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Shuushin; A Japanese Fantasy Rework

Started by Lydyn, September 20, 2008, 01:52:52 pm

Would you like to see this done?

Yes!
35 (72.9%)
Not interested.
13 (27.1%)

Total Members Voted: 46

Voting closed: September 20, 2008, 01:52:52 pm

Lydyn

September 20, 2008, 01:52:52 pm Last Edit: November 03, 2008, 07:58:31 pm by Lydyn

Archael

September 20, 2008, 02:05:28 pm #1 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Archael
No, unless it is a new storyline & new event patch

Lydyn

September 20, 2008, 03:20:49 pm #2 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Lydyn
Not really skilled enough to do new stories anyways ... so that's out.

Archael

September 20, 2008, 03:22:06 pm #3 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Archael
I think people want to play new content instead of more standard FFT patches

same old

Lydyn

September 20, 2008, 04:34:50 pm #4 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Lydyn
If that's the case, I guess I'm old news and this won't get much interest. Oh well.

Edit: Or maybe a couple are interested! I just need some time to think of some ideas and how to translate it into the FFT engine...

boomkick

September 21, 2008, 12:46:23 am #5 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by boomkick
Well, some class ideas.

Ninja- Deals in instant death and quick kills. Insanely weak in HP, but high magic, power, and agility (move jump speed and evasion).

Juggernaut- Extremely strong, but an idiot in magic. Can take a ton of damage, but weak against all sorts of magic. Usually wields a large blade (Knight Swords).

Aura Blade- Wields a sword and usually deals aura damage. This should replace the samurai skillset. I have another idea for the Samurai.

Samurai- His skill is called Draw. He does melee attacks ranging from slow (charge) to quick strikes (ranged strikes) to jump slashes (1 skills that is basically Jump from Lancer). He has no magic attacks. But he has high magic and can use a magic secondary.

Anti-Demon- A Dark Elemental class that deals in Dark Magics. No attack power at all. Has Lifebreak and some other Dark elements.

Life Balance- He deals in risky business messing with the Yin and Yang of life. He destroys that balance in order to twist in his needs. There are sometimes mistakes, so death can come from healing.

ill come up with some ideas later for you.

Lydyn

September 21, 2008, 02:59:18 am #6 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Lydyn
Oohh! Those are some great ideas! I've already thought of a nice skill for Ninjas now... :) Just to find some time in the mornings or afternoons for this.

Edit: Sorry if I little slow about this. Still got driving lessons and role-play stuff to deal with.

Lydyn

September 24, 2008, 12:59:44 am #7 Last Edit: October 04, 2008, 03:14:53 pm by Lydyn
For those few who are interested (sorry, don't really have the time to keep up on all the neat new features and such) ... what about this as a general layout for the classes?

Squire -> Swordsmen (Knows basic techniques)
Chemist -> Alchemist (Knows the basics of mixing herbs in battle)
Priest -> Zougeiro Mage (Channels energies from the great spirits to smite the mortal dead [undead] and heal the living)
Wizard -> Wu Jen (Masters of the four basic elements; Fire, Air, Earth, and Water)
Knight -> Guardsmen (Knows advanced techniques involving the spirit)
Archer -> Mercenary (Knows advanced techniques involving physical attacks)
Monk -> Monk (Master of spirit energy; Ki)
Thief -> Bandit (Master of physical and looting skills)
Oracle -> Ten'on Weaver (Master of the fifth element; Heaven)
Time Mage -> Void Disciple (Master of the intangible sixth element; Void)

More later.

boomkick

September 24, 2008, 01:33:54 am #8 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by boomkick
Lancer -> Dragoon (Master of the Spear a flight (Jump) attacks)
Mime -> Copycat (copies the powers of his allies)
Mediator -> Bad-Mouth Master (Deals damage and effects with bad words)
Dancer -> Succubi (charms eneny and presides over darkness)
Bard -> Banshee (Screams deal damage)

Ryonin

September 24, 2008, 09:04:01 am #9 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Ryonin
It amuses me that the Onmyoji, one of the three strictly asian classes, is being replaced.

Lydyn

September 24, 2008, 08:14:54 pm #10 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Lydyn
Quote from: "Ryonin"It amuses me that the Onmyoji, one of the three strictly asian classes, is being replaced.

... ???

Quote from: "boomkick"Lancer -> Dragoon (Master of the Spear a flight (Jump) attacks)
Mime -> Copycat (copies the powers of his allies)
Mediator -> Bad-Mouth Master (Deals damage and effects with bad words)
Dancer -> Succubi (charms eneny and presides over darkness)
Bard -> Banshee (Screams deal damage)

Actually, I may not include Mime ... or I may do what I planned with Zodiac Crisis; change it (have to look up how I did it).

As for the others, they're too similar to Vanilla FFT, though I may end up either making Lancers stay the same unless I can get rid of the Jump.

Vanya

September 24, 2008, 10:08:29 pm #11 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Vanya
Onmyouji = Oracle / Mystic

Look it up on wikipedia to find out why they cast spells with little ghosts in them! =)
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Lydyn

September 25, 2008, 12:09:35 am #12 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Lydyn
Ah, yeah ... though I believe Ying and Yang is more of a Chinese concept, not Japanese, which is what I'm more leaning towards right now. I see the irony though. :P

Lydyn

September 26, 2008, 03:11:27 am #13 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Lydyn
Could use some help on this though. Having trouble with Dash at the moment. I keep changing it to FFFF (Regular Attack) and making it match the Weapon Break skill and such, but it still makes the unit tackle someone ahead of them, but without damage or an effect (I assume because it's FFFF).

Any ideas?

LastingDawn

September 26, 2008, 07:39:40 am #14 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by LastingDawn
Yin-Yang is highly ingrained in both cultures, there is no such thing as an "Onmyoji" in Chinese, the closest thing Might be a "Wu Xeng" (sp?) Both basically mean the same thing as "Sage" or "Mystic". In any case about Dash... it's a possibility you might want to change the animations associated with the skill.  To do that, look up the "Animation Skill Links" in which this should follow.

Quote[04:09] <Zodiac> x00   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x01   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x02   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x03   Walk
[04:09] <Zodiac> x04   Fast Walk
[04:09] <Zodiac> x05   Slow Walk
[04:09] <Zodiac> x06   Stand
[04:09] <Zodiac> x07   Stand
[04:09] <Zodiac> x08   Stand
[04:09] <Zodiac> x09   Null Float
[04:09] <Zodiac> x0A   Fast Float
[04:09] <Zodiac> x0B   Slow Float
[04:09] <Zodiac> x0C   Run
[04:09] <Zodiac> x0D   Fast Run
[04:09] <Zodiac> x0E   Slow Run
[04:09] <Zodiac> x0F   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x10   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x11   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x12   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x13   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x14   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x15   Anti-Clockwise spinning (loop)
[04:09] <Zodiac> x16   Critical
[04:09] <Zodiac> x17   Defend  
[04:09] <Zodiac> x18   Dodge
[04:09] <Zodiac> x19   In pain (loop)
[04:09] <Zodiac> x1A   Dead
[04:09] <Zodiac> x1B   Raise Hands
[04:09] <Zodiac> x1C   Level Up (loop
[04:09] <Zodiac> x1D   Job Level Up (loop)
[04:09] <Zodiac> x1E   Jump
[04:09] <Zodiac> x1F   Flying
[04:09] <Zodiac> x20   Pick on ground
[04:09] <Zodiac> x21   Charge
[04:09] <Zodiac> x22   Charge
[04:09] <Zodiac> x23   Frozen Walk
[04:09] <Zodiac> x24   Bow
[04:09] <Zodiac> x25   Dance (not the Dancer's)
[04:09] <Zodiac> x26   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x27   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x28   Sing
[04:09] <Zodiac> x29   Dance
[04:09] <Zodiac> x2A   Charge Spell
[04:09] <Zodiac> x2B   Chant Spell
[04:09] <Zodiac> x2C   Found Item
[04:09] <Zodiac> x2D   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x2E   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x2F   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x30   Frozen Walk
[04:09] <Zodiac> x31   Frozen Walk
[04:09] <Zodiac> x32   Vanish
[04:09] <Zodiac> x33   Found Item
[04:09] <Zodiac> x34   Horizontal Jump?
[04:09] <Zodiac> x35   Bow then Stand
[04:09] <Zodiac> x36   Bow
[04:09] <Zodiac> x37   Struck
[04:09] <Zodiac> x38   Struck
[04:09] <Zodiac> x39   Raise Hands
[04:09] <Zodiac> x3A   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x3B   Vanish
[04:09] <Zodiac> x3C   Teleport From & Teleport To
[04:09] <Zodiac> x3D   Upper Strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x3E   Middle Strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x3F   Lower Strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x40   Upper Strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x41   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x42   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x43   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x44   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x45   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x46   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x47   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x48   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x49   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x4A   Quick Attack Stand
[04:09] <Zodiac> x4B   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x4C   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x4D   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x4E   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x4F   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x50   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x51   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x52   Spear
[04:09] <Zodiac> x53   Bow?
[04:09] <Zodiac> x54   Bow
[04:09] <Zodiac> x55   Gun
[04:09] <Zodiac> x56   Book Strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x57   Harp Strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x58   Upper Weapon Guard
[04:09] <Zodiac> x59   Middle Weapon Guard
[04:09] <Zodiac> x5A   Lower Weapon Guard
[04:09] <Zodiac> x5B   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x5C   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x5D   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x5E   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x5F   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x60   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x61   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x62   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x63   weapon strike???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x64   Flip Switch on ground
[04:09] <Zodiac> x65   Raise Hands
[04:09] <Zodiac> x66   Raise Hand & Take a Breath
[04:09] <Zodiac> x67   Spin Fist
[04:09] <Zodiac> x68   Quadruple fist strike
[04:09] <Zodiac> x69   ???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x6A   pushing out hands for a second or two
[04:09] <Zodiac> x6B   ???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x6D   Stand Down
[04:09] <Zodiac> x6E   Attack
[04:09] <Zodiac> x6F   Dance Pause
[04:09] <Zodiac> x70   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x71   Steal
[04:09] <Zodiac> x72   Steal Heart
[04:09] <Zodiac> x73   Draw Out
[04:09] <Zodiac> x74   Raise Hands
[04:09] <Zodiac> x75   Jump
[04:09] <Zodiac> x76   Land (and Jump before?)
[04:09] <Zodiac> x77   ???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x78   ???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x79   ???
[04:09] <Zodiac> x7A   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x7B   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x7C   
[04:09] <Zodiac> x7D   Goblin Punch
[04:09] <Zodiac> x6C   ???
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DarthPaul

September 26, 2008, 11:33:54 am #15 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
i understand what you mean but oriental isnt chinese its persian
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Ryonin

September 26, 2008, 11:43:27 am #16 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Ryonin
Err...  Persian is persian. I've never heard anyone use "oriental" when they were talking about anything that's specifically persian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental

DarthPaul

September 26, 2008, 11:47:08 am #17 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
persia doesnt exist anymore many people refer to japan and china as the orient but the orient is iran iraq afghanistan etc and dont trust wikipedia cause anyone can edit it hence the commonly used to refer to china and japan
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Vanya

September 26, 2008, 12:01:35 pm #18 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Vanya
QuoteFrom Referance.com:

Usage of term
In time, the common understanding of 'the Orient' has continually shifted eastwards; as Europe learned of countries farther East, the defined limit of 'the Orient' shifted eastwards, until it reached the Pacific Ocean, in what Westerners came to call 'the Far East'.

Initially, the "Orient" referred primarily to the cultures and countries of what are now considered the Middle East. For example the Three Kings of the Orient in Christianity were not from China, Japan etc. This particularly included regions that used to be known as Persia, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, and Egypt. As awareness of other Asian countries grew in European consciousness, the term often came to mean South Asia, Southeast Asia or East Asia. By the late 19th century, the term usually referred to China, Japan, Korea and surrounding nations while the British colonists frequently used it when speaking of India. Remnants of the older conception of the Orient still exist in the English language in such collocations as Oriental studies (now largely replaced by Asian studies), Oriental rug and Oriental harem. It has taken on a specific usage since the publication of Edward Said's influential book, "Orientalism" (1980).

The whole thing is kind of silly to argue. The current meaning is the most important as it is what we choose to use commonly. Don't forget that language is dynamic.
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DarthPaul

September 26, 2008, 12:11:14 pm #19 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
i understand that language is dynamic but common usage is not what the word actually mean and my chief example is the "n" word used to mean dirty stupid and retarded but now people think its a bad term for black people thats where i say NO
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