Calculator -> Blue Mage

[karsten]

Goblin Punch - (PA +80)% success

way too much, really. maybe starting with 60 or 65% would make sense

[VincentCraven]

Really? Did it turn out ugly in-game?

What would you guys say about these stats?
HPC HPM MPC MPM SpC SpM PAC PAM MAC MAM
010. 095. 013. 075 100. 100 050. 100 045. 110

[VincentCraven]

New poll on learning Blue Magic in place!

[Prinygod]

what ever you end up deciding on, it seems impossible to learn blaster blue mage style. Apparently both petrify and stop will prevent you from learning it, and i don't know anyway to make it so i can learn it BM style.

[VincentCraven]

^_^ Looks like to make it learned only Blue Mage style (which is the way I just happen to be against) I'd have to hack into the mechanics of that function. Since I am unable to do that, looks like this poll is just for kicks for the time being.

[Prinygod]

Break is the only ability on the list that you cannot blue mage learn. There is always around it such as switching it out, or making that move the only jp learnable one. Ive tried learning blue magic buy only blue mage style, and its not the inconvient. You fight most enemies in the game with out trying so its not hard to invite one that you need. And if you are poaching its even easier. Btw it seems frog also prevents you from learning it.

[Argg0]

Status based on what you posted:

Sex: Male
HPM: 95 | MPM: 75 | SpM: 100 | PAM: 100 | MAM: 110
HPC: 10 | MPC: 13 | SpC: 100 | PAC: 50 | MAC: 45

Level 1 HP 28-30, MP 10-11, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 2 HP 31-33, MP 11-12, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 3 HP 33-35, MP 12-12, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 4 HP 36-38, MP 12-13, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 5 HP 38-41, MP 13-14, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 6 HP 41-44, MP 14-15, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 7 HP 44-46, MP 15-16, PA 5, MA 4,SP 6
Level 8 HP 46-49, MP 15-16, PA 5, MA 5,SP 6
Level 9 HP 49-52, MP 16-17, PA 5, MA 5,SP 6
Level 10 HP 51-55, MP 17-18, PA 5, MA 5,SP 6
Level 11 HP 54-58, MP 18-19, PA 5, MA 5,SP 6
Level 12 HP 56-60, MP 18-20, PA 6, MA 5,SP 6
Level 13 HP 59-63, MP 19-20, PA 6, MA 5,SP 6
Level 14 HP 62-66, MP 20-21, PA 6, MA 5,SP 6
Level 15 HP 64-69, MP 21-22, PA 6, MA 5,SP 6
Level 16 HP 67-71, MP 21-23, PA 6, MA 5,SP 6
Level 17 HP 69-74, MP 22-24, PA 6, MA 5,SP 6
Level 18 HP 72-77, MP 23-24, PA 6, MA 6,SP 7
Level 19 HP 75-80, MP 24-25, PA 6, MA 6,SP 7
Level 20 HP 77-82, MP 24-26, PA 6, MA 6,SP 7
Level 21 HP 80-85, MP 25-27, PA 6, MA 6,SP 7
Level 22 HP 82-88, MP 26-28, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 23 HP 85-91, MP 27-28, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 24 HP 88-93, MP 27-29, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 25 HP 90-96, MP 28-30, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 26 HP 93-99, MP 29-31, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 27 HP 95-102, MP 30-32, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 28 HP 98-105, MP 30-32, PA 7, MA 6,SP 7
Level 29 HP 101-107, MP 31-33, PA 7, MA 7,SP 7
Level 30 HP 103-110, MP 32-34, PA 7, MA 7,SP 7
Level 31 HP 106-113, MP 33-35, PA 7, MA 7,SP 7
Level 32 HP 108-116, MP 33-36, PA 8, MA 7,SP 7
Level 33 HP 111-118, MP 34-36, PA 8, MA 7,SP 7
Level 34 HP 113-121, MP 35-37, PA 8, MA 7,SP 7
Level 35 HP 116-124, MP 36-38, PA 8, MA 7,SP 8
Level 36 HP 119-127, MP 36-39, PA 8, MA 7,SP 8
Level 37 HP 121-129, MP 37-40, PA 8, MA 7,SP 8
Level 38 HP 124-132, MP 38-40, PA 8, MA 7,SP 8
Level 39 HP 126-135, MP 39-41, PA 8, MA 8,SP 8
Level 40 HP 129-138, MP 39-42, PA 8, MA 8,SP 8
Level 41 HP 132-140, MP 40-43, PA 8, MA 8,SP 8
Level 42 HP 134-143, MP 41-44, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 43 HP 137-146, MP 42-44, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 44 HP 139-149, MP 42-45, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 45 HP 142-151, MP 43-46, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 46 HP 145-154, MP 44-47, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 47 HP 147-157, MP 45-48, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 48 HP 150-160, MP 45-49, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 49 HP 152-163, MP 46-49, PA 9, MA 8,SP 8
Level 50 HP 155-165, MP 47-50, PA 9, MA 9,SP 8
Level 51 HP 158-168, MP 48-51, PA 9, MA 9,SP 8
Level 52 HP 160-171, MP 48-52, PA 9, MA 9,SP 9
Level 53 HP 163-174, MP 49-53, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 54 HP 165-176, MP 50-53, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 55 HP 168-179, MP 51-54, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 56 HP 170-182, MP 51-55, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 57 HP 173-185, MP 52-56, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 58 HP 176-187, MP 53-57, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 59 HP 178-190, MP 54-57, PA 10, MA 9,SP 9
Level 60 HP 181-193, MP 54-58, PA 10, MA 10,SP 9
Level 61 HP 183-196, MP 55-59, PA 10, MA 10,SP 9
Level 62 HP 186-198, MP 56-60, PA 10, MA 10,SP 9
Level 63 HP 189-201, MP 57-61, PA 11, MA 10,SP 9
Level 64 HP 191-204, MP 57-61, PA 11, MA 10,SP 9
Level 65 HP 194-207, MP 58-62, PA 11, MA 10,SP 9
Level 66 HP 196-210, MP 59-63, PA 11, MA 10,SP 9
Level 67 HP 199-212, MP 60-64, PA 11, MA 10,SP 9
Level 68 HP 202-215, MP 60-65, PA 11, MA 10,SP 9
Level 69 HP 204-218, MP 61-65, PA 11, MA 10,SP 10
Level 70 HP 207-221, MP 62-66, PA 11, MA 10,SP 10
Level 71 HP 209-223, MP 63-67, PA 11, MA 11,SP 10
Level 72 HP 212-226, MP 63-68, PA 11, MA 11,SP 10
Level 73 HP 215-229, MP 64-69, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 74 HP 217-232, MP 65-69, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 75 HP 220-234, MP 66-70, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 76 HP 222-237, MP 66-71, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 77 HP 225-240, MP 67-72, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 78 HP 227-243, MP 68-73, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 79 HP 230-245, MP 69-73, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 80 HP 233-248, MP 69-74, PA 12, MA 11,SP 10
Level 81 HP 235-251, MP 70-75, PA 12, MA 12,SP 10
Level 82 HP 238-254, MP 71-76, PA 12, MA 12,SP 10
Level 83 HP 240-257, MP 72-77, PA 13, MA 12,SP 10
Level 84 HP 243-259, MP 72-77, PA 13, MA 12,SP 10
Level 85 HP 246-262, MP 73-78, PA 13, MA 12,SP 10
Level 86 HP 248-265, MP 74-79, PA 13, MA 12,SP 11
Level 87 HP 251-268, MP 75-80, PA 13, MA 12,SP 11
Level 88 HP 253-270, MP 75-81, PA 13, MA 12,SP 11
Level 89 HP 256-273, MP 76-81, PA 13, MA 12,SP 11
Level 90 HP 259-276, MP 77-82, PA 13, MA 12,SP 11
Level 91 HP 261-279, MP 78-83, PA 13, MA 13,SP 11
Level 92 HP 264-281, MP 78-84, PA 13, MA 13,SP 11
Level 93 HP 266-284, MP 79-85, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11
Level 94 HP 269-287, MP 80-85, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11
Level 95 HP 272-290, MP 81-86, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11
Level 96 HP 274-292, MP 81-87, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11
Level 97 HP 277-295, MP 82-88, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11
Level 98 HP 279-298, MP 83-89, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11
Level 99 HP 282-301, MP 84-89, PA 14, MA 13,SP 11

Sex: Female
HPM: 95 | MPM: 75 | SpM: 100 | PAM: 100 | MAM: 110
HPC: 10 | MPC: 13 | SpC: 100 | PAC: 50 | MAC: 45

Level 1 HP 26-28, MP 11-11, PA 4, MA 5,SP 6
Level 2 HP 29-31, MP 12-12, PA 4, MA 5,SP 6
Level 3 HP 31-33, MP 12-13, PA 4, MA 5,SP 6
Level 4 HP 33-36, MP 13-14, PA 4, MA 5,SP 6
Level 5 HP 36-38, MP 14-15, PA 4, MA 5,SP 6
Level 6 HP 38-41, MP 15-16, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 7 HP 41-44, MP 16-17, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 8 HP 43-46, MP 16-17, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 9 HP 45-49, MP 17-18, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 10 HP 48-51, MP 18-19, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 11 HP 50-54, MP 19-20, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 12 HP 53-56, MP 20-21, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 13 HP 55-59, MP 20-22, PA 4, MA 6,SP 6
Level 14 HP 58-62, MP 21-23, PA 5, MA 7,SP 6
Level 15 HP 60-64, MP 22-23, PA 5, MA 7,SP 6
Level 16 HP 62-67, MP 23-24, PA 5, MA 7,SP 6
Level 17 HP 65-69, MP 24-25, PA 5, MA 7,SP 6
Level 18 HP 67-72, MP 24-26, PA 5, MA 7,SP 7
Level 19 HP 70-75, MP 25-27, PA 5, MA 7,SP 7
Level 20 HP 72-77, MP 26-28, PA 5, MA 7,SP 7
Level 21 HP 74-80, MP 27-29, PA 5, MA 7,SP 7
Level 22 HP 77-82, MP 28-29, PA 5, MA 8,SP 7
Level 23 HP 79-85, MP 28-30, PA 5, MA 8,SP 7
Level 24 HP 82-88, MP 29-31, PA 5, MA 8,SP 7
Level 25 HP 84-90, MP 30-32, PA 5, MA 8,SP 7
Level 26 HP 87-93, MP 31-33, PA 5, MA 8,SP 7
Level 27 HP 89-95, MP 32-34, PA 6, MA 8,SP 7
Level 28 HP 91-98, MP 32-35, PA 6, MA 8,SP 7
Level 29 HP 94-101, MP 33-35, PA 6, MA 8,SP 7
Level 30 HP 96-103, MP 34-36, PA 6, MA 8,SP 7
Level 31 HP 99-106, MP 35-37, PA 6, MA 9,SP 7
Level 32 HP 101-108, MP 36-38, PA 6, MA 9,SP 7
Level 33 HP 103-111, MP 36-39, PA 6, MA 9,SP 7
Level 34 HP 106-113, MP 37-40, PA 6, MA 9,SP 7
Level 35 HP 108-116, MP 38-41, PA 6, MA 9,SP 8
Level 36 HP 111-119, MP 39-41, PA 6, MA 9,SP 8
Level 37 HP 113-121, MP 40-42, PA 6, MA 9,SP 8
Level 38 HP 116-124, MP 40-43, PA 6, MA 9,SP 8
Level 39 HP 118-126, MP 41-44, PA 6, MA 10,SP 8
Level 40 HP 120-129, MP 42-45, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 41 HP 123-132, MP 43-46, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 42 HP 125-134, MP 44-47, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 43 HP 128-137, MP 44-47, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 44 HP 130-139, MP 45-48, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 45 HP 132-142, MP 46-49, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 46 HP 135-145, MP 47-50, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 47 HP 137-147, MP 48-51, PA 7, MA 10,SP 8
Level 48 HP 140-150, MP 49-52, PA 7, MA 11,SP 8
Level 49 HP 142-152, MP 49-53, PA 7, MA 11,SP 8
Level 50 HP 145-155, MP 50-53, PA 7, MA 11,SP 8
Level 51 HP 147-158, MP 51-54, PA 7, MA 11,SP 8
Level 52 HP 149-160, MP 52-55, PA 7, MA 11,SP 9
Level 53 HP 152-163, MP 53-56, PA 8, MA 11,SP 9
Level 54 HP 154-165, MP 53-57, PA 8, MA 11,SP 9
Level 55 HP 157-168, MP 54-58, PA 8, MA 11,SP 9
Level 56 HP 159-170, MP 55-59, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 57 HP 162-173, MP 56-59, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 58 HP 164-176, MP 57-60, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 59 HP 166-178, MP 57-61, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 60 HP 169-181, MP 58-62, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 61 HP 171-183, MP 59-63, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 62 HP 174-186, MP 60-64, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 63 HP 176-189, MP 61-65, PA 8, MA 12,SP 9
Level 64 HP 178-191, MP 61-65, PA 8, MA 13,SP 9
Level 65 HP 181-194, MP 62-66, PA 9, MA 13,SP 9
Level 66 HP 183-196, MP 63-67, PA 9, MA 13,SP 9
Level 67 HP 186-199, MP 64-68, PA 9, MA 13,SP 9
Level 68 HP 188-202, MP 65-69, PA 9, MA 13,SP 9
Level 69 HP 191-204, MP 65-70, PA 9, MA 13,SP 10
Level 70 HP 193-207, MP 66-71, PA 9, MA 13,SP 10
Level 71 HP 195-209, MP 67-71, PA 9, MA 13,SP 10
Level 72 HP 198-212, MP 68-72, PA 9, MA 13,SP 10
Level 73 HP 200-215, MP 69-73, PA 9, MA 14,SP 10
Level 74 HP 203-217, MP 69-74, PA 9, MA 14,SP 10
Level 75 HP 205-220, MP 70-75, PA 9, MA 14,SP 10
Level 76 HP 207-222, MP 71-76, PA 9, MA 14,SP 10
Level 77 HP 210-225, MP 72-77, PA 9, MA 14,SP 10
Level 78 HP 212-227, MP 73-77, PA 10, MA 14,SP 10
Level 79 HP 215-230, MP 73-78, PA 10, MA 14,SP 10
Level 80 HP 217-233, MP 74-79, PA 10, MA 14,SP 10
Level 81 HP 220-235, MP 75-80, PA 10, MA 15,SP 10
Level 82 HP 222-238, MP 76-81, PA 10, MA 15,SP 10
Level 83 HP 224-240, MP 77-82, PA 10, MA 15,SP 10
Level 84 HP 227-243, MP 77-83, PA 10, MA 15,SP 10
Level 85 HP 229-246, MP 78-83, PA 10, MA 15,SP 10
Level 86 HP 232-248, MP 79-84, PA 10, MA 15,SP 11
Level 87 HP 234-251, MP 80-85, PA 10, MA 15,SP 11
Level 88 HP 236-253, MP 81-86, PA 10, MA 15,SP 11
Level 89 HP 239-256, MP 81-87, PA 10, MA 16,SP 11
Level 90 HP 241-259, MP 82-88, PA 10, MA 16,SP 11
Level 91 HP 244-261, MP 83-89, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 92 HP 246-264, MP 84-89, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 93 HP 249-266, MP 85-90, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 94 HP 251-269, MP 85-91, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 95 HP 253-272, MP 86-92, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 96 HP 256-274, MP 87-93, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 97 HP 258-277, MP 88-94, PA 11, MA 16,SP 11
Level 98 HP 261-279, MP 89-95, PA 11, MA 17,SP 11
Level 99 HP 263-282, MP 89-95, PA 11, MA 17,SP 11

[Kuraudo Sutoraifu]

On the Stop/Petrify issue, could you learn the skill if you had an item that prevented the status effect?  Of is it like Zodiac, and it actually needs to affect to be learned?

Also, has anyone given thought to the support/reaction/movement abilities?  Or were we just going to use the Calc set?  If not, I'd say take Fly away from the Bard class and give it the the Blue Mage.  And maybe add some new abilities.  I thought of an interesting/near useless reaction ability, but it sound fun.  I call it Bone Spirit.  It would be kind of like Dragon Spirit except that it adds Undead status instead of Reraise.

[VincentCraven]

-Abilities that can be learned Blue Mage style must affect the target IIRC

-Humans can't fly in this version, but skills have been redistibuted (like Distribute is on Priest)

-Bone Spirit.... XD I wish I knew how to alter stuff like that, but it may be a while before I discover where that information is stored.


Argg0: Just so you know, I am changing the Blue Mage stats. If need be, I can delete that list when it changes.

Oh by the way, who is strongly against me making Blue Magic costing MP? I certainly won't make them Faith based, and I probably won't give a Charge Time, but no MP cost as well is too good.
 Of course monsters will have plenty of MP.

[Argg0]

Geomancy, Martial Arts, Draw Out... they all are Faith undependent, chargeless and no MP.

And no one complains.

About the stats... I can update that if you wish.

[VincentCraven]

Yeah, but Blue Magic is very versatile as it stands. Everything will have to be made weaker if that's the case. You did overlook some important things...

Geomancy - dependent on terrain, and not very versatile, not to mention fairly weak

Martial Arts - only targets one enemy (except Earth Slash, which despite being not very powerful, is a very good ability)

Draw Out - costs Katanas (though I must admit that doesn't hurt it much), the power on this was toned down because it was too powerful


Swordskills used to cost no MP, but they were given an MP cost because they were so good. I'm comparing Blue Magic to other magic and it seems that skills like Giga Flare should at least cost some MP. I mean, come on. Maybe not Goblin Punch, but this IS magic...

I'll let you know the new stats when I release the new version. May take a while, since I'm trying to add in some brand-spanking new stuff. I'm not going to say what it is in case I fail completely, but I am still working on Sigma.

[karsten]

nice to hear it.... how about those new classes and "berserk" items? could you create them up?

[VincentCraven]

Errr... Necromancer and Mystic Knight are, as of now, on hold. I can make a Pseudo-necromancer, one without the power to raise the undead, but as of now, I don't know how to raise undead units. As for Mystic Knight, I could do as you suggested, with a modified formula, but it would look like magic casting I'm pretty sure.

As for Berserker equipment, that's no problem, though I'll have to find out how to change the appearance of equipment, because the Fury Axe looks like a blob when attacking.

[Chrona]

Isn't Monk's Chakra kinda like healing undead without hurting them? Doesn't Revive work the same way?

Also, give it a small AoE (3v2 maybe) revival spell that turns the revived into Zombies. Too broken?

[VincentCraven]

I'll see what I can do, though I don't think Revive works on Undead units. What you have suggested may be broken, unless the success is low, or it costs lots of MP. By the way, who would be Necromancer? I still haven't found a way to fix Mime.

[Chrona]

3v1? Would give people different reasons to use than Raise and stuff - targets more characters, but they can't be healed afterwards. Possibly make it target enemies too, to make it a little more double edged

And no clue. You could replace Chemist if you make Item tertiary on everyone somehow

[huthutchuck]

I think I just heard a genius comment by accident.  Is is possible to edit the raise effect so that after the person is brought back to life they are added with the status of undead/zombie or bloodsuck?

[Chrona]

Yeah, that's just what I suggested for my last two posts XD

[huthutchuck]

Chrona, I would like your opinion, lets say this new skill was used on an enemy unit.  Would this new ability also add invite or would that just be part of the strategy to just ressurect your allies?

[Chrona]

Why would it add invite? It's a multi panel revival skill which is balanced out by both reviving your enemies, and making your guys and your enemies zombies. Invite would be too cheap