FFT Arena: Balance Discussion Thread

[The Damned]

I'd be fine with a single target elemental nuke. It would have to be weaker than Flare initially but potentially stronger with Strengthen to be worth it, though.

[CT5Holy]

Er, I meant the cross AoE, like the lower tier black magics. I guess single target could work.

[The Damned]

I'm aware of what you meant. I was agreeing with PX, though. Sorry for being vague.

Only other "solution" would just be to off them completely either leave them gone or replace them with else, like Bio or something. (Not like Poison will be getting any use with Kiyomori's change.)

[FFMaster]

Poison is still ranged =/

Single target nuke sounds alright, but we already have Flare... I'm leaning towards 1 AoE like CT5 is suggesting, but either can work.

[Skip Sandwich]

I like the idea of scrapping the tier 4 black magics to replace them with bio 1/2/3, preferably dealing dark element damage + status (lower damage then the standard elemental black magic, 75% power maybe?)

[PX_Timefordeath]

Dancers and Bards: Lower their speed to 8, and move to 3

[The Damned]

When you get the chance, please change all instances of Knight to Paladin in the initial post. (Unless we're keeping the name of Knight. It's not like it really makes a difference.)

Similarly, Ninja's new Katon, Raiton and Suiton don't say what elements they are at the moment.

[FFMaster]

Updated the tables with what the danmed said

[FFMaster]

We need a new formula for the Ninja abilities. The current formula won't accept elements.

[Skip Sandwich]

the elemental formula will, as will the non-faith magic attack formula (MA * X), and the Punch Art formula, and the standard faith magic formula. Of these, I most favor the elemental or punch art formulas.

[FFMaster]

I was thinking of using Punch Art formulas, but then Martial Arts boosted the power of the spells. I guess I will have to choose between MA*X or Geomancy formulas.

[The Damned]

I'm fine with Punch Art formula (though that would make Martial Art Ninjas even more bullshit).

Speaking of Ninja, I'd actually argue (as much as I hate to admit) that they probably want Two Swords Innate back. I don't think anyone's even used them yet, which is kind of stark considering how whored they always were in AI tournaments. They would just need to (maybe) lose some PA and probably be forbidden from having Martial Arts Support (and maybe but probably not Concentrate Support).

Yeah, that's a lot of maybe, but since we talking about Ninja and Ninjutsu (since Throw doesn't fit anymore) anyway....

[Pride]

Is formula 63 (speed*wp) no good for the new ninja abilities?

[FFMaster]

It can work, but if the caster has no weapon (Monks) then it does 0 damage. I can use that if you guys like it though.

[PX_Timefordeath]

And if they're using Defender, which has the highest WP, with attack up... yeah, uber 5 range nuke, 100% hit.

[Pride]

Attack UP works on Speed*WP formula?

[Kaz]

I'm fine with Punch Art formula (though that would make Martial Art Ninjas even more bullshit).

Speaking of Ninja, I'd actually argue (as much as I hate to admit) that they probably want Two Swords Innate back. I don't think anyone's even used them yet, which is kind of stark considering how whored they always were in AI tournaments. They would just need to (maybe) lose some PA and probably be forbidden from having Martial Arts Support (and maybe but probably not Concentrate Support).

Yeah, that's a lot of maybe, but since we talking about Ninja and Ninjutsu (since Throw doesn't fit anymore) anyway....

I want the 2Swords innate back too - like Damned said, as long as their PA is low (which I think it already is) ninjas won't be over-used.

[FFMaster]

Attack UP works on Speed*WP formula?

Yes it does.

My feeble attempt at trying to find the SP*WP formula to edit didn't work. All I managed to find was current damage to be dealt =( So that means probably using either MA*Y and risk it being horribly strong for mages, or SP*WP and be able to deal as much damage as about now, except being evadable and having elemental attributes, while unarmed units get the shaft. Using the latter would mean Attack UP and Elemental boosting will both work, and if you put it on Paladin with Defender... either way, I don't like either of those options. A 3rd option would be to maybe use Malak's Untruth formula, giving them power while keeping 40 Faith.

[Skip Sandwich]

oooh, I like the untruth option a lot, it makes for a very interesting secondary choice, and maybe even a powerful pesudo-primary if run on a 40 faith wizard or something

[FFMaster]

/me prepares to hear a bunch of "WTF"'s from 10 speed Thief.