MHLZ4E4)


Set 2
CT5Holy vs Melancthon
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiE_q_C3q6I)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHRfH2zw58k)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq3N8Jp9mJQ)

Otabo vs Gotwald
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awx9nLoPWnE)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2GTdu44Rzo)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVlUNhYtbc)

Barren vs Zaen
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNfyh6EaW5U)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MooaKlrQT3w)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJewQQY2_lI)

Skip Sandwich vs Pride
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRz15WvorfU)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mxE8T0yWzU)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5UfIRmkv28)


Set 3
CT5Holy vs Gotwald
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILPQdyigX8I)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMHk7o3zpXs)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TEfYacoSyo)

Zaen vs Pride
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WepZm3GJrE4)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm-R3zb6kLM)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnJ8pPSEW6k)


Set 4
CT5Holy vs Pride
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7YnXrD2DK8)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys9yfa1K_q0)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmlkmVoPuQA)


TEAMS
Blake            | Paladin          | Blood Sword
Male             | Basic Skill      | Crystal Shield
Scorpio          | Speed Save       | Gold Helmet
70 Brave         | Attack Up        | Carabini Mail
50 Faith         | Move +1          | Dracula Mantle

>>>Paladin:
>>>Squire: Accumulate, Throw Stone, Wish  

Martello         | Monk             |
Male             | Ninjitsu         |
Scorpio          | PA Save          | Ribbon
70 Brave         | Two Swords       | Black Costume
50 Faith         |                  | Sprint Shoes

>>>Monk: Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  
>>>Ninja: Shuriken  

Brie             | Time Mage        | Wizard Staff
Female           | Summon Magic     |
Taurus           | MP Restore       | Green Beret
50 Brave         | Short Charge     | Silk Robe
70 Faith         | Teleport         | Chantage

>>>Time Mage: Haste  
>>>Summoner: Moogle, Fairy, Lich  

Copycat          | Mime             |
Male             |                  |
Scorpio          |                  |
70 Brave         |                  |
65 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime:

Wiegraf          | Paladin          | Chaos Blade
Male             | Item             |
Serpentarius     | Damage Split     | Barbuta
70 Brave         | Throw Item       | Carabini Mail
40 Faith         |                  | Battle Boots

>>>Paladin: Iron Will, 0  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion, Ether, Antidote, Eye Drop, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down  

Loffrey          | Scholar          | Rune Blade
Male             | Sing             | Aegis Shield
Serpentarius     | HP Restore       | Flash Hat
40 Brave         | Equip Shield     | Wizard Outfit
70 Faith         | Move-MP Up       | Iron Boots

>>>Scholar: Bio, Bio 3  
>>>Bard: Last Song  

Kletian          | Geomancer        | Rune Blade
Male             | Summon Magic     | Aegis Shield
Serpentarius     | Damage Split     | Twist Headband
70 Brave         | Overwhelm        | Wizard Outfit
70 Faith         |                  | Diamond Armlet

>>>Geomancer: Pitfall, Water Ball, Hell Ivy, Carve Model, Local Quake, Kamaitachi, Demon Fire, Quicksand, Sand Storm, Blizzard, Gusty Wind, Lava Ball  
>>>Summoner: Fairy, Silf  

Vormav           | Paladin          | Chaos Blade
Male             | Basic Skill      |
Serpentarius     | HP Restore       | Barbuta
70 Brave         | Attack Up        | Carabini Mail
40 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | Battle Boots

>>>Paladin: Iron Will, Magicward  
>>>Squire: Accumulate, Throw Stone, Yell  

Isadora          | Dancer           | Ryozan Silk
Female           | Item             |
Serpentarius     | Damage Split     | Barbuta
70 Brave         | Equip Armor      | Carabini Mail
40 Faith         |                  | Iron Boots

>>>Dancer: Wiznaibus  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion  

Backup Dancer 1  | Mime             |
Male             |                  |
Serpentarius     |                  |
70 Brave         |                  |
40 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime:

Backup Dancer 2  | Mime             |
Male             |                  |
Serpentarius     |                  |
70 Brave         |                  |
40 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime:

Josephine        | Dancer           | Ryozan Silk
Female           | Item             |
Serpentarius     | Damage Split     | Barbuta
70 Brave         | Equip Armor      | Carabini Mail
40 Faith         |                  | Iron Boots

>>>Dancer: Wiznaibus  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion  

Monk             | Monk             | FS Bag
Male             | Sing             |
Virgo            | Counter          | Barbuta
70 Brave         | Equip Armor      | Carabini Mail
40 Faith         |                  | Bracer

>>>Monk: Repeating Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  
>>>Bard: Life Song, Battle Song  

Mimic            | Mime             |
Male             |                  |
Capricorn        |                  |
70 Brave         |                  |
40 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime: 0  

Mime             | Mime             |
Male             |                  |
Capricorn        |                  |
70 Brave         |                  |
40 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0  

Allure           | Dancer           | Cashmere
Female           | Item             |
Capricorn        | Counter Flood    | Black Hood
70 Brave         | Defense Up       | Brigandine
40 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | Cherche

>>>Dancer: Wiznaibus  
>>>Chemist: X-Potion, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down  

Gina             | Thief            | Orichalcum
Female           | Item             |
Scorpio          | Dragon Spirit    | Green Beret
60 Brave         | Throw Item       | Black Costume
60 Faith         | Move +1          | Vanish Mantle

>>>Thief: Bad Luck, Steal Heart  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion, Ether, Phoenix Down  

Zero             | Thief            | Orichalcum
Male             | Punch Art        | Venetian Shield
Pisces           | Dragon Spirit    | Green Beret
60 Brave         | Equip Shield     | Brigandine
60 Faith         |                  | Vanish Mantle

>>>Thief: Bad Luck, Steal Heart  
>>>Monk: Spin Fist, Secret Fist, Stigma Magic, Revive  

Mina             | Samurai          | H Bag
Male             | Punch Art        | Escutcheon II
Scorpio          | Abandon          | Circlet
40 Brave         | Equip Shield     | Gold Armor
60 Faith         |                  | Dracula Mantle

>>>Samurai: Murasame, Muramasa  
>>>Monk: Spin Fist, Secret Fist, Stigma Magic, Revive  

Yumi             | Time Mage        | H Bag
Female           | White Magic      |
Cancer           | Damage Split     | Golden Hairpin
70 Brave         | Defense UP       | Light Robe
70 Faith         |                  | Angel Ring

>>>Time Mage: Haste, Slow  
>>>Priest: Cure 2, Raise, Esuna  

Eddy             | Ninja            | Ninja Knife
Male             | Item             | Ninja Knife
Capricorn        | Speed Save       | Green Beret
70 Brave         | Attack Up        | Santa Outfit
55 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | Angel Ring

>>>Ninja: Shuriken  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion, Phoenix Down  

Boomer           | Mediator         | Stone Gun
Male             | Steal            |
Virgo            | Regenerator      | Flash Hat
50 Brave         | Defense UP       | Santa Outfit
55 Faith         | Move +1          | Angel Ring

>>>Mediator: Blackmail, Insult, Mimic Daravon  
>>>Thief: Steal Heart  

NoStar           | Paladin          | Ice Brand
Male             | Punch Art        | Ice Shield
Taurus           | HP Restore       | Cross Helmet
70 Brave         | Martial Arts     | Carabini Mail
55 Faith         |                  | 108 Gems

>>>Paladin: Nurse, Iron Will, Grand Cross  
>>>Monk: Repeating Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  

Rosey            | Archer           | Glacier Gun
Female           | Basic Skill      | Ice Shield
Capricorn        | Faith UP         | Thief Hat
50 Brave         | Magic Attack UP  | Brigandine
65 Faith         | Jump +1          | 108 Gems

>>>Archer: Leg Aim, Arm Aim, Greased Bolt  
>>>Squire: Heal, Yell, Wish  

Fred             | Monk             |
Male             | Basic Skill      |
Virgo            | Brave Up         | Black Hood
70 Brave         | Equip Clothes    | Light Robe
40 Faith         | Move-HP UP       | Defense Ring

>>>Monk: Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  
>>>Squire:

Velma            | Scholar          | Ivory Rod
Female           | Draw Out         |
Pisces           | Abandon          | Holy Miter
70 Brave         | Magic Attack UP  | White Robe
40 Faith         | Jump +2          | Vanish Mantle

>>>Scholar:
>>>Samurai: Murasame, Kikuichimoji, Chirijiraden  

Daphne           | Samurai          | Murasame
Female           | Talk Skill       |
Pisces           | Dragon Spirit    | Circlet
70 Brave         | Magic Attack UP  | Platina Armor
40 Faith         |                  | Magic Gauntlet

>>>Samurai: Masamune, Chirijiraden  
>>>Mediator: Blackmail, Praise, Mimic Daravon  

Shaggy           | Chemist          | Romanda Gun
Male             | Snipe            |
Taurus           | HP Restore       | Flash Hat
70 Brave         | Defense UP       | Secret Clothes
40 Faith         | Jump +2          | Sprint Shoes

>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down  
>>>Archer: Arm Aim  

Ironside         | Monk             |
Male             | Basic Skill      |
Cancer           | HP Restore       |
70 Brave         | Two Swords       | Power Sleeve
60 Faith         |                  | Bracer

>>>Monk: Wave Fist, Chakra  
>>>Squire: Accumulate, Throw Stone, Wish  

Zaen             | Lancer           | Obelisk
Male             | Basic Skill      | Venetian Shield
Pisces           | Abandon          | Barbuta
70 Brave         | Defend           | Carabini Mail
55 Faith         | Move +1          | Power Wrist

>>>Lancer: Level Jump5, Vertical Jump5  
>>>Squire: Accumulate  

Scarlett         | Summoner         | Wizard Staff
Female           | Yin Yang Magic   |
Scorpio          | Awareness        | Golden Hairpin
40 Brave         | Magic Attack UP  | Linen Robe
70 Faith         |                  | 108 Gems

>>>Summoner: Moogle, Shiva, Ramuh, Ifrit, Leviathan, Titan, Fairy  
>>>Oracle: Spell Absorb  

Maria            | Samurai          | Kiyomori
Female           | Elemental        |
Virgo            | Awareness        | Circlet
60 Brave         | Magic Attack UP  | Platina Armor
50 Faith         |                  | Genji Gauntlet

>>>Samurai: Murasame, Muramasa, Chirijiraden  
>>>Geomancer: Pitfall, Water Ball, Hell Ivy, Carve Model, Local Quake, Kamaitachi, Demon Fire, Quicksand, Sand Storm, Blizzard, Gusty Wind, Lava Ball  

Good             | Thief            | Muramasa
Male             | Item             |
Taurus           | Speed Save       | Green Beret
70 Brave         | Equip Heavy Blad | Earth Clothes
40 Faith         | Move +1          | Sprint Shoes

>>>Thief: Quickening  
>>>Chemist: X-Potion, Ether, Phoenix Down  

Morning          | Monk             |
Male             | Ninjitsu         |
Taurus           | Counter Flood    | Cachusha
70 Brave         | Attack UP        | Power Sleeve
40 Faith         |                  | 108 Gems

>>>Monk: Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  
>>>Ninja: Suiton  

Afternoon        | Monk             |
Male             | Ninjitsu         |
Taurus           | Counter Flood    | Ribbon
70 Brave         | Attack UP        | Power Sleeve
40 Faith         |                  | 108 Gems

>>>Monk: Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  
>>>Ninja: Suiton  

Night            | Time Mage        | Wizard Staff
Female           | Summon Magic     |
Scorpio          | Counter Magic    | Golden Hairpin
60 Brave         | Short Charge     | Linen Robe
70 Faith         |                  | Chantage

>>>Time Mage: Haste 2  
>>>Summoner: Moogle, Fairy, Bahamut  

Drast            | Monk             |
Male             | Ninjitsu         |
Aries            | Counter          |
70 Brave         | Attack Up        | Earth Clothes
40 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | Bracer

>>>Monk: Earth Slash, Stigma Magic  
>>>Ninja: Houkouton  

Tobias           | Monk             |
Male             | Ninjitsu         |
Aries            | Counter          |
70 Brave         | Attack Up        | Earth Clothes
40 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | Bracer

>>>Monk: Earth Slash, Stigma Magic  
>>>Ninja: Houkouton  

Sasha            | Time Mage        | H Bag
Female           | White Magic      |
Libra            | Critical Quick   | Cachusha
40 Brave         | Defense Up       | Brigandine
70 Faith         |                  | Sprint Shoes

>>>Time Mage: Haste, Slow 2  
>>>Priest: Cure 3, Raise 2, Reraise, Esuna  

Constantine      | Archer           | Romanda Gun
Male             | White Magic      | Mythril Shield
Aries            | Speed Save       | Golden Hairpin
70 Brave         | Defense Up       | Rubber Costume
70 Faith         | Move-MP UP       | Sprint Shoes

>>>Archer: Arm Aim  
>>>Priest: Raise 2  

Earthy           | Scholar          | Wizard Rod
Female           | White Magic      |
Virgo            | Damage Split     | Black hood
50 Brave         | Magic Attack Up  | Earth Clothes
70 Faith         | Move-MP up       | Magic Gauntlet

>>>Scholar: Earth Dragon  
>>>Priest: Raise  

Earthyy          | Scholar          | Wizard Rod
Female           | White Magic      |
Virgo            | Damage Split     | Black hood
50 Brave         | Magic Attack Up  | Earth Clothes
70 Faith         | Move-MP up       | Magic Gauntlet

>>>Scholar: Earth Dragon  
>>>Priest: Raise  

Gotwald          | Monk             |
Male             | Item             |
Pisces           |                  | Cachusha
70 Brave         | Overwhelm        | Brigandine
70 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | 108 Gems

>>>Monk: Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra  
>>>Chemist: Phoenix Down  

Dirtmuncher      | Monk             |
Male             | Item             |
Pisces           |                  | Cachusha
70 Brave         | Overwhelm        | Brigandine
70 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | 108 Gems

>>>Monk: Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra  
>>>Chemist: Phoenix Down  

Martin           | Mediator         | Blaze Gun
Male             | Snipe            |
Leo              | Speed Save       | Thief Hat
70 Brave         | Unyielding       | Black Costume
70 Faith         | Jump +2          | Small Mantle

>>>Mediator: Praise, Threaten, Mimic Daravon  
>>>Archer: Greased Bolt, Hawk's Eye, Shield Break  

Marigold         | Archer           | Blaze Gun
Female           | Item             | Ice Shield
Aries            | Speed Save       | Thief Hat
70 Brave         | Throw Item       | Black Costume
70 Faith         | Jump +2          | Small Mantle

>>>Archer: Greased Bolt, Hawk's Eye, Armor Break  
>>>Chemist: X-Potion, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Phoenix Down  

Luther           | Thief            | Short Edge
Male             | Yin Yang Magic   | Escutcheon II
Leo              | Abandon          | Golden Hairpin
70 Brave         | Equip Shield     | Earth Clothes
70 Faith         | Move-MP UP       | Vanish Mantle

>>>Thief: Steal Heart, Speed Ruin  
>>>Oracle: Blind, Life Drain, Silence Song  

Barbara          | Time Mage        | Healing Staff
Female           | White Magic      |
Sagittarius      | Absorb Used MP   | Golden Hairpin
70 Brave         | Magic Defend UP  | Robe of Lords
70 Faith         | Move-MP UP       | Vanish Mantle

>>>Time Mage: Haste, Slow  
>>>Priest: Cure 2, Raise 2, Holy  

Hamwitch         | Chemist          |
Male             | Sing             | Stone Gun
Leo              | Speed Save       | Black Hood
57 Brave         | Unyielding       | Brigandine
46 Faith         | Jump +1          | Dracula Mantle

>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down  
>>>Bard: Angel Song, Life Song, Cheer Song  

LightningHax     | Archer           | Long Bow
Male             | Item             |
Gemini           | Speed Save       | Black Hood
63 Brave         | Throw Item       | Power Sleeve
55 Faith         | Jump +1          | Dracula Mantle

>>>Archer: Head Break, Armor Break, Shield Break, Weapon Break  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Potion, Soft, Phoenix Down  

Taiga            | Priest           |
Female           | Punch Art        | H Bag
Aquarius         |                  | Green Beret
44 Brave         | Defense Up       | Santa Outfit
68 Faith         | Move-MP Up       | Magic Ring

>>>Priest: Cure 3, Raise 2, Esuna  
>>>Monk: Secret Fist, Stigma Magic  

Minorin          | Summoner         | H Bag
Female           | Time Magic       |
Aquarius         |                  | Green Beret
42 Brave         | Defense Up       | Santa Outfit
69 Faith         | Move-MP Up       | 108 Gems

>>>Summoner: Moogle, Ramuh, Ifrit, Leviathan, Titan, Fairy  
>>>Time Mage: Haste 2  

Jambalaya        | Monk             |
Male             | Elemental        |
Scorpio          | Counter Flood    | Ribbon
40 Brave         | Attack Up        | Brigandine
50 Faith         | Move-HP Up       | Power Wrist

>>>Monk: Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive  
>>>Geomancer: Pitfall, Water Ball, Hell Ivy, Carve Model, Local Quake, Kamaitachi, Demon Fire, Quicksand, Sand Storm, Blizzard  

CrawfishPie      | Summoner         |
Female           | Time Magic       | Battle Dict
Taurus           | Critical Quick   | Green Beret
40 Brave         | Short Charge     | White Robe
70 Faith         |                  | Angel Ring

>>>Summoner: Moogle, Fairy, Lich  
>>>Time Mage: Haste 2, Slow 2, Balance  

FileGumbo        | Oracle           | Iron Fan
Female           | Summon Magic     |
Taurus           | Counter Flood    | Green Beret
40 Brave         | Short Charge     | White Robe
70 Faith         |                  | Angel Ring

>>>Oracle: Spell Absorb, Life Drain, Silence Song, Paralyze  
>>>Summoner: Moogle, Fairy, Lich  

AccordianSolo    | Mime             |
Male             |                  |
Scorpio          |                  |
40 Brave         |                  |
70 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime:

Tyrannosaurus    | Mime             |
Female           |                  |
Aquarius         |                  |
50 Brave         |                  |
70 Faith         |                  |

>>>Mime:

Kokojosaurus     | Scholar          | Papyrus Plate
Female           | Basic Skill      |
Capricorn        | Damage Split     | Golden Hairpin
50 Brave         | Defense up       | White Robe
70 Faith         | Jump +2          | Feather Mantle

>>>Scholar: Bio 2, Tornado  
>>>Squire:

Penisosaur       | Monk             |
Male             | Talk skill       |
Taurus           | HP restore       | Platina Helmet
65 Brave         | Equip Armor      | Genji Armor
60 Faith         | Jump +1          | Bracer

>>>Monk: Stigma Magic, Revive  
>>>Mediator: Praise, Mimic Daravon  

Judy             | Bard             | Bloody Strings
Male             | Item             |
Gemini           | Projectile guard | Platina Helmet
60 Brave         | Equip Armor      | Genji Armor
65 Faith         |                  | Angel Ring

>>>Bard: Angel Song, Life Song, Nameless Song  
>>>Chemist: Hi-Ether, Phoenix Down  

Mateus           | Bard             | Fairy Harp
Male             | White Magic      |
Pisces           | Regenerator      | Ribbon
51 Brave         | Defense UP       | Santa Outfit
47 Faith         | Fly              | Magic Ring

>>>Bard: Angel Song, Life Song, Magic Song  
>>>Priest: Cure 2, Raise 2, Protect, Shell, Esuna  

Ice Azer         | Summoner         | Ice Rod
Female           | Black Magic      | Ice Shield
Virgo            | MP Restore       | Barette
51 Brave         | Equip Shield     | Black Costume
70 Faith         |                  | Dracula Mantle

>>>Summoner: Shiva, Leviathan, Fairy, Cyclops  
>>>Wizard: Ice, Ice 2, Ice 3, Ice 4, Poison  

Ice Goddess      | Samurai          | Glacier Gun
Female           | Snipe            |
Virgo            | Meatbone Slash   | Thief Hat
51 Brave         | Equip Ranged     | Santa Outfit
70 Faith         | Jump +2          | 108 Gems

>>>Samurai: Asura, Murasame, Kiyomori, Muramasa  
>>>Archer: Armor Break, Shield Break, Weapon Break  

Water Azer       | Summoner         | Ice Rod
Female           | Black Magic      | Ice Shield
Virgo            | MP Restore       | Barette
51 Brave         | Equip Shield     | Black Costume
70 Faith         |                  | Dracula Mantle

>>>Summoner: Shiva, Leviathan, Fairy, Cyclops  
>>>Wizard: Ice, Ice 2, Ice 3, Ice 4, Poison  


If there are problems with any team, let me know.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: dinosaur on January 14, 2011, 04:28:57 pm
Omg I am going to die first round.

Congratulations CT5Holy. And FU! :D
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: philsov on January 14, 2011, 05:24:40 pm
Monks are lovingly popular.

*hi-fives everyone else who's sporting mimes*
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 05:37:22 pm
Mateus should have Esuna instead of Wall. Otherwise, my team looks accurate with regards to what I sent you last night.

My, quite a few Mimes and only one of the teams--Gotwald's Earth team--is old. Nice also see a few Mediators; looks like the change to Archer's skillset boosted them a bit. Looks like a good variation, even if it's weird to see only 3 elemental-absorbing teams (including mine); thank Shiva there isn't another Ice-absorb team, though I'm still kind of curious what would happen....

It's also weird to see so many instances of Steal and yet only CT5Holy is trying to use Quickening. I am at once both relieved and disappointed.

Personally, I look forward to seeing how Celdia's team performs--pun not intended--considering Wiznaibus's...problems.

Good luck, everyone.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: FFMaster on January 14, 2011, 05:50:44 pm
Ok, my bad. Fixed Mateus.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: Eternal on January 14, 2011, 05:52:07 pm
What's the problem with Wiznaibus?
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: CT5Holy on January 14, 2011, 05:58:18 pm
Opponents with Speed Save. And the damage is easily mitigated.

Quite a few high faith units, and a decent amount of Earth/Water cancel/half/absorb. I guess I still have Bahamut. And a speedy Thief. Especially if Speed Save triggers! :3
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: Eternal on January 14, 2011, 06:00:34 pm
Ah, Speed Save. I thought you meant there was some problem with Wiznaibus itself.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: Celdia on January 14, 2011, 06:05:56 pm
Well if my team performs as intended I won't have to worry much about Speed Save as the units that tend to have it will be dead before it procs too many times, save for that one Paladin on Otabo's team, so here's hoping I don't have to face off against him. ^_^

Also, with the repeats of the skill from my Mimes between two Dancers I think it'll be dealing enough damage to kill most units not in heavy armor before they can get close enough to hit me on anything but the smallest maps. At least, that's the plan. We'll see how it goes, of course. Best of luck to everyone!
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 06:30:28 pm
Which is why I look forward to your team the most, Celdia. (Unless I have to face it, of course.)

I'd go further and say that Wiznaibus normally has problems with more than just Speed Save reaction-wise. Both PA Save and MA Save are problems for it as well as Damage Split, Dragon Spirit (on tanky units that can heal themselves once they Reraise), HP Restore and, to a much lesser degree, Counter Flood, Critical Quick and Regenerator (at least on units with more HP). Hell, even Auto Potion would technically give it trouble (though it's not like anyone uses that).

(EDIT: Whoops. My bad. Wiznaibus doesn't trigger Counter Flood thankfully.)

The more I look at the team list, the more I feel like I should have picked Float over Fly last night before sending in the team, especially since my units and Gotwald's team have Best Compat. all over the place and he has the advantage in that regard. Oh well. Just my usual lack of luck really.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: LightningHax on January 14, 2011, 06:32:25 pm
Wow. I thought more people would use equipment breaks. What don't you like about unhealable damage?

Also, I don't see myself winning the first round. Maybe if I spam Head Break... nah, the AI will probably try to break
the Brigandines.

Now to run in circles until the videos show up :D
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 06:38:22 pm
People probably don't like that it can miss, especially with Concentrate dead now. If Concentrate was still in the picture, it'd be a pretty foolproof bet to wager that more people would be using Equip Break skills.

Also doesn't really help that no one is using a Primary Ninja and that the only units that are even using Two Swords, all of two of them, don't even have the Snipe Skillset. Oh well. That at least three teams are using them is more than I had expected, actually.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament
Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 14, 2011, 09:30:33 pm
my Mediator and Archer have equipment breaks in order to bypass Fire Absorb equipment, also, they have Hawk's Eye because I wasn't sure if M-evasion applied to magic gun attacks. I am also glad to see that Black Costumes aren't quite as prevalent as they used to be, mine and The Damned's team are the only ones with more then 1 fire-absorbing unit (both of us also stuck Ice Shields on at least 1 of our Black Costume wearing units)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 14, 2011, 10:01:11 pm
dinosaur vs CT5Holy
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs7yUdCpEuA)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot_onQoCXnk)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pj4c8OSn6Y)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 10:14:06 pm
And thus has it begun. That was quite quick, FFMaster.

Oh, I've been meaning to ask/clarify: There's no loser's bracket for this tournament, is there?

Quote from: Skip Sandwich on January 14, 2011, 09:30:33 pm
my Mediator and Archer have equipment breaks in order to bypass Fire Absorb equipment, also, they have Hawk's Eye because I wasn't sure if M-evasion applied to magic gun attacks. I am also glad to see that Black Costumes aren't quite as prevalent as they used to be, mine and The Damned's team are the only ones with more then 1 fire-absorbing unit (both of us also stuck Ice Shields on at least 1 of our Black Costume wearing units)


I'm pretty sure that spell guns, like regular guns, always hit except against Blade Grasp and now (maybe in the case of spell guns) Projectile Guard. That's why I raised an eyebrow at your units having the Hawk's Eye ability. Oh well. I suppose I shouldn't talk since I'm not 100% certain that Meatbone Slash even works with spell guns. It should, but it's been forever since I've actually played the game and the BMG doesn't really confirm or deny one way or the other.

Glad to see someone is trying to make use of Greased Bolt. I was considering it, but I think I was going to wait until the monsters got released. Maybe I'll try to make one sooner than that now....

Also, I find it funny that we did the Ice Shield with Black Costume thing for exact opposite reasons.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Pride on January 14, 2011, 10:26:05 pm
What a brilliant idea from CT5Holy, currently my favorite team because of it
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 10:29:14 pm
Okay, as I said on Youtube, I'm really confused why Faith status interacts the way it does with (unevadable) Raiton, Katon and Suiton. Shouldn't the damage go to 0?
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: dinosaur on January 14, 2011, 10:36:12 pm
Shananagins! Arena should be in alpha! RAGES!

Why did not my scholar do nothing?? And I meant to give my monk the ability to use reraise for a talk skill

Further, those monks- why is that ability so strong and have such great range. I feel it is too strong.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 10:43:18 pm
I can't really answer the Scholar thing, but Mediator's don't have a Reraise ability--I'm assuming you mean 1.3's Preach--in Arena. That got changed at least a month or two ago. Kind of evident by looking at the Master Guide, which also answers your other ability (at least with regards to straight out damage potential); I'm obviously confused by the Faith Status thing at present, so I can't explain that either.


Take on it Faith EDIT: Oh, okay. I read the BMG again and in Section 5.5, it answers the Faith thing a lot more clearly:

[Faith]
Appearance:  Arrow up and Glabados cross in a speech balloon above character's head
Description:  Character's Faith is considered to be 100. (exception: UN-TRUTH attacks consider the character's Faith to be zero.)
Cancels: Innocent
Add with: Pray Faith, Faith, Faith Rod (25%), Faith Rod (A)
Cancel with: Dispel Magic, Despair, Despair 2, Odd Soundwave, add Innocent
Duration:  32 clockticks


CT5Holy, you magnificent son of a bitch. I should have read aerostar's book (more closely). I had thought your weapon choice as a mistake (or, at least, was only meant for the Time Mage), but obviously not.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 14, 2011, 11:00:09 pm
Yep. You can hear my understanding of it during the video =p. I have read the BMG plenty of times, but a few tricks like that I always forget.

As for the Monks dealing a lot of damage, CT5 had to sacrifice a lot for it. Monk(best class for PA), Power Sleeve, 108 Gems, Attack UP and 40 Faith(although this might be a benefit) all in one. It is very strong, yes. As the battles move on, I guess we'll see.

As for whether this tournament is single or double elim, I was planning for it to be double, but now, I realise how many videos there will be. Gotwald has already offered his help, and I wouldn't mind more. They will help in the Losers bracket. Otherwise, it will just be single elimination.

EDIT: Also, is the volume too high? I only just noticed that it was pretty loud on my speakers. If so, I'll tone it down.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 11:06:57 pm
I'll try to help if...I can. I still need to see if I can even run videos on this computer; I guess I should get around to seeing if I can do that tonight or tomorrow finally. I also wouldn't be using a mic if I helped though, so it's not like I'd be much aid.

Your volume is fine, especially since I apparently missed an explanation along the way, so it's not like you're blaring or anything.

Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 15, 2011, 12:18:09 am
The fight needs to be rerun. I found out why the Scholar had no skills. In the spreadsheet, if you have no secondary skillset, the generator doesn't add skills for them. So that Scholar had no skills at all.

Also, Suiton was getting pumped by Martial Arts, which shouldn't be happening. So yeah, I need to fix that up too.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 15, 2011, 12:35:36 am
That explains a lot, though it more answers the question of why the Scholar was being extra-idiotic than the reiteration of the point that time and time again, Martial Arts is a troublesome piece of shit.

(Sorry, but I just really loathe Martial Arts and Monks in general, as generics anyway. Not that I won't use them [in Arena and 1.3], but they're just so bothersome for game balance...and I'll just leave it there before I go into a massive digression.)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 15, 2011, 02:58:08 am
Quote from: The Damned on January 14, 2011, 10:14:06 pm
And thus has it begun. That was quite quick, FFMaster.

Oh, I've been meaning to ask/clarify: There's no loser's bracket for this tournament, is there?

I'm pretty sure that spell guns, like regular guns, always hit except against Blade Grasp and now (maybe in the case of spell guns) Projectile Guard. That's why I raised an eyebrow at your units having the Hawk's Eye ability. Oh well. I suppose I shouldn't talk since I'm not 100% certain that Meatbone Slash even works with spell guns. It should, but it's been forever since I've actually played the game and the BMG doesn't really confirm or deny one way or the other.

Glad to see someone is trying to make use of Greased Bolt. I was considering it, but I think I was going to wait until the monsters got released. Maybe I'll try to make one sooner than that now....

Also, I find it funny that we did the Ice Shield with Black Costume thing for exact opposite reasons.


another reason for equipping Hawk's Eye is that it uses a SP * WP damage formula, allowing me to freely damage low-faith units.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: dinosaur on January 15, 2011, 09:42:20 am
FFM Any explanation on the Sage? I do not want to have that again if I participate in next tournament. 
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Pride on January 15, 2011, 09:51:48 am
Quote from: FFMaster on January 15, 2011, 12:18:09 am
The fight needs to be rerun. I found out why the Scholar had no skills. In the spreadsheet, if you have no secondary skillset, the generator doesn't add skills for them. So that Scholar had no skills at all.
Quote from: dinosaur on January 15, 2011, 09:42:20 am
FFM Any explanation on the Sage? I do not want to have that again if I participate in next tournament. 



Always give your unit a secondary, even if it doesn't have any skills.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: LightningHax on January 15, 2011, 10:57:46 am
Actually, just having a secondary doesn't prevent this. They need to have skills learned for their secondary. If you want, just give them the same primary and secondary, then divide the skills among them. It should look something like this:

Kokojosaurus     | Scholar          | Papyrus Plate
Female           | Lore             |
Capricorn        | Damage Split     | Golden Hairpin
50 Brave         | Defense up       | White Robe
70 Faith         | Jump +2          | Feather Mantle

>>>Scholar: Bio 2
>>>Scholar: Tornado 


At least, that's what works for me.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: CT5Holy on January 15, 2011, 12:54:11 pm
Quote from: FFMaster on January 14, 2011, 11:00:09 pm
As for the Monks dealing a lot of damage, CT5 had to sacrifice a lot for it. Monk(best class for PA), Power Sleeve, 108 Gems, Attack UP and 40 Faith(although this might be a benefit) all in one.


Not much of a sacrifice, imo, since I totally whore PA on my monks, anyway. 108 Gems also boosts Earth Slash! =P

Volume was fine. Can't wait for the re-run!

:3
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: PX_Timefordeath on January 15, 2011, 01:10:24 pm
Another solution: Learn the skills in game???
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: BlameGod on January 15, 2011, 01:33:05 pm
I think by 'sacrifice' he just meant invest a lot of configurable options.

That _was_ a pretty disappointing match up, with the highlight being the near 600 damage faithed attack.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: dinosaur on January 15, 2011, 01:50:15 pm
Quote from: BlameGod on January 15, 2011, 01:33:05 pm
That _was_ a pretty disappointing match up, with the highlight being the near 600 damage faithed attack.


Yeah it was. My sage was suppose to be my offense with quake and my mime would mimic it and bound to hit someone since it has such a large AoE
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Kaz on January 15, 2011, 04:01:06 pm
*high fives CT5Holy for using Faith as  NEGATIVE status*
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Melancthon on January 15, 2011, 04:08:13 pm
Quote from: FFMaster on January 15, 2011, 12:18:09 am
The fight needs to be rerun. I found out why the Scholar had no skills. In the spreadsheet, if you have no secondary skillset, the generator doesn't add skills for them. So that Scholar had no skills at all.


Good catch.  My Monk doesn't have any secondary abilities learned, and he sort of needs his primaries to live.


Edit:
Quote from: FFMAlso, is the volume too high?


Your voice is fine, but your background music is a little loud.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 15, 2011, 05:56:23 pm
dinosaur vs CT5Holy Redux
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MexXv_nU20s)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgN0-M1GXQw)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_udQ7Kq4lcQ)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 15, 2011, 07:45:54 pm
Well, that was quick again. Thanks again, FFMaster.

Well, it's good to see that was more even with "buff" to dinosaur's team and the nerf to CT5Holy's teams. (Fucking Monks.)

Anyway, these matches verified further for me that Tornado (and, by connection, Quake) kind of suck. They take way too long to charge for what little damage they do (yes, I'm aware of the space they hit and that this was mostly on low-Faith units) in addition to being able to be dodged by M-EV, not ignoring allies like Summon Magic and being readily available. It seems like they need to not be evadable or take less time to charge or...something.

Also doesn't exactly help that Tornado is the one of only two damaging magical Wind attacks and is rather inferior to Heaven's Cloud is you want to make a Wind absorb team (IMO).

Nice to see a Wind absorb used for once. This match basically highlights why I'll probably never use in Arena Counter Magic, at given its JP cost at present.


Man, that Bard is an idiot. I hope Mateus doesn't act like that. (Damn it, I should have given him Float instead of Fly, Protect and Shell. Oh well.)

Kind of surprised that the Thief chose to Ether the Time Mage instead of himself.


Quote from: Skip Sandwich on January 15, 2011, 02:58:08 am
another reason for equipping Hawk's Eye is that it uses a SP * WP damage formula, allowing me to freely damage low-faith units.


Ah. I'll be.

Funny how much I looked at Archer but utterly ignored Hawk's Eye--even though I think I had something like it--because the other teams I had with Archers were too incoherent for my liking.

Quote from: LightningHax on January 15, 2011, 10:57:46 am
Actually, just having a secondary doesn't prevent this. They need to have skills learned for their secondary. If you want, just give them the same primary and secondary, then divide the skills among them. It should look something like this:


No, they don't. Various units through out Arena had have secondary skillsets without any actual skills in them and they worked as intended. Basically dinosaur should have just picked Yin-Yang Magic or Snipe secondary and he didn't.

Quote from: Kaz on January 15, 2011, 04:01:06 pm
*high fives CT5Holy for using Faith as  NEGATIVE status*


Meh.

Not to be a killjoy, but arguably Faith has ALWAYS been a negative status, especially since it doesn't even work as a defense against Un-Truth skills like it should and all it really does is make your people easier to kill.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 16, 2011, 05:39:04 am
The Damned vs Melancthon
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqDFm4ujtU)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx0vB5GNhP4)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OChVVFKtlFM)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on January 16, 2011, 06:06:10 pm
philsov vs Otabo
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCl-ji30aI4)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JlwK8oWNKA)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-R7_TppSvg)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 16, 2011, 06:19:54 pm
Ahahaha! Best Lich ever in the second round.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: philsov on January 16, 2011, 06:46:40 pm
220 damage from a blood sword onto a 40 fury unit?  daaaamn.

Didn't even notice all the best compat floating around until I saw round 1, heh.

But round 2 is awesome.

gg otabo :D
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Barren on January 16, 2011, 06:52:08 pm
This is actually getting interesting now :) I cant cant wait to see other teams in action. Im also psyched that i get to take on Eternal :) best of luck to you Eternal, we'll have a good match
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Eternal on January 16, 2011, 07:16:33 pm
Indeed we will! I'm kind of afraid we'll get some map with wonky terrain. My Paladins don't like that too much.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 16, 2011, 07:34:03 pm
I'm a little worried about my match with dommieV, from what i'm seeing, it will probably hinge upon two things

A) if I can break the paladin's shield so as to discourage him from grand crossing

B) if i can take his ninja down and keep him down (he's got an angel ring so I can't just blind and evasion tank him)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: DomieV on January 16, 2011, 07:52:15 pm
Looks like i'm up against Skip Sandwich, hopefully my elemental healing without charging can help me out, GL Skip
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on January 16, 2011, 07:53:57 pm
It would appear that you need to relink to Round 3 of philsov vs. Otabo on the front page again, FFMaster.

I find it funny that this match had so much better AI than my own, but I'll gripe about that in a bit. Anyway, it would seem that Shuriken, like Katon, Raiton and Suiton, has a bit too much range. At least compared to the latter three, it's able to be dodged, even if it's more difficult than it should be due to going off of M-EV for...some reason.

Probably the most even round so far, which is saying a bit. Not much to say here outside of Otabo's Mime's AI being better than my entire team's.


And this is why Lich is both far superior to Demi, Demi 2, Death AND Odin at present.


Again, not much to say. I feel like we should fight at Volcano more, at least if it doesn't encumber either team that much.


With regards to my match, god damn the AI is stupid between constantly bunching for AoE and then not using AoE themselves; Mateus didn't even Fly to the top the castle like he could have multiple times in the Round 1. Doesn't help that I just had even worse luck--completely unnecessarily--between getting one of the few long-range maps where LoS was unable to be established (and my Samurai was being an idiot) and, due to Fly and the Summoners being stupid, my team got split up; also got hit with 26% Mimic Daravon thrice in a row, though I guess that's payback for beating Standstill (with Concentrate) in a similar manner (though at least Fuijin's had 36% chances to hit) and it's not like it ultimately mattered.

Sigh. At least I learned some things, like the fact that Summoners on this team should probably NOT have Ice 4 given they weren't using anything else they had (like Shiva or Cyclops). Also that, Mateus really should have gotten Float over Fly, Protect and Shell (and would have gotten it had I been thinking when I came back that night).

Anyway, I don't want to this sound self-important, but given how little damage my team was doing, even with the worst compatibility issues and the halving issues on top of that, I think it's pretty clear that the Faith floor needs to be raised when a 70 Faith female Summoner with an Ice Rod can't even break 100 damage against someone, much less is hitting people for 20.

Meh. I knew I should have gone with that all Serpentarius status team, especially since the Bard there had Float. That or....

*grumbles*
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Post by: Barren on January 16, 2011, 08:01:25 pm
Hey it happens Damned, we all learn from our mistakes.....this is actually a great place to learn about team building, CT5Holy already did a guide on it
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Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 16, 2011, 08:09:26 pm
I'm of the opinion that faith needs to be hacked so as to perform more like fury, going from say +/- 50% base damage/accuracy instead of the way it does currently,  going from 0% to 100% effectiveness.
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Post by: FFMaster on January 16, 2011, 08:44:30 pm
Quote from: Skip Sandwich on January 16, 2011, 08:09:26 pm
I'm of the opinion that faith needs to be hacked so as to perform more like fury, going from say +/- 50% base damage/accuracy instead of the way it does currently,  going from 0% to 100% effectiveness.

I agree with this. It can be done easily, I'm sure, but it would take a while for me to rebalance the spells again.

As for Damned vs Melancthon, I think Damned got the worst matchup out of all the other competitors, as well as a horrible map. Just bad luck from the RNG all round.

Lich, I agree is strong. It has been that way since 1.3 tournaments, it's just that people have neglected it for other better things. With Steal Heart nerfed and Throw non-existant, Lich can finally show off what it does. Demi and Demi 2 have always been terrible imo, and needs a good boost. Odin will probably always be a gimmick I think.
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Post by: The Damned on January 16, 2011, 10:33:05 pm
Even if it's a gimmick, Odin still seems better than Death does. However, I suppose I have an idea of how I can test this out....

And, yeah, Demis have always been bad for some reason. Not sure how to fix that, though perhaps it will be a bit easier since Skeletons aren't likely going to have (free) Demi in Arena.

Quote from: Barren on January 16, 2011, 08:01:25 pm
Hey it happens Damned, we all learn from our mistakes.....this is actually a great place to learn about team building, CT5Holy already did a guide on it


I appear to never learn from my mistakes since I really should have seen a lot of this coming given all the testing I did with the AI when I was working on my patch.

Quote from: Skip Sandwich on January 16, 2011, 08:09:26 pm
I'm of the opinion that faith needs to be hacked so as to perform more like fury, going from say +/- 50% base damage/accuracy instead of the way it does currently,  going from 0% to 100% effectiveness.


I also concur with this, though re-balancing all magic, especially the magic that no one has really used so far. (I'm counting things like the Yin-Yan Magic that isn't Paralyze or Life Drain or Sleep, Lore spells that aren't the hit everyone ones, non-damaging Summon Magic, etc.)

I also suppose I concur with lowering the amount/significance of Best and Worst compatibility. Were we talking about lowering Good and Bad as well? I forget.
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Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 16, 2011, 10:36:40 pm
I believe FFMaster said he was working on capping good/bad compat at +/- 12.5% and Best/worst at +/- 25% or somesuch
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Post by: FFMaster on January 17, 2011, 12:40:42 am
The hack already exists. I just haven't posted it on the forums or implemented it.
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Post by: Celdia on January 17, 2011, 08:07:00 am
Round 2 is the greatest thing I've seen in a while from the AI Tournaments. The was epic.


For the record, I'm actually getting a little nervous about my upcoming match. >_< Excited too, though. ^_^
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Post by: FFMaster on January 17, 2011, 05:34:13 pm
Gotwald vs LightningHax
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ptTBQwBkQ)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0K5qCQKzNA)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMA2gccBLk)
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Post by: Barren on January 17, 2011, 06:41:26 pm
good matches by gotwald, earth dragon spam really proved to be effective in sandbagging and damage
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Post by: dinosaur on January 17, 2011, 06:49:44 pm
Whoa. Strong sages. I guess if Lore is strong enough speed save doesn't really matter.
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Post by: Melancthon on January 18, 2011, 11:15:29 am
Great fights so far!  I'm loving what I'm seeing for teams, too.  A lot of variety and some very interesting set-ups (that Secret-Fisting Priest might be the coolest thing I've ever seen).  Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

GG The Damned!
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Post by: FFMaster on January 18, 2011, 05:25:09 pm
Barren vs Eternal248
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oTiQxXqFE)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyIO7am1C1k)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ETEL2zziY)
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Post by: Eternal on January 18, 2011, 05:41:25 pm
Well, evasion totally owned me. Evasion and enemies who refused to stay dead. I wish my Scholar wasn't such an idiot with his Bio spells. Good game, Barren!
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Post by: Barren on January 18, 2011, 06:00:00 pm
that was a good fight Eternal :) we all shared the love...lol....anyways GG Eternal
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Post by: dinosaur on January 18, 2011, 07:51:33 pm
OMG Barren's team was SO physically weak, it was the high evade that help barren win. Also, I think the AI for Eternal was stupid
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Post by: Barren on January 18, 2011, 09:00:54 pm
Quote from: dinosaur on January 18, 2011, 07:51:33 pm
OMG Barren's team was SO physically weak, it was the high evade that help barren win. Also, I think the AI for Eternal was stupid


thats because i was going for more evade tanking and status instead of dps.....worked so far
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Post by: The Damned on January 18, 2011, 10:59:07 pm
Hunh. I thought I had commented on Gotwald's matches. However, then I remembered that I declined to since there's nothing more I can say about that team that I haven't already said given that it's an old team and the only one that wasn't made just for this tournament.

Nice to see someone else consider (incidentally) whoring Blindness, if only alongside Death Sentence and Dead. Maybe people will use Carbunkle...nah.

If it wasn't for that Charm or the Scholar being such an idiot (and apparently having no way to refill his MP; no Angel Song, really?), then I'm pretty sure that Barren would have lost this round. Not much else to say besides that outside of the male Thief getting hit by everything and the female Thief dodging everything.


Wiegraf's AI was...really weird here. I've said this literally dozens of times, but it's like every time I think I understand the AI, it does something completely off-wall that contradicts something it should normally do.

Otherwise, this match was pretty "lulzy" due to all the AI stupidity and things like that. Hax isn't needed for a match to be funny (outside of evading Secret Fist for three straight minutes).


Man, 07% chance to hit. Haha....

Outside of that, I was pretty cynical when the Scholar got Charmed the first time since he was basically on the enemy team already with his poorly aimed Bios and such.



For the record, I wasn't aware that Bad Luck could follow people; I don't like that considering it's unable to be dodged in the first place (unless you Jump).
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Post by: Eternal on January 18, 2011, 11:07:50 pm
I didn't take Angel Song because his focus was to primarily Quicken the slow Paladins and only defend himself with Bio when things got bad. Shame he didn't work properly, like he did in practice...
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Post by: The Damned on January 18, 2011, 11:17:43 pm
(No real point using spoilers if we're not talking about outcomes.)

Too bad the AI goes by proximity more than "when things get bad", especially since we've all seen how dumb it acts in Critical.

Out of curiosity, who/what did you test it/practice against?
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Post by: Eternal on January 18, 2011, 11:21:12 pm
I tested it against the other teams provided in the Memory Card generator. Part of the reason I think that failed is because they're built off of an older version of Arena, but meh. I had a lot of luck on the bigger maps, where the enemy and I were spread far apart, and my Scholar hated using Bio. Not sure what changed, but something did.

And by "when things get bad", I meant when they got close. I expected them to use Bio when enemies got close, but I didn't expect them to target in a way that would get my own units... and it's even worse when my own units walk into the line of fire. :P
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Post by: The Damned on January 18, 2011, 11:29:38 pm
Yeah, it was kind of odd that they decided to whore Throw Stone only when Bio wasn't going off, though a lot of time Bio just got redirected by the Thief it was cast upon before it went off anyway.

It's kind of sad that to see people use Lore's other skills and see that they seem to suck.
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Post by: Celdia on January 18, 2011, 11:40:31 pm
I almost died laughing at the Esuna in Round 3. That was the unluckiest Geomancer in the history of FFT.
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Post by: FFMaster on January 19, 2011, 04:18:37 pm
Celdia vs Zaen
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JkEKFMpyFU)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSouVGzOlX0)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68DWF57hfMY)
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Post by: Celdia on January 19, 2011, 04:43:28 pm
I knew HP Restore would be my bane. I'd hoped it wouldn't finish me so soon though. If that Monk had been built in any other way, I'd be moving forward. Amazing match, Zaen.

FFM, I want it stated here that I am officially sorry for subjecting you to recording and attempting to commentate that. At least you won't have to deal with it again.
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Post by: Barren on January 19, 2011, 05:27:38 pm
interesting strategy with the hp hitting dancers with 2 mimes....too bad it didnt pay off
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Post by: Eternal on January 19, 2011, 05:42:50 pm
I'd like to see a team like Celdie's in a 1.3 playthrough and see how far it gets. It seems like it'd be devastating.
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Post by: The Damned on January 19, 2011, 07:50:16 pm
From, what, Chapter 1? It'd probably get stopped at Queklain.

Also, as I asked on Youtube, can we just change "Wiznaibus" to "With Knives" already, FFMaster? Like with "Oberisk", it's just kind of noisome to see the Engrish still around.

Oh, and thank you for running things promptly as always.

Looked for to this match only see Monks be bullshit again. Great.

"Ironically", I'm pretty sure that Celdia would have been even closer to winning if it wasn't for the recent HP boost that Monks got due to Paladin needing a nerf. Outside of that, I believe Iron Boots screwed over the team almost as much as HP Restore did; they seem really unnecessary.

As also said on Youtube, I thought that With Knives did more damage than that. Still did its job this match, though that might mostly because the Mime killed the Monk this round.


As also said on Youtube, you'd think that AI would know to avoid 2H+ water, but no....

Anyway, this is the match where we see even more that Iron Boots screwed over the team given that first initial blunder with the Mime.


Sigh. HP Restore...I fucking hate that reaction. I literally blared "fuck you!" at the screen the last time it went off this round because Celdia would have won otherwise. Alas, such is Monk's bullshit and With Knives' many follies.

I really wish there was a way to make it only go off once; same with Dragon Spirit, though that's a lesser evil, especially without being able to spam Elixir A.I. 1.3.


Still, an interesting match, if only because Item wasn't once throughout the three matches, much less spammed.
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Post by: Eternal on January 19, 2011, 07:54:28 pm
Celdie and I decided on Iron Boots so that the AI wouldn't rush forward with the Dancer, particularly on smaller maps. And it gave the Dancers a tad more surviveability.

Not that it mattered in the end.
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Post by: The Damned on January 19, 2011, 08:06:14 pm
Oh, I know why the Iron Boots were there. I'm just saying that they did more harm than good, especially considering Celdia's team compared to yours.

I mean, I was one of the first people to use Iron Boots, so I know why you would use them (and why you shouldn't use them most of the time).
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Post by: Celdia on January 19, 2011, 10:27:46 pm
You can obviously see the intent of my team though. Put it up against someone that isn't using HP Restore (I believe there are several in the bracket) and just watch units fall like sheaves of wheat.
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Post by: The Damned on January 19, 2011, 10:32:07 pm
Oh no. I totally see the intent of your team, which is why I was looking forward to and why I was rooting for it. Otherwise I wouldn't have had that outburst that I mentioned.

I just feel like Iron Boots ended up screwing you over more than anything else, especially since it made your Secondaries completely pointless. (Arguably, those particular same secondaries would be pointless anyway.)
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Post by: Celdia on January 19, 2011, 11:09:51 pm
I think the boots were a solid choice and I stand by them. I was going for a team that removed as many variables from the AI's consideration as possible. The Dancers had two skills, the latter of which was never used because it HAD no use. Mimes don't have a lot of choices except where to stand. Zodiac compatibility was completely removed by use of Serpentarius. It was all calculated almost literally down to the number. But sometimes there is just no accounting for the AI itself, try though we might.
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Post by: FFMaster on January 20, 2011, 03:49:23 am
As a heads up. I'm likely not going to do videos tomorrow. I feel kind of sick.
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Post by: The Damned on January 20, 2011, 07:54:43 am
I hope you feel better, FFMaster. Take your time resting up.

(Time. I meant "time".)
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Post by: FFMaster on January 22, 2011, 06:18:25 pm
Skip Sandwich vs DomieV
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB9HuG10Io)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6kEaBqzq9A)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPT_w4IhDho)
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Post by: Avalanche on January 22, 2011, 07:28:14 pm
Quote from: FFMaster on January 22, 2011, 06:18:25 pm
Skip Sandwich vs DomieV
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB9HuG10Io)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6kEaBqzq9A)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPT_w4IhDho)


Guns always display the dmg for lvl 1 spells, if lvl 2 or 3 is cast, the dmg its higher
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Post by: The Damned on January 22, 2011, 10:06:18 pm
I still need to see if ARENA even works on this computer. Hmmm....

I honestly not sure what I can generally say or even feel about this match-up. I guess it was interesting to see two distant heavy teams face each other. I have to wonder how things would have turned if either of them had any AoE skills sans Mimic Daravon and Haste.

Geez, did you rape the RNG's parents or something, Skip? It seems like always hates you.


I have to wonder if any of the times that we've fought on this map, has there even been unit that just happens to have a Longbow. Seems kind "ironic" that two Archers on the map and they both had guns.

Not really much else to say, outside of the fact that I'm rather unsure of Oil's duration. It seems like it randomly wears off when getting hit by Fire attacks, but not all the time. What's up with that?

(Crap, I just realized I made a typo on Youtube via omission. Oh well.)


I saw where this was going as soon as saw the opening configuration. I have to wonder if there's a unit listing that won't seemingly arbitrarily screw over Stone Gun users. Then again, I forgot the Ninja had Item and it's not like he couldn't have gotten Soft just as precaution.
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Post by: Skip Sandwich on January 22, 2011, 11:38:54 pm
regarding oil's duration, it has none, it lasts until the unit is hit with a fire attack that doesn't also kill it. If the fire attack outright kills the unit, then oil is NOT canceled for some reason. Also, the elemental weakness from oil status STACKS with elemental weakness from equipment, so if you're wearing an ice shield /cursed ring and are afflicted with oil, you will take 4x damage from fire attacks.
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Post by: DomieV on January 23, 2011, 03:55:38 pm
damn i lost! too bad about  the map in round 3, my paladin was no where near my mediator....still, my ninja put up a nice fight. gg skip, hope you do well in this tourney
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Post by: FFMaster on January 23, 2011, 05:08:01 pm
Pride vs BlameGod
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIGRce-yNc)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng-sVCqRLPM)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCo7MHLZ4E4)
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Post by: Pride on January 23, 2011, 11:18:38 pm
Woah, I totally won that third match because of the Don't Act proc on the Archer. It was also amusing to see the monk's Earth Slash each other in two of the matches, and countering the other in to death.

And I do think Wiz teams are better when the Dancers aren't stuck with Iron Boots. They gain a defense boost already from a carpet.
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Post by: The Damned on January 24, 2011, 02:12:34 am
That was a pretty good series of match. I'd argue that it was probably the best one yet.

Yay! The team with fewer Monks and the Dancer without Iron Boots won; I hadn't noticed another two Mimes with With Knives Dancer team. Also, for the record, Earth Slash getting Countered up close happened EVERY round. It's just that the Monk got brought back from it from it pretty immediately in Round 2.

This might be the new most humorous match so between the Counter on Earth Slash the first time, the demonstration of just how crappy Archer's MA is (off-hand, I think only male Lancer's is worse) and a freaking Dancer taking it to that OCRemix of Hakan's theme while procing Oil twice.

I have to wonder why the Dancer didn't use Phoenix Down at all this round. I was also rather surprised see how little MP the Time Mage had, which kept biting her in the ass every round.


Sigh. The computer is so stupid when it's in critical, especially when it's right next to someone it can probably kill. I mean, I know the AI shouldn't confound me anymore or, rather, I shouldn't be surprised when it does, but I don't understand why Pride's Monk went for Life Song over Repeating Fist when it would have been fatal to the Monk right in front of him. I know that AI doesn't see reactions and/or Mime's mimics (for the most part it seems), but it's pretty damn obvious it can at least see the CT.

Meh.


Yeah, the Don't Act off Gusty Wind seemed pretty crucial here. The Counter stupidity happening for the third time also helped.


Quote from: Skip Sandwich on January 22, 2011, 11:38:54 pm
regarding oil's duration, it has none, it lasts until the unit is hit with a fire attack that doesn't also kill it. If the fire attack outright kills the unit, then oil is NOT canceled for some reason. Also, the elemental weakness from oil status STACKS with elemental weakness from equipment, so if you're wearing an ice shield /cursed ring and are afflicted with oil, you will take 4x damage from fire attacks.


The quadruple thing sounds vaguely familiar, but I was completely unaware of that Oil staying on only when you die. That's...strange. I'll try to keep it in mind, though.
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Post by: FFMaster on January 25, 2011, 12:44:14 am
CT5Holy vs Melancthon
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiE_q_C3q6I)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHRfH2zw58k)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq3N8Jp9mJQ)
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Post by: CT5Holy on January 25, 2011, 01:53:34 am
Yikes, horrible matchup for Mel. Max damage from all my guys, and overall good compat between teams, too. You needed to land double Chiri to drop my guys and put me on the defensive, but there was no such opportunity. Some bad luck on reactions, too, I think. Didn't see a Dragon Spirit trigger.
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Post by: The Damned on January 25, 2011, 02:42:25 am
We're in the Second Round/Set/Whatever already? I guess that means no Loser's bracket. I can't say I blame you.

Like Scooby Doo needed more rape-based Rule 34 (not that I'm an expert or even experience in that sort of thing, of course). I think this might have been the most one-sided match in the tournament thus far, even more than when dinosaur's Scholar had no skills and I was hitting Melancthon for all of 40 HP. Damn.
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Post by: Melancthon on January 25, 2011, 12:19:47 pm
Woof.  Unfortunately I didn't notice that my Samurai had Masamune instead of Murasame.  My fault for not noticing, and it would have only bought me a turn at best.  GG CT
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Post by: FFMaster on January 26, 2011, 08:15:59 pm
Otabo vs Gotwald
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awx9nLoPWnE)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2GTdu44Rzo)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVlUNhYtbc)
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Post by: Otabo on January 26, 2011, 09:30:05 pm
Figured I was going to lose against a lore spam team. Eh, back to the drawing board.
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Post by: The Damned on January 26, 2011, 10:57:22 pm
Not much to say, really.

Lol at the only old team with Lore and Monks still raping everything. Not sure what to do about the former, though the latter really do need to lose Martial Arts.

Guess I everyone should invest in Float or Earth Absorb on at least one unit or something.
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Post by: FFMaster on January 27, 2011, 09:17:43 pm
Barren vs Zaen
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNfyh6EaW5U)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MooaKlrQT3w)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJewQQY2_lI)
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Post by: Barren on January 27, 2011, 09:44:51 pm
the rng really hates me today....anyways GG Zaen, your DPS ultimately won you the match
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Post by: Zaen on January 27, 2011, 10:46:47 pm
Wow, that first match had me terrified. Then the second match was on Warjilis, scaring me even more, since I always found that map to screw with the AI. Then the initial charm... well, I'm surprised I made it through, and I'm probably getting rid of that lancer, it's practically useless. GG Barren, that was a fun, tense set.
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Post by: FFMaster on February 03, 2011, 08:05:02 pm
Skip Sandwich vs Pride
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRz15WvorfU)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mxE8T0yWzU)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5UfIRmkv28)
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Post by: Otabo on February 03, 2011, 08:43:49 pm
Yet another reason why song mimicking needs to die.
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Post by: The Damned on February 04, 2011, 12:39:30 am
Meh. Martial Arts is really the greater evil when it comes that, Otabo.

Glad to see you're okay, FFMaster. It didn't even occur to me that you might be celebrating "Chinese"/Lunar New Year. I guess I do always assume the worst.

Not really much to say here, really. Skip Sandwich just kinda got screwed and these matches, though not out-and-out rape (really need to stop using that word), were pretty one-sided.

Like I said on Youtube, this map sucks rather a lot.

Other than that, really not much to say outside of the fact that having Healing Staff might have backfired a bit here, though the Mediator wasn't doing shit anyway this time around, so it probably would have only delayed the inevitable after the Archer died.


Also as said on Youtube, it's rather weird to see a class with a Primary that can be Silence not only able to be Silenced, but actually end up getting Silenced.

Beyond that, damn, Holy is really damn slow AND it was barely a 2HKO on the Mime.
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Post by: Otabo on February 04, 2011, 12:58:47 am
Yeah, I agree that Martial Arts needs to be dealt with. Monks themselves need to be hit with a nerf stick, too.

But I'm dead serious about song mimicking, though. Am I the only one that sees that Battle Song is strong as hell - ESPECIALLY when Martial Arts is around?
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Post by: Zaen on February 05, 2011, 11:59:42 pm
The only reason I got through dance mimicking was because of Martial Arts. It's a bit of both. But then, of course, Monk would need some tweaking so that it doesn't become too weak. Alternatively, since Monk has it innately, they could lose a point of PA or so.
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Post by: FFMaster on February 11, 2011, 07:06:54 pm
CT5Holy vs Gotwald
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILPQdyigX8I)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMHk7o3zpXs)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TEfYacoSyo)

Round 3 is still uploading as of this post, so if you can't watch it, check the link again in about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: The Damned on February 11, 2011, 08:54:27 pm
Seriously, fuck Monks. Fuck them to death. Death by snoo snoo is demanded for them if I'm not being clear enough.

Oh praise Ares, the less stupid team won. I've nothing at all against Gotwald, but dear Hades, Lore spam plus Monk overpoweredness is SO boring to watch. Additionally, CT5Holy's team, even if it's taking advantage of programming error that I feel is stupid (seriously, like Faith needed to become even more detrimental), actually takes some strategy and has to approach you to hit you (though Ninjutsu's range is way too long).

Speaking of which, why doesn't the "hit-everything" Lore moves trigger Counter Flood? It might be a much if Lore is properly nerfed otherwise, but it just seems...odd, especially since Lore isn't even affected by M-EV.

Funny how no one got poisoned this entire round. I guess the AI isn't as stupid as we often thing it is and as it often acts.


Of course, as soon as I say that and right the AI finally does the smart thing of moving and then healing itself...the Scholar steps into the AoE of Bahamut without having to.

*throws hands*

I give up.


Speaking of giving up, wow, this Round was really painful to watch even though the Thief's AI acted quite smart. CT5Holy would probably would have won much, much earlier if it wasn't for that 2% miss when one of the Monks got Raised again at around 5 minutes.



Good to see you're doing okay. I was beginning to worry again.
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: CT5Holy on February 11, 2011, 09:22:57 pm
A lucky Petrify. That's probably the only reason I won. Wow. Intense. GG Gotwald!
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on February 13, 2011, 07:10:05 pm
Zaen vs Pride
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WepZm3GJrE4)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm-R3zb6kLM)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnJ8pPSEW6k)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Pride on February 13, 2011, 07:31:25 pm
Seems I get some revenge for Celdia! The horrible to watch Wiz teams have to stick together!
Sometimes I wish the AI would realize that by killing the final unit they would win >_> gg Zaen
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: FFMaster on February 21, 2011, 09:16:48 pm
CT5Holy vs Pride
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7YnXrD2DK8)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys9yfa1K_q0)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmlkmVoPuQA)
Title: Re: FFT Arena Beta Tournament - Discussion and videos here!
Post by: Pride on February 21, 2011, 09:26:17 pm
Congrats to CT5Holy for winning! I thought I had a chance to win this given the first map was massive but I think the good compat across our teams gave you a good advantage and I loved the strategy from your team in general.

Out of curiousity FFM, I never saw my Monk revive a unit in the entire tournament and you mentioned that my Monk didn't have Revive but I did give him it :P Didn't matter much either way though as he was probably better off continuing his Songs.

Edit: I almost forgot to thank FFMaster for hosting this tournament, great job!
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Post by: CT5Holy on February 21, 2011, 11:08:51 pm
Yeah, the good compat between our teams was huge - OHKO Earth Slashes, Suiton became just that much more deadly. Like there was one Suiton on your Mime when it was at around ~240 HP - if he had neutral compat, he would've survived instead. First round definitely had me on the edge of my seat.
Thanks for the compliments, Pride (then again, my thief didn't really tag a lot of people with Faith - too busy sandbagging =P), and thank you FFM for running the show, and with nice commentary, too!
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Post by: The Damned on February 21, 2011, 11:32:43 pm
I'm still not sure how I feel about Quickening. I mean, I still think it's a bad idea, but given that AI seems a bit too single-minded in its routines to abuse it...I'm unsure.

That really bugs me.

Congrats to both Pride and CT5Holy for making it to the finals. Congrats to CT5Holy for winning.

If we've learned anything from this tournament, I say we've learned several or, at least, had them reiterated:

1. Martial Arts and Monks are stupidly overpowered rather easily.

2. Lore is still problematic.

3. Zodiac compat. should probably be toned down.

4. Most faith-based magic that isn't revival, Haste, Lore or some type of Summon (usually Lich or Bahamut) doesn't mean much.

5. Suiton, Raiton and Katon need their range toned down and need to be able to be dodged.

6. Mimes probably need more Move and Jump.


There might be other things that I think would benefit from being changed. It's hard to think since for some reason I am freakishly tired all of a sudden.


Thanks for running this, FFMaster.