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Title: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 11, 2015, 08:36:46 am
♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ S 4♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ T O U R N A M E N T ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓

Hosted by Barren, TrueLight, Gaignun, Mudvayne, Andante49

Legend

Bold = Winner's/Regular Bracket Commentators

Italicized = Loser's Bracket Commentators

Underline = Put together winner's/loser's bracket

Note: Gaignun is replacing silentkaster

FFHacktics Tournament Youtube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg)

Welcome to the FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4. Quick run down on the rules: regular Arena rules are in effect here. Double elimination. You lose in the loser's bracket you are out. The winner's bracket and loser's bracket winner will meet for the title. Good luck to all players!

Note: For those who chose the purple palette, it is bugged because sometimes the glitched out crystals causes the game to crash. So I am changing it to black. Sorry to those who picked purple. Also Andante49 will be updating the brackets as the matches go by. So thank him too for helping out

TEAMS


Palettes: White/Black

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Slowyaroll
Male
Gemini
70
50
Archer
Basic Skill
Speed Save
Concentrate
Float
Ice Bow

Thief Hat
Santa Outfit
Sprint Shoes

Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Head Break
Throw Stone, Heal, Yell, Wish

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Cold Hearted
Female
Libra
40
45
Samurai
Black Magic
Absorb MP
Magic Attack UP
Teleport
Kiyomori

Circlet
Black Robe
Jade Armlet

Bizen Boat, Murasame, Heaven's Cloud, Masamune
Nether Fire, Nether Bolt, Nether Ice, Frog

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PewPew
Male
Gemini
50
45
Ninja
Snipe
Abandon
Equip Magegear
Move-HP Up
Healing Staff
Healing Staff
Black Hood
Santa Outfit
Dracula Mantle

Fuuton, Kagesougi
Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Weapon Break

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Nothin Special
Female
Aquarius
40
70
Oracle
White Magic
Absorb MP
Magic Defend UP
Pilgrimage
Ivory Rod

Flash Hat
White Robe
Jade Armlet

Silence Song, Paralyze, Sleep
Cure, Raise 2, Wall, Esuna, Dia

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Palettes: Red/Blue

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Ada
Female
Sagittarius
40
40
Chemist
Talk Skill
Abandon
Equip Shield

Main Gauche
Escutcheon II
Thief Hat
Secret Clothes
Dracula Mantle

X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down
Blackmail, Stall, Mimic Daravon

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Seth
Male
Libra
70
48
Paladin
Basic Skill
Counter
Concentrate
Warpath
Tactician's Blade
Zephyr Shield
Platina Helmet
Light Robe
Cherche

Nurse, Transfusion, Reraise, Southern Cross
Accumulate, Throw Stone, Heal, Wish

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Blade
Male
Libra
70
48
Monk
Draw Out

Attack UP

FS Bag

Chakra Band
Power Sleeve
108 Gems

Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Asura, Masamune

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Sierra
Female
Aries
40
70
Time Mage
White Magic

Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Wizard Staff

Black Hood
White Robe
Defense Ring

Slow 2, Stop
Cure 3, Raise 2, Esuna

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Palettes: White/Red

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Raze
Male
Cancer
70
50
Thief
Item
Auto Potion
Two Hands
Warpath
Main Gauche

Thief Hat
Secret Clothes
Cherche

X-Potion, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down

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Reimu
Female
Virgo
40
50
Mediator
Draw Out
Dragon Spirit
Equip Shield
Ignore Height
Orichalcum
Aegis Shield
Flash Hat
Secret Clothes
Genji Gauntlet

Blackmail, Refute, Mimic Daravon
Murasame, Kiyomori, Masamune

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Reznor
Male
Cancer
70
50
Archer
Ninjitsu
HP Restore
Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Romanda Gun
Zephyr Shield
Twist Headband
Power Sleeve
Defense Armlet

Execute
Kagesougi

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Riku
Female
Capricorn
40
70
Time Mage
White Magic

Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Healing Staff

Black Hood
Robe of Lords
Setiemson

Slow 2, Stop
Cure 2, Raise 2, Esuna

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Palettes: Black/Blue

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Archer
Male
Aries
50
50
Archer
Item
Auto Potion
Throw Item
Jump+1
Romanda Gun
Zephyr Shield
Black Hood
Secret Clothes
Sprint Shoes

Arm Aim, Hawk's Eye, Weapon Break
X-Potion, Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down

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Thief
Male
Aries
60
50
Thief
Basic Skill
Counter Tackle
Two Swords
Move-HP Up
Ancient Sword
Sleep Sword
Black Hood
Secret Clothes
Sprint Shoes

Quickening, Steal Heart, Steal Accessry
Heal, Wish

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Mediator
Female
Libra
40
70
Mediator
White Magic
Finger Guard
Short Charge
Move-MP Up
H Bag

Flash Hat
White Robe
Defense Ring

Stall, Mimic Daravon
Cure 2, Raise 2, Esuna

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Scholar
Female
Sagittarius
40
70
Scholar
Time Magic
Counter Magic
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Prismatic Rod

Holy Miter
Wizard Outfit
Defense Ring

Bio, Bio 2, Tornado
Haste, Sinkhole

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Palettes: White/Yellow

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Yukikaze
Female
Cancer
50
70
Samurai
Summon Magic
Damage Split
Short Charge

Kiyomori

Cross Helmet
Crystal Mail
Genji Gauntlet

Kikuichimonji, Masamune
Moogle, Salamander, Fairy, Carbunkle, Bahamut

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MooMoo
Female
Pisces
50
70
Mime
Steal
Auto Potion
Magic Attack UP
Move-HP Up

Chakra Band
Platina Armor
Setiemson

Steal Heart, Steal Accessry, Speed Ruin

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Buttons
Female
Pisces
50
70
Mime
Talk Skill
Auto Potion
Magic Attack UP
Move-HP Up

Chakra Band
Platina Armor
Setiemson

Blackmail, Stall, Refute

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Kagekaze
Female
Scorpio
50
70
Samurai
Summon Magic
Damage Split
Short Charge

Kiyomori

Cross Helmet
Crystal Mail
Genji Gauntlet

Kikuichimonji
Moogle, Leviathan, Fairy, Carbunkle, Silf, Bahamut

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Palettes: White/Black

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Mash
Male
Serpentarius
70
40
Monk
Steal
Projectile Guard
Martial Arts

FS Bag

Chakra Band
Black Costume
Cursed Ring

Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Quickening, Steal Heart, Steal Accessry

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Two Can Win
Female
Serpentarius
45
50
Mime
Talk Skill
Auto Potion
Unyielding
Move-HP Up

Chakra Band
Gold Armor
Sprint Shoes

Blackmail, Refute, Mimic Daravon

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Gobstopper
Male
Serpentarius
40
40
Chemist
Draw Out
Auto Potion
Maintenance
Move-HP Up
Main Gauche

Thief Hat
Brigandine
Dracula Mantle

X-Potion, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down
Kiyomori, Masamune

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Stop
Female
Serpentarius
40
70
Time Mage
White Magic

Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Wizard Staff

Flash Hat
White Robe
Defense Ring

Haste 2, Slow 2, Stop
Cure 2, Raise, Esuna

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Palettes: Red/Black

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Behemoth
Male
Libra
70
50
Samurai
Steal
Damage Split
Overwhelm
Move+1
Asura Knife

Platina Helmet
Crystal Mail
Rubber Shoes

Asura, Murasame, Masamune
Heretic

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Titania
Female
Aquarius
70
50
Dancer
Ninjitsu
Auto Potion
Equip Ranged
Move-HP Up
Gastrafitis

Twist Headband
Power Sleeve
Battle Boots

Wiznaibus
Kagesougi, Houkouton

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Curiosity
Female
Gemini
40
70
Mime
White Magic
Awareness
Equip Light Blade
Move-HP Up
Main Gauche

Chakra Band
Platina Armor
Power Wrist

Cure, Cure 2, Cure 4, Raise, Regen, Wall, Esuna, Dia

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Astral
Female
Aquarius
40
70
Geomancer
Summon Magic
Finger Guard
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Giant Axe
Aegis Shield
Holy Miter
Silk Robe
Genji Gauntlet

Water Ball, Local Quake, Kamaitachi, Quicksand, Sand Storm, Gusty Wind
Moogle, Fairy, Odin

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Palettes: Green/Yellow

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Mietta
Female
Gemini
70
50
Samurai

MA Save
Magic Attack UP
Fly
Kiyomori

Diamond Helmet
Wizard Robe
Cherche

Koutetsu, Murasame, Masamune, Chirijiraden

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Lamar
Male
Aries
70
50
Paladin
Item
PA Save
Concentrate
Warpath
Tactician's Blade
Escutcheon II
Platina Helmet
Gold Armor
Chantage

Nurse
Hi-Potion, Ether, Chrono's Tear, Phoenix Down

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Bitvch
Male
Leo
70
50
Paladin
Item
PA Save
Concentrate
Warpath
Tactician's Blade
Genji Shield
Diamond Helmet
Diamond Armor
Germinas Boots

Nurse
Hi-Potion, Bandage, Phoenix Down

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Joltseon
Male
Sagittarius
70
70
Bard
White Magic

Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Rune Blade

Golden Hairpin
Black Costume
Magic Ring

Cure, Cure 2, Raise 2, Protect, Dia, Holy

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Palettes: Black/Blue

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Coach Zed
Male
Sagittarius
70
50
Monk
Ninjitsu
Dragon Spirit
Equip Ranged
Float
Blaze Gun

Choice Band
Power Sleeve
Bracer

Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Kagesougi

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Justice
Male
Aries
70
60
Paladin
Time Magic
PA Save
Attack UP
Move-HP Up
Chaos Blade

Diamond Helmet
Carabini Mail
Sprint Shoes

Iron Will
Haste 2, Slow 2

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Doug Dimmadome
Male
Leo
70
50
Thief
Draw Out
Abandon
Equip Shield
Move-HP Up
Sasuke Knife
Escutcheon II
Thief Hat
Brigandine
Feather Mantle

Quickening, Steal Heart
Kiyomori, Masamune

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Fefe
Male
Gemini
65
50
Chemist

Auto Potion
Defense UP

Romanda Gun

Thief Hat
Brigandine
Leather Mantle

Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down

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Palettes: Red/Black

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Saria
Female
Virgo
50
50
Mediator
Draw Out
Finger Guard
Equip Shield
Move-HP Up
Orichalcum
Zephyr Shield
Thief Hat
Santa Outfit
Sprint Shoes

Blackmail, Insult, Mimic Daravon
Murasame, Kiyomori, Masamune

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Shiek
Female
Taurus
60
50
Ninja
Snipe
Projectile Guard
Equip Magegear
Move-HP Up
Healing Staff
Healing Staff
Black Hood
Secret Clothes
Defense Ring

Kagesougi
Arm Aim, Execute, Head Break, Armor Break

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Darunia
Male
Virgo
70
50
Monk
Steal
HP Restore
Martial Arts
Move+1
FS Bag

Chakra Band
Santa Outfit
Diamond Armlet

Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Steal Heart, Steal Accessry

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Princess Ruto
Female
Capricorn
40
70
Scholar
White Magic
Damage Split
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Prismatic Rod

Holy Miter
Linen Robe
Defense Ring

Bio, Tornado
Raise, Esuna, Dia

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Palettes: Blue/Red

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Iroh
Male
Capricorn
70
40
Squire
Ninjitsu
Abandon
Overwhelm
Move-MP Up
Lionheart
Kaiser Plate
Twist Headband
Santa Outfit
Diamond Armlet

Accumulate, Throw Stone, Heal, Wish
Meiton, Fuuton, Suiton

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Shera
Female
Virgo
40
40
Geomancer
Draw Out

Magic Attack UP
Teleport
Rune Blade
Aegis Shield
Holy Miter
Wizard Outfit
Diamond Armlet

Bizen Boat, Murasame, Muramasa, Kikuichimonji, Masamune, Chirijiraden

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Karima
Female
Taurus
40
70
Wizard
Summon Magic
MP Restore
Short Charge

Wizard Rod

Black Hood
Black Robe
Defense Ring

Nether Fire, Nether Bolt, Nether Ice, Nether Water
Moogle, Shiva, Ramuh, Ifrit, Leviathan, Salamander, Titan, Fairy, Carbunkle

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Lilliana
Female
Taurus
40
70
Geomancer
White Magic
Counter Flood
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Mystic Blade
Genji Shield
Holy Miter
Wizard Outfit
Magic Ring

Pitfall, Water Ball, Hell Ivy, Carve Model, Local Quake, Kamaitachi, Demon Fire, Blizzard
Cure, Cure 2, Raise, Esuna

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Palettes: Blue/Green

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Bella
Female
Libra
40
70
Time Mage
White Magic

Short Charge
Move-MP Up
H Bag

Black Hood
Silk Robe
Diamond Armlet

Haste 2, Slow 2, Stop, Comet
Raise, Esuna

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Bill
Male
Gemini
70
55
Monk
Chivalry
HP Restore
Martial Arts
Warpath
FS Bag

Chakra Band
Earth Clothes
Sprint Shoes

Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Iron Will

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Bueller
Male
Aquarius
70
55
Monk
Chivalry
HP Restore
Martial Arts
Warpath
FS Bag

Chakra Band
Earth Clothes
Sprint Shoes

Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Iron Will

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Bullet
Male
Aries
40
40
Chemist
Steal

Defense UP
Move-MP Up
H Bag

Black Hood
Brigandine
Diamond Armlet

X-Potion, Antidote, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down
Quickening

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Palettes: Black/Yellow

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Baratheons
Female
Leo
70
40
Dancer
Punch Art
HP Restore
Martial Arts
Fly
FS Bag

Twist Headband
Secret Clothes
Cursed Ring

Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive

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Starks
Male
Aries
50
50
Archer
Basic Skill
Projectile Guard
Concentrate
Ignore Height
Windslash Bow

Green Beret
Black Costume
Chantage

Arm Aim, Head Break, Armor Break
Accumulate, Heal, Yell, Wish

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Targaryans
Female
Sagittarius
40
40
Chemist
Draw Out
Finger Guard
Defense UP

Mythril Gun

Thief Hat
Black Costume
Reflect Ring

X-Potion, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down
Koutetsu, Kiyomori, Masamune

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Lannisters
Male
Aquarius
70
40
Monk
Jump
HP Restore
Equip Polearm
Ignore Height
Mythril Spear

Choice Band
Power Sleeve
Cursed Ring

Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump3

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Palettes: Black/Red

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Ready
Female
Serpentarius
40
40
Chemist
Talk Skill
Auto Potion
Equip Shield

Orichalcum
Flame Shield
Green Beret
Santa Outfit
Wizard Mantle

Hi-Potion, Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
Blackmail, Solution, Mimic Daravon

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Set
Male
Serpentarius
70
40
Monk
Ninjitsu
Speed Save
Equip Ranged
Move-HP Up
Gastrafitis

Chakra Band
Black Costume
Germinas Boots

Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Houkouton

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Go
Female
Serpentarius
40
70
Time Mage
White Magic

Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Wizard Staff

Golden Hairpin
Silk Robe
Magic Ring

Haste 2, Stop, Sinkhole
Raise, Wall, Esuna

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Trips
Male
Serpentarius
70
40
Squire
Chivalry
Awareness
Concentrate
Move+1
Phoenix Blade
Zephyr Shield
Twist Headband
Black Costume
Angel Ring

Accumulate, Bullrush, Throw Stone, Heal
Consecration, Grand Cross

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Palettes: Green/Blue

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Shino Aburame
Female
Libra
70
40
Ninja
Snipe
HP Restore
Equip Magegear
Warpath
Healing Staff
Healing Staff
Black Hood
Santa Outfit
Sprint Shoes

Kagesougi
Arm Aim, Execute, Head Break, Armor Break

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Sancho Panza
Male
Gemini
40
70
Squire
White Magic
Regenerator
Two Swords
Move-MP Up
Ancient Sword
Sleep Sword
Black Hood
Light Robe
Jade Armlet

Throw Stone, Heal, Yell
Raise, Wall, Esuna

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Wes Dont Starve
Male
Libra
40
40
Mime
Basic Skill
Counter
Two Swords
Move-HP Up

Platina Helmet
Diamond Armor
N-Kai Armlet

Throw Stone, Heal, Yell, Wish

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Mother Theresa
Female
Aries
70
40
Monk
Steal
HP Restore
Martial Arts
Warpath

Chakra Band
Brigandine
Chantage

Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Quickening, Steal Heart, Steal Accessry

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Palettes: Red/Blue

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Atrushan
Male
Aries
70
40
Paladin
Item
Counter
Throw Item
Jump+2
Phoenix Blade
Zephyr Shield
Mythril Helmet
Diamond Armor
Defense Armlet

Nurse, Consecration, Grand Cross
Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Chrono's Tear, Phoenix Down

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Tamryn
Female
Pisces
40
70
Priest
Black Magic
Projectile Guard
Equip Ranged
Move-MP Up
Ice Bow

Golden Hairpin
Black Robe
Defense Ring

Cure 2, Raise
Fire, Nether Fire, Bolt, Nether Bolt, Ice, Nether Ice

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Hathram
Male
Sagittarius
70
40
Samurai
Steal
Awareness
Overwhelm
Flee
Kiyomori

Mythril Helmet
Diamond Armor
Magic Gauntlet

Murasame, Muramasa, Masamune, Chirijiraden
Quickening, Steal Heart

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Farna
Female
Virgo
40
70
Oracle
Summon Magic
MP Restore
Defense UP
Move-MP Up
Wizard Staff

Holy Miter
Robe of Lords
Defense Ring

Zombie, Petrify
Moogle, Shiva, Ramuh, Ifrit, Fairy, Odin

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Palettes: White/Blue

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Windstorm
Male
Gemini
70
40
Monk
Ninjitsu

Overwhelm
Move+1
FS Bag

Chakra Band
Santa Outfit
Bracer

Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Fuuton

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Flow
Male
Aquarius
70
40
Ninja
Item
PA Save
Overwhelm
Warpath
FS Bag
Spiked Futon
Twist Headband
Brigandine
Defense Ring

Meiton, Fuuton
X-Potion, Phoenix Down

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The Breeze
Female
Libra
40
70
Scholar
Summon Magic
Distribute
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Ivory Rod

Holy Miter
Santa Outfit
108 Gems

Tornado
Moogle, Fairy, Silf, Odin

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Tailwind
Female
Serpentarius
40
70
Priest
Time Magic
Counter Magic
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Wizard Staff

Black Hood
Silk Robe
Defense Ring

Cure 4, Raise
Haste 2, Slow 2

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Palettes: Black/Yellow

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Eye
Male
Virgo
70
40
Paladin
Time Magic
Counter
Equip Light Blade
Move+1
Platina Dagger
Zephyr Shield
Cross Helmet
Maximillian
Germinas Boots

Nurse, Consecration, Transfusion, Iron Will, Reraise
Don't Move, Balance

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Yam
Male
Virgo
70
40
Archer
Ninjitsu
HP Restore
Attack UP
Warpath
Atheist Bow

Twist Headband
Power Sleeve
108 Gems

Leg Aim, Cover Fire
Meiton, Fuuton, Suiton

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Sow
Male
Taurus
70
40
Archer
Talk Skill
Damage Split
Defense UP

Atheist Bow

Twist Headband
Secret Clothes
Cherche

Leg Aim, Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye, Execute
Refute, Mimic Daravon

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Ded
Male
Capricorn
70
40
Monk
Jump
Projectile Guard
Equip Polearm
Warpath
Dragon Whisker

Chakra Band
Power Sleeve
Bracer

Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8

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Palettes: White/Green

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Shalow
Male
Cancer
70
40
Thief
Punch Art
Awareness
Equip Armor
Jump+2
Lionheart

Crystal Helmet
Diamond Armor
Elf Mantle

Power Ruin, Mind Ruin
Repeating Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive

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Letha
Female
Scorpio
70
70
Ninja
Black Magic
Damage Split
Equip Magegear
Move-MP Up
Short Edge
Thunder Rod
Black Hood
Wizard Outfit
Defense Ring

Tsuzumasuku, Houkouton
Bolt, Nether Bolt, Bolt 2

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Csarqu
Male
Cancer
70
40
Lancer
Black Magic
Dragon Spirit
Overwhelm
Teleport
Dragon Whisker
Genji Shield
Platina Helmet
Diamond Armor
Rubber Shoes

Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
Poison, Frog

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Quesou
Female
Pisces
40
70
Priest
Yin Yang Magic
MP Restore
Magic Defend UP
Pilgrimage
Wizard Staff

Holy Miter
Light Robe
Defense Ring

Cure 3, Cure 4, Raise, Raise 2, Esuna
Dispel Magic

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Palettes: Red/Blue

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Argon
Male
Libra
70
40
Monk

HP Restore
Martial Arts
Warpath
FS Bag

Chakra Band
Power Sleeve
Bracer

Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Revive

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Helium
Female
Libra
40
60
Chemist
Steal
Awareness
Equip Shield

Main Gauche
Ice Shield
Flash Hat
Black Costume
Wizard Mantle

X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
Bad Luck, Steal Heart, Steal Accessry

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Xenon
Female
Gemini
40
70
Priest
Black Magic
Abandon
Equip Shield
Move-MP Up
Mace of Zeus
Aegis Shield
Flash Hat
Chameleon Robe
Dracula Mantle

Cure 2, Cure 3, Raise, Esuna
Bolt, Bolt 2

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Neon
Female
Aquarius
40
70
Geomancer
Time Magic
Abandon
Half of MP
Move-MP Up
Rune Blade
Aegis Shield
Holy Miter
Wizard Robe
Dracula Mantle

Haste 2, Slow 2, Stop, Comet

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Palettes: Black/Red

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Butters
Male
Gemini
70
55
Paladin
Punch Art
Abandon
Concentrate

Phoenix Blade
Genji Shield
Barbuta
Black Robe
Feather Boots

Nurse, Southern Cross
Wave Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive

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Podrick
Male
Gemini
40
40
Squire
Ninjitsu
Awareness
Attack UP
Float
Main Gauche
Kaiser Plate
Twist Headband
Power Sleeve
Feather Mantle

Bullrush, Throw Stone, Heal, Wish
Meiton, Fuuton, Houkouton

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Index
Female
Sagittarius
40
70
Priest
Draw Out
Counter Magic
Magic Attack UP

Wizard Staff

Golden Hairpin
Wizard Robe
Magic Ring

Cure 4, Raise, Shell, Esuna, Holy
Murasame, Muramasa, Masamune

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Alexandria
Female
Leo
40
70
Scholar
Summon Magic
MP Restore
Short Charge

Rune Blade

Holy Miter
Robe of Lords
Diamond Armlet

Earth Dragon, Mad Science, Bio 2, Quake
Moogle, Leviathan, Salamander, Fairy, Bahamut

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Palettes: Black/Red

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Fu
Male
Leo
70
43
Monk
Ninjitsu
HP Restore
Martial Arts
Warpath
FS Bag

Chakra Band
Power Sleeve
Sprint Shoes

Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive
Shuriken

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Endure
Male
Aries
70
43
Lancer
Item
Abandon
Throw Item
Ignore Height
Javelin
Escutcheon II
Gold Helmet
Crystal Mail
Jade Armlet

Level Jump4, Vertical Jump3
X-Potion, Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down

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Timey-Wimey
Female
Sagittarius
40
70
Time Mage
White Magic

Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Healing Staff

Black Hood
Linen Robe
Defense Ring

Haste 2, Slow 2, Stop
Cure 2, Raise, Esuna

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Arrow
Male
Aries
70
43
Archer
Draw Out
Counter Flood
Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Windslash Bow

Black Hood
Secret Clothes
Sprint Shoes

Arm Aim, Hawk's Eye, Execute, Head Break
Masamune

================================



Palettes: Black/White

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Homura
Female
Serpentarius
50
70
Time Mage
Summon Magic
MP Restore
Short Charge
Float
Healing Staff

Thief Hat
Santa Outfit
Sprint Shoes

Slow 2, Stop, Comet, Sinkhole
Moogle, Fairy, Carbunkle, Lich

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Kyuubi
Female
Serpentarius
55
70
Mime
Talk Skill
Distribute
Equip Polearm

Javelin

Choice Band
Diamond Armor
Jade Armlet

Blackmail, Preach, Refute, Insult, Mimic Daravon

================================

Madoka
Female
Serpentarius
50
70
Time Mage
Summon Magic
MP Restore
Short Charge
Float
Healing Staff

Thief Hat
Santa Outfit
Sprint Shoes

Haste 2, Stop, Comet, Sinkhole
Moogle, Fairy, Carbunkle, Lich

================================

Mami
Female
Serpentarius
40
70
Scholar
White Magic

Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Ice Rod

Holy Miter
Wizard Outfit
Jade Armlet

Rime Bolt, Bio 2, Quake
Cure 3, Raise, Esuna

================================



Palettes: White/Blue

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Missionary
Male
Aries
70
40
Ninja
Item
Counter
Defense UP
Move-HP Up
Spell Edge
Hidden Knife
Black Hood
Santa Outfit
Sprint Shoes

X-Potion, Chrono's Tear, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down

================================

Runner
Male
Aries
70
40
Samurai
Basic Skill
Auto Potion
Concentrate
Move-HP Up
Chirijiraden

Diamond Helmet
Reflect Mail
Battle Boots

Masamune
Throw Stone, Heal, Wish

================================

Holy
Female
Libra
40
70
Scholar
White Magic

Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Healing Staff

Holy Miter
Linen Robe
Defense Ring

Tornado
Raise, Esuna, Holy

================================

Statue
Female
Libra
40
70
Oracle
Time Magic
Abandon
Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Faith Rod

Black Hood
Santa Outfit
Leather Mantle

Petrify
Sinkhole

================================



Palettes: Blue/Green

================================

Coral
Female
Virgo
40
70
Wizard
Lore
Counter Magic
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Prismatic Rod

Holy Miter
Robe of Lords
Jade Armlet

Water, Nether Water, Water 2
Maelstrom, Tornado, Quake

================================

Morgan
Male
Capricorn
70
50
Squire
Chivalry
Absorb MP
Overwhelm
Ignore Height
Coral Sword
Mythril Shield
Green Beret
Rubber Costume
Angel Ring

Accumulate, Throw Stone, Heal, Wish
Grand Cross

================================

Rio
Male
Taurus
55
40
Ninja
Punch Art
Abandon
Martial Arts
Move-MP Up
FS Bag
FS Bag
Twist Headband
Rubber Costume
108 Gems

Meiton, Fuuton, Suiton
Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra, Revive

================================

Nadah
Male
Virgo
40
40
Squire
Item
Projectile Guard
Throw Item
Flee
Air Knife
Kaiser Plate
Green Beret
Secret Clothes
Jade Armlet

Throw Stone, Heal
X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down

================================



Palettes: White/Brown

================================

Nidoking
Male
Gemini
50
50
Bard
Talk Skill
Finger Guard
Maintenance
Move-HP Up
Ramia Harp

Holy Miter
Black Costume
Magic Ring

Blackmail, Stall, Death Sentence, Refute, Insult, Mimic Daravon

================================

Milotic
Female
Sagittarius
40
70
Priest
Black Magic
Finger Guard
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Wizard Staff

Golden Hairpin
Black Costume
Diamond Armlet

Cure, Raise, Esuna, Holy
Frog

================================

Flygon
Male
Aries
70
50
Lancer
Item
Chrono Trigger
Throw Item
Float
Javelin
Genji Shield
Barbuta
Diamond Armor
N-Kai Armlet

Level Jump4, Vertical Jump5
X-Potion, Ether, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down

================================

Tyranitar
Female
Libra
40
70
Scholar
White Magic

Magic Attack UP
Move-MP Up
Healing Staff

Holy Miter
Earth Clothes
Cursed Ring

Earth Dragon, Shadow Shade
Raise, Esuna, Holy

================================



Palettes: Green/Brown

================================

Sorsha
Female
Pisces
40
70
Wizard
Draw Out
Auto Potion
Magic Attack UP

Wizard Rod

Holy Miter
Wizard Robe
N-Kai Armlet

Flare
Koutetsu, Bizen Boat, Murasame, Masamune, Chirijiraden

================================

Claire
Female
Scorpio
40
70
Priest
Black Magic
Absorb MP
Defense UP
Move-MP Up
Sadist's Whip

Flash Hat
Robe of Lords
Jade Armlet

Cure 2, Raise 2, Protect 2, Shell 2, Esuna
Frog

================================

Chise
Female
Cancer
40
70
Oracle
Summon Magic
MP Restore
Short Charge
Move+1
Faith Rod

Black Hood
Black Costume
Magic Ring

Paralyze, Petrify
Moogle, Fairy, Carbunkle

================================

Anomie
Female
Cancer
40
70
Summoner
Time Magic
MP Restore
Short Charge
Jump+2
Gold Staff

Black Hood
Black Costume
Defense Ring

Moogle, Fairy, Carbunkle
Slow 2, Don't Move, Sinkhole, Demi 2

================================



Palettes: Red/Brown

================================

Feledor
Male
Scorpio
70
50
Squire
Chivalry
Auto Potion
Defense UP

Air Knife
Kaiser Plate
Twist Headband
Santa Outfit
Angel Ring

Bullrush, Throw Stone, Heal, Wish
Transfusion, Iron Will, Grand Cross

================================

Grest
Male
Scorpio
70
50
Lancer
Item
Dragon Spirit
Throw Item
Jump+1
Partisan
Zephyr Shield
Barbuta
Carabini Mail
Wizard Mantle

Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down

================================

Historia
Female
Taurus
40
70
Priest
Time Magic
Critical Quick
Magic Defend UP
Move-MP Up
Healing Staff

Golden Hairpin
White Robe
Magic Ring

Cure 2, Raise, Wall, Esuna
Haste 2, Comet, Sinkhole

================================

Pyrope
Female
Taurus
40
70
Oracle
Lore
Damage Split
Short Charge
Move-MP Up
Healing Staff

Holy Miter
Wizard Robe
Magic Ring

Blind Rage, Beguile, Dispel Magic, Paralyze
Mad Science, Bio, Bio 2

================================

Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Andante49 on June 11, 2015, 10:01:36 am
Bracket - http://challonge.com/arena4 (http://challonge.com/arena4)

Videos & Maps


Match #1 - Rouroni Elmdor vs silentkaster (https://youtu.be/HYb3T75yUYc)
L:(029) Colliery Underground Second Floor
S:(021) Zeltennia Castle
M:(048) Slums of Zarghidas
How it Ended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgR7Kjjw12k)

Match #2 - fattyzilla vs Fanatic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn3xb_9b00U)
L:(050) St. Murond Temple
S:(020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle
M:(105) TERMINATE

Match #3 - Lakitu673 vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/3xWGxuaoNyU)
L:(028) Colliery Underground First Floor
S:(086) Doguola Pass
M:(030) Colliery Underground Third Floor

Match #4 - Red World vs Jumza (https://youtu.be/dEZ0ib5ANs4)
L:(042) Warjilis Trade City
S:(007) Inside of Riovanes Castle
M:(005) Roof of Riovanes Castle

Match #5 - Heroebal vs Reks (https://youtu.be/D52xY0aRIbQ)
L:(054) Lost Sacred Precincts
S:(053) Entrance to Death City
M:(051) St. Murond Temple

Match #6 - True Light vs Epic (https://youtu.be/1qNoH4_yi5w)
L:(019) At the Gate of Limberry Castle (2)
S:(052) Chapel of St. Murond Temple
M:(077) Lenalia Plateau

Match #7 - Shintroy vs Dol (https://youtu.be/Ir1QrhMATo4)
L:(010) Inside of Igros Castle
S:(062) Chapel of Orbonne Monastery
M:(057) Underground Book Storage First Floor

Match #8 - CT5Holy vs Barren (https://youtu.be/_7Tx5Wy-LVE)
L:(047) Zarghidas Trade City
S:(094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building
M:(077) Lenalia Plateau

Match #9 - Malroth vs White Knight Wiegraf (https://youtu.be/z0w2VOaMCI8)
L:(059) Underground Book Storage Third Floor
S:(062) Chapel of Orbonne Monastery
M:(077) Lenalia Plateau

Match #10 - Corosar vs skiploom188 (https://youtu.be/ulQoJar8xVs)
L:(110) VALKYRIES
S:(011) Office of Igros Castle
M:(091) Thieves Fort

Match #11 - Zotis vs Anima Zero (http://youtu.be/QXBBGxGvEZM)
L:(115) Banished Fort
S:(021) Zeltennia Castle
M:(080) Araguay Woods

Match #12 - Vireblaze vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/G_IZm0F2ckY)
L:(050) St. Murond Temple
S:(053) Entrance to Death City
M:(101) Tutorial (1)


Match #13 - dw6561 vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/BeNcj3D4IGA)
L:(084) Bariaus Hill
S:(065) Granary of Bethla Garrison
M:(009) Citadel of Igros Castle

Match #14 - fattyzilla vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/t22HjxgmU3s)
L:(027) Goland Coal City
S:(043) Port of Warjilis
M:(005) Roof of Riovanes Castle

Match #15 - StarRacer vs RedWorld (https://youtu.be/aVrNZSGYcVs)
L:(027) Goland Coal City
S:(096) Pub
M:(105) TERMINATE

Match #16 - Reks vs TrueLight (https://youtu.be/E19UNiiuCY0)
L:(045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church
S:(065) Granary of Bethla Garrison
M:(005) Roof of Riovanes Castle

Match #17 - reinoe vs Shintroy (https://youtu.be/3UX30j713yE)
L:(079) Yuguo Woods
S:(113) HORROR
M:(091) Thieves Fort
How it Ended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk)

Match #18 - CT5Holy vs Malroth (https://youtu.be/UXkHGw2Zjjg)
L:(046) Cemetary of Heavenly Knight, Balbanes
S:(086) Doguola Pass
M:(001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle

Match #19 - Vigilanti vs Corosar (https://youtu.be/6b7O2Pj1rRw)
L:(015) At the Gate of Limberry Castle (1)
S:(049) Fort Zeakden
M:(058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor

Match #20 - Zotis vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/t--StlR8Pnk)
L:(082) Bed Desert
S:(011) Office of Igros Castle
M:(034) Cellar of Sand Mouse


Match #21 - dw6561 vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/29D2mPy666M)
L:(010) Inside of Igros Castle
S:(092) Igros-Belouve Residence
M:(030) Colliery Underground Third Floor
How it Ended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPz7drjr68s)

Match #22 - RedWorld vs Reks (https://youtu.be/pmKN3X70dIU)
L:(099) Main Street of Lesalia
S:(021) Zeltennia Castle
M:(063) Golgorland Execution Site

Match #23 - Shintroy vs CT5Holy (https://youtu.be/StiaNSLdABQ)
L:(006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle
S:(018) Office of Limberry Castle
M:(034) Cellar of Sand Mouse

Match #24 - Vigilanti vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/Dl8WGZDm124)
L:(075) Bervenia Volcano
S:(104) Belouve Residence
M:(001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle


Match #25 - Andante49 vs Reks (https://youtu.be/BNm5XP6A0mQ)
L:(071) Dolbodar Swamp
S:(004) Office of Lesalia Castle
M:(034) Cellar of Sand Mouse

Match #26 - Shintroy vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/npmXIgtXTHE)
L:(045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church
S:(020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle
M:(051) St. Murond Temple


Match #27 - Andante49 vs Shintroy (https://youtu.be/nFXMcFr5oHQ)
L:(010) Inside of Igros Castle
S:(086) Doguola Pass
M:(009) Citadel of Igros Castle


Match L#1 - Fanatic vs Lakitu673 (http://youtu.be/4ljfBG5exP8)
L:(019) At the Gate of Limberry Castle (2)
S:(007) Inside of Riovanes Castle
M:(058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor

Match L#2 - Heroebal vs Epic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mslfRhnlL8)
L:(002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
S:(013) Inside of Lionel Castle
M:(063) Golgorland Execution Site

Match L#3 - Barren vs White Knight Wiegraf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1pl2E2Njc)
L:(075) Bervenia Volcano
S:(041) Besrodio's House
M:(077) Lenalia Plateau

Match L#4 - Anima Zero vs Vire Blaze (http://youtu.be/tPIig-FwUdU)
L:(002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
S:(093) Broke Down Shed-Wooden Building
M:(025) Yardow Fort City


Match L#5 - Zotis vs silentkaster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBnvmvSeHE)
L:(074) Sweegy Woods
S:(094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building
M:(034) Cellar of Sand Mouse

Match L#6 - Corosar vs Lakitu673 (http://youtu.be/Pm1vxo5KC-M)
L:(002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
S:(012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle
M:(009) Citadel of Igros Castle

Match L#7 - Malroth vs Jumza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RlK5Q5F6ZA)
L:(045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church
S:(018) Office of Limberry Castle
M:(069) Murond Death City

Match L#8 - reinoe vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/zYTSZhKJlTk)
L:(076) Zeklaus Desert
S:(062) Chapel of Orbonne Monastery
M:(016) Inside of Limberry Castle

Match L#9 - TrueLight vs Dol (https://youtu.be/Fn8Sn_ILyig)
L:(046) Cemetary of Heavenly Knight, Balbanes
S:(073) Inside of Windmill Shed
M:(116) Arena

Match L#10 - StarRacer vs Barren (https://youtu.be/l452aiJBAag)
L:(055) Graveyard of Airships
S:(012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle
M:(034) Cellar of Sand Mouse

Match L#11 - fattyzilla vs skiploom188 (https://youtu.be/nhvgspxyLgo)
L:(039) Underground Passage in Goland
S:(023) Belouve Residence
M:(032) Slums in Dorter

Match L#12 - Rouroni Elmdor vs Vireblaze (https://youtu.be/cfXrapwVppA)
L:(089) Poeskas Lake
S:(104) Belouve Residence
M:(022) Magic City Gariland


Match L#13 - silentkaster vs Lakitu673 (https://youtu.be/tC3-dXCdbYg)
L:(106) DELTA
S:(111) MLAPAN
M:(030) Colliery Underground Third Floor

Match L#14 - Jumza vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/AikJR4JPp_I)
L:(066) South Wall of Bethla Garrison
S:(096) Pub
M:(091) Thieves Fort

Match L#15 - TrueLight vs Barren (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMYKVlTjMg0)
L:(090) Germinas Peak
S:(113) HORROR
M:(025) Yardow Fort City

Match L#16 - fattyzilla vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8adyLsbmB1Y)
L:(061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor
S:(041) Besrodio's House
M:(016) Inside of Limberry Castle


Match L#17 - RedWorld vs silentkaster (http://youtu.be/QEpIRw1EQLk)
L:(075) Bervenia Volcano
S:(043) Port of Warjilis
M:(051) St. Murond Temple

Match L#18 - dw6561 vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/MnpTUhENPIU)
L:(090) Germinas Peak
S:(041) Besrodio's House
M:(030) Colliery Underground Third Floor

Match L#19 - Vigilanti vs Barren (https://youtu.be/YeWrirXz3jk)
L:(125) Checkerboard Stairs
S:(096) Pub
M:(101) Tutorial (1)

Match L#20 - CT5Holy vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/t9HwAQXikwk)
L:(015) At the Gate of Limberry Castle (1)
S:(012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle
M:(077) Lenalia Plateau


Match L#21 - silentkaster vs dw6561 (http://youtu.be/rw2iziJGW7g)
L:(044) Bervenia Free City
S:(021) Zeltennia Castle
M:(105) TERMINATE

Match L#22 - Barren vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/F65VdP59MQg)
L:(039) Underground Passage in Goland
S:(086) Doguola Pass
M:(016) Inside of Limberry Castle


Match L#23 - Mudvayne vs silentkaster (https://youtu.be/0HkqAln3uX4)
L:(054) Lost Sacred Precincts
S:(065) Granary of Bethla Garrison
M:(101) Tutorial (1)

Match L#24 - Reks vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/OhOEynggYto)
L:(015) At the Gate of Limberry Castle (1)
S:(004) Office of Lesalia Castle
M:(091) Thieves Fort


Match L#25 - silentkaster vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/J4mLQfxregs)
L:(099) Main Street of Lesalia
S:(049) Fort Zeakden
M:(001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle


Match L#26 - Andante49 vs silentkaster (http://youtu.be/4X1QMrQudcU)
L:(088) Finath River
S:(008) Riovanes Castle
M:(069) Murond Death City


Match #28 - Shintroy vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/EOvMstEgNL4)
L:(061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor
S:(104) Belouve Residence
M:(032) Slums in Dorter
M:(105) TERMINATE
M:(097) Inside Castle Gate in Lesalia

Match #29 - Andante49 vs Shintroy (https://youtu.be/EOvMstEgNL4#t=17m47s)
L:(015) At the Gate of Limberry Castle (1)
S:(103) Windmill Shed
M:(063) Golgorland Execution Site
M:(048) Slums of Zarghidas
M:(069) Murond Death City
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 11, 2015, 10:56:05 am
I can actually get started on the matches tomorrow if everyone really can't wait due to the hype. Anyways my first opponent: CT5Holy.

Always a classic matchup between the two of us. Too bad one of us has to be eliminated first, I'm counting on not being me though :P

Anyways good luck my friend
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Jumza on June 11, 2015, 11:07:07 am
Cool stuff guys! Good luck to RedWorld / StarRacer, hopefully we'll get some good matches out of the three of us.

Barren, I sent you a pm a few days ago about Neon getting Comet in her skillset, did she not have enough JP? You never replied :P
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 11, 2015, 11:09:29 am
Quote from: Jumza on June 11, 2015, 11:07:07 am
Cool stuff guys! Good luck to RedWorld / StarRacer, hopefully we'll get some good matches out of the three of us.

Barren, I sent you a pm a few days ago about Neon getting Comet in her skillset, did she not have enough JP? You never replied :P


Sorry, had so many PMs that I lost track. Anyways she does have enough for comet and is fixed
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: skiploom188 on June 11, 2015, 11:10:00 am
THIS IS IT.

You read my mind Barren. I'm hyped!

Let's get started! Hope I'm not being forceful...
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Elmdork on June 11, 2015, 11:14:19 am
Oh dear god I got silentkaster first. Not so much the fact it's silentkaster (my oldest rival) but he has an answer for everything I do on all his units. Ouch, definitely an up-hill battle, but he'll have to work for his revenge (he was 1 of the 2 matches no foolin' has played)

karma's a bitch

XD

seriously tho, he was the only one who knew/prepared for my tricks. Goddamnit nappa..
I was hoping never to cross that beast of a team (except for afterwards I intended to challenge this very team and malroth's)
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 11, 2015, 11:32:02 am
Also anyone has music requests for the matches I'm doing please PM me which track you want me to use
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 11, 2015, 12:23:13 pm
Oh i have skiploom first.... i had to double take at how similar some of our units were... didn't expect that honestly! can't wait to get started! not sure how Star will take to being byed to round 2... hmm we will have to see how it will turn out!
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: CT5Holy on June 11, 2015, 12:40:03 pm
Haha, sweet. Hopefully one of us tears up the loser's bracket or something XD

Actually I seriously have no idea how my team will do... it's an update of Holy Stones, but things are very different now obviously =P

Thanks to all the newcomers for participating! Fun times await :D

gl hf everyone~
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Zotis on June 11, 2015, 12:53:21 pm
Really exited.  I'm actually a bit nervous about AnimaZero's team because it's pretty anti-status and low faith.

Oh Barren, please play some Napalm Death for me.  :p  kidding, I wouldn't make you suffer that much.  I'll probably request some anime music though.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: StarRacer on June 11, 2015, 12:59:22 pm
My first tournament online, first team, first time for everything, i hope everyone does well.

P.S: My lancer is so goddamn weird. xD Scratch that the entire team is so weird.. What I get for basing them off rp charactors. Lol!
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: skiploom188 on June 11, 2015, 01:03:06 pm
Hey Corosar, looking forward to our match already. This should be fun!

And just so you know, I've joined Arena more than once, here's my portfolio:
1st time I joined: Lost the first match, moved a little in the Loser's bracket and eventually lost
2nd time: Lost the first match, lost the Loser's bracket instantly
3rd time: Lost the first match, lost the Loser's bracket instantly
4th time: Lost the first match, lost the Loser's bracket instantly

This'll be my 5th time entering!

Best of luck out there Corosar and WELCOME to FFT Arena :)
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: TrueLight on June 11, 2015, 02:21:16 pm
Good luck to everyone. As usual, here are some stats for the tournament.

Female: 58
Male: 54


Aries: 14
Libra: 14
Serpentarius: 13
Gemini: 12
Sagittarius: 9
Virgo: 9
Aquarius: 7
Taurus: 7
Cancer: 6
Pisces: 6
Capricorn: 5
Leo: 5
Scorpio: 5


Monk: 13
Priest: 8
Time Mage: 8
Archer: 7
Chemist: 7
Ninja: 7
Paladin: 7
Samurai: 7
Scholar: 7
Squire: 7
Mime: 6
Oracle: 5
Geomancer: 4
Lancer: 4
Thief: 4
Mediator: 3
Wizard: 3
Bard: 2
Dancer: 2
Summoner: 1


White Magic: 16
Item: 11
Draw Out: 10
Summon Magic: 10
Ninjitsu: 9
Steal: 8
Time Magic: 8
Black Magic: 7
Talk Skill: 7
Basic Skill: 6
Chivalry: 5
Punch Art: 4
Snipe: 3
Jump: 2
Lore: 2
Yin Yang Magic: 1


Auto Potion: 12
HP Restore: 11
Abandon: 10
MP Restore: 8
Damage Split: 7
Awareness: 6
Finger Guard: 6
Projectile Guard: 6
Counter: 5
Counter Magic: 4
Dragon Spirit: 4
Absorb MP: 4
PA Save: 4
Counter Flood: 2
Distribute: 2
Speed Save: 2
Chrono Trigger: 1
Counter Tackle: 1
Critical Quick: 1
MA Save: 1
Regenerator: 1


Magic Attack UP: 19
Short Charge: 17
Martial Arts: 9
Concentrate: 8
Defense UP: 8
Equip Shield: 7
Overwhelm: 7
Attack UP: 6
Throw Item: 6
Equip Magegear: 4
Equip Ranged: 4
Magic Defend UP: 3
Equip Polearm: 3
Two Swords: 3
Equip Light Blade: 2
Maintenance: 2
Equip Armor: 1
Half of MP: 1
Two Hands: 1
Unyielding: 1


Move-MP Up: 34
Move-HP Up: 17
Warpath: 13
Float: 6
Move+1: 6
Ignore Height: 5
Jump+2: 3
Teleport: 3
Flee: 2
Fly: 2
Jump+1: 2
Pilgrimage: 2


Main
Black: 8
White: 8
Red: 5
Blue: 4
Green: 3

Secondary
Blue: 8
Red: 5
Black: 4
Yellow: 4
Brown: 3
Green: 3
White: 1
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: StarRacer on June 11, 2015, 02:58:29 pm
wow, well, goddamn the hype, both nervous and scared, its like knowing you'll loose, but the when is a killer. we've a great lineup, good luck to everyone and thanks skiploom188. ^,_,^

Edit; besides, winning or loosing, its interesting to see how the teams do in this VS, and no offense but if frogs go off i'm going to be laughing my butt off xD best to do is shrug off the end, and look at the journey!

"if you only see the win or loss, is that really having fun?"
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Kurosabes on June 11, 2015, 03:45:18 pm
Good luck to all

Some more stats.


40 - 48
45 - 1
50 - 11
55 - 2
60 - 2
65 - 1
70 - 47



40 - 31
43 - 3
45 - 2
48 - 2
50 - 24
55 - 3
60 - 2
70 - 45


I'll also gather weapons, armor and individual abilities stats if you aren't doing it right now TrueLight
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: TrueLight on June 11, 2015, 03:54:50 pm
Quote from: White Knight Wiegraf on June 11, 2015, 03:45:18 pm
I'll also gather weapons, armor and individual abilities stats if you aren't doing it right now TrueLight
Nah, I'm done gathering stats for the day. You can go ahead and do that.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 11, 2015, 04:18:07 pm
If I made any oversights on the team making please PM me and I will look in my inbox for your messages. Sorry for the mistakes everyone

Edit: Everything should be good to go now.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on June 11, 2015, 05:31:24 pm
Is Kagousougi still good? I am mainly asking since I don't see many other teams use it and I have a equip gun, kagousougi monk.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 11, 2015, 06:06:13 pm
Yes it is. It's usually better with two swords.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Shintroy on June 11, 2015, 06:33:56 pm
My bracket's full of nothing but killers. What did I do wrong to get dealt this hand? Ah well. It's not like I wanted to take this easily or anything.

I see a lot of new unit builds from almost everyone surprisingly. All of these 10 SP Mediators and 12 SP gunners look absolutely terrifying. Are people willing to stoop this low to win? It's a good thing us mimes didn't make any cheap and powerful teams. The Damned would be proud.

Quote from: fattyzila on June 11, 2015, 05:31:24 pm
Is Kagousougi still good? I am mainly asking since I don't see many other teams use it and I have a equip gun, kagousougi monk.


Gun on a Monk? Never thought of that one. Hope it turns out well for you.

Looking forward to the item and ability stats. Worried about how many Raise 2 users there are.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 11, 2015, 07:07:58 pm
My honest opinion is my worry of status effects... i don't have any way of getting rid of the frog effects i see everywhere... but other than that my other worry is how my white priest archer is gonna turn out ^w^~
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Malroth on June 11, 2015, 07:59:21 pm
my prediction for my team,  Win 1st round Loose second to barren, Win first match in loosers bracket then a final loss the round after.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Heroebal on June 11, 2015, 10:14:16 pm
For first time entering a tournament here I will be happy with a win. I think with Reks team I'm hoping my squad has enough of a speed advantage to take out that wizard and squire. Otherwise I think those nether fires , summons, and tans are wreck havoc.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Kurosabes on June 11, 2015, 10:48:40 pm
Items and abilities data:


TOP 3:
1. Healing Staff (14)
2. FS Bag (12)
3. Wizard Staff (8)

KNIVES (12)
Main Gauche (6)
Orichalcum (3)
Air Knife (2)
Platina Dagger (1)

NINJA SWORDS (3)
Hidden Knife, Short Edge, Spell Edge, Sasuke Knife (1)

SWORDS (18)
Rune Blade (4)
Phoenix Blade, Tactician's Blade (3)
Ancient Sword, Sleep Sword, Lionheart (2)
Mystic Blade, Coral Sword (1)

KNIGHT SWORDS
Chaos Blade (1)

KATANAS (6)
Kiyomori (5)
Asura Knife, Chirijiraden (1)

AXES
Giant Axe (1)

RODS (6)
Prismatic Rod (3)
Wizard Rod, Faith Rod (2)
Thunder Rod, Ice Rod (1)

STAVES (24)
Healing Staff (14)
Wizard Staff (8)
Gold Staff, Mace of Zeus (1)

FLAILS (2)
Sadist's Whip, Spiked Fuuton (1)

GUNS (4)
Romanda Gun (3)
Blaze Gun, Mythril Gun (1)

CROSSBOWS
Gastrafitis (2)

LONGBOWS (6)
Ice Bow, Windslash Bow, Atheist's Bow (2)

HARPS
Ramia Harp (1)

SPEARS (6)
Javelin (3)
Dragon Whisker (2)
Mythril Spear, Partisan (1)

STICKS
Ivory Rod (2)

BAGS (15)
FS Bag (12)
H Bag (3)



SHIELDS (29)
Zephyr Shield (8)
Aegis Shield, Genji Shield (5)
Kaiser Plate, Escutcheon II (4)
Mythril Shield, Ice Shield, Flame Shield (1)
Unused: Gold Shield, Diamond Shield, Platina Shield, Crystal Shield



TOP 3:
1. Black Hood (19)
2. Holy Miter (17)
3. Chakra Band (15)

HELMETS (20)
Platina Helmet (5)
Diamond Helmet (4)
Barbuta, Cross Helmet (3)
Mythril Helmet (2)
Gold Helmet, Circlet, Crystal Helmet (1)
Unused: Genji Helmet, Grand Helmet

HATS (74)
Black Hood (19)
Holy Miter (17)
Twisted Headband (11)
Thief Hat (10)
Flash Hat (7)
Golden Hairpin (6)
Green Beret (4)

HEADBANDS (18)
Chakra Band (15)
Choice Band (3)
Unused: Focus Band



TOP 3:
1. Santa Outfit (14)
2. Black Costume (11)
3. Power Sleeve, Secret Clothes (10)

ARMOR (21)
Diamond Armor (8)
Crystal Mail (4)
Platina Armor (3)
Gold Armor, Carabini Mail (2)
Reflect Mail, Maximillian (1)
Unused: Genji Armor

CLOTHING (61)
Santa Outfit (14)
Black Costume (11)
Power Sleeve, Secret Clothes (10)
Brigandine (6)
Wizard Outfit (5)
Earth Clothes (3)
Rubber Costume (2)

ROBES (30)
Wizard Robe, White Robe, Robe of Lords (5)
Silk Robe, Black Robe (4)
Linen Robe, Light Robe (3)
Chameleon Robe (1)



TOP 3:
1. Defense Ring (16)
2. Sprint Shoes (14)
3. Jade Armlet (9)

BOOTS (22)
Sprint Shoes (14)
Germinas Boots (3)
Battle Boots, Rubber Shoes (2)
Feather Boots (1)
Unused: Red Shoes, Iron Boots

GAUNTLETS (10)
Bracer, Genji Gauntlet (4)
Power Wrist, Magic Gauntlet (1)

RINGS (31)
Defense Ring (16)
Magic Ring (8)
Cursed Ring (4)
Reflect Ring (1)
Angel Ring (3)

ARMLETS (25)
Jade Armlet (9)
Diamond Armlet (7)
108 Gems (4)
N-Kai Armlet (3)
Defense Armlet (2)

MANTLES (13)
Dracula Mantle (5)
Wizard Mantle (3)
Leather Mantle, Feather Mantle (2)
Elf Mantle (1)
Unused: Small Mantle, Vanish Mantle

PERFUMES (10)
Cherche (4)
Setiemson (3)
Chantage (3)
Unused: Salty Rage



TOP 5
1. Esuna: 21
2. Phoenix Down, Raise: 18
3. Stigma Magic, Revive: 17
4. Chakra, Masamune: 16
5. X-Potion, Bandage: 15

SQUIRE / BASIC SKILL (13)
Heal (13)
Throw Stone (11)
Wish (10)
Accumulate (5)
Yell (4)
Bullrush (3)
Unused: Alacrity, Ultima

CHEMIST / ITEM (18)
Phoenix Down (18)
X-Potion, Bandage (15)
Soft (14)
Maiden's Kiss (13)
Chrono's Tear (11)
Echo Grass (10)
Antidote (9)
Holy Water (7)
Hi-Ether (6)
Hi-Potion, Ether (5)

PALADIN / CHIVALRY (12)
Nurse (6)
Iron Will (5)
Grand Cross (4)
Consecration (3)
Transfusion (3)
Reraise (2)
Southern Cross (2)

ARCHER / SNIPE (10)
Arm Aim (7)
Execute, Head Break (5)
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye, Armor Break (3)
Leg Aim, Weapon Break (2)
Cover Fire (1)
Unused: Shield Break

MONK / PUNCH ART (17)
Stigma Magic, Revive (17)
Chakra (16)
Repeating Fist (11)
Wave Fist (9)
Earth Slash (8)
Spin Fist (5)
Unused: Secret Fist

PRIEST / WHITE MAGIC (24)
Esuna (21)
Raise (18)
Cure 2 (11)
Raise 2 (7)
Cure, Wall, Holy (5)
Cure 3, Cure 4, Dia (4)
Regen, Protect, Protect 2, Shell, Shell 2 (1)

WIZARD / BLACK MAGIC (10)
Nether Bolt, Frog (4)
Nether Fire, Nether Ice, Bolt (3)
Bolt 2, Nether Water (2)
Fire, Ice, Water, Water 2, Poison, Flare (1)
Unused: Fire 2, Ice 2, Death

TIME MAGE / TIME MAGIC (16)
Slow 2 (10)
Haste 2, Stop (9)
Sinkhole (7)
Comet (5)
Don't Move (2)
Haste, Balance, Demi 2 (1)
Unused: Slow, Demi

SUMMONER / SUMMON MAGIC (11)
Moogle, Fairy (11)
Carbunkle (7)
Leviathan, Salamander, Odin, Bahamut (3)
Shiva, Ramuh, Ifrit, Silf, Lich (2)
Titan (1)
Unused: Cyclops, Zodiac

THIEF / STEAL (12)
Steal Heart (8)
Quickening, Steal Accessory (6)
Heretic, Bad Luck, Speed Ruin, Power Ruin, Mind Ruin (1)
Unused: Spellbreaker, Magic Ruin

MEDIATOR / TALK SKILL (10)
Mimic Daravon (9)
Blackmail (8)
Refute (6)
Stall (4)
Insult (3)
Preach, Solution, Death Sentence (1)

ORACLE / YIN-YANG MAGIC (6)
Paralyze, Petrify (3)
Dispel Magic (2)
Zombie, Silence Song, Blind Rage, Beguile, Sleep (1)
Unused: Blind, Spell Absorb, Life Drain

GEOMANCER / ELEMENTAL (4)
Water Ball, Local Quake, Kamaitachi (2)
Pitfall, Hell Ivy, Carve Model, Demon Fire, Quicksand, Sand Storm, Blizzard, Gusty Wind (1)
Unused: Lava Ball

LANCER / JUMP (6)
Level Jump6 (4)
Vertical Jump8 (3)
Level Jump4, Vertical Jump3 (2)
Vertical Jump5 (1)
Unused: Other jumps

SAMURAI / DRAW OUT (17)
Masamune (16)
Murasame (9)
Kiyomori (5)
Chirijiraden (4)
Koutetsu, Bizen Boat, Muramasa, Kikuichimonji (3)
Asura (2)
Unused: Heaven's Cloud

NINJA / NINJITSU (16)
Fuuton (7)
Kagesougi (6)
Meiton (5)
Houkouton (4)
Suiton (3)
Tsumazuku, Shuriken (1)

SCHOLAR / LORE (9)
Tornado (5)
Bio 2 (4)
Bio (3)
Quake (3)
Earth Dragon, Mad Science (2)
Maelstrom, Rime Bolt, Shadow Shade (1)
Unused: Thunder Flare, Bio 3

BARD / SING (2)
Unused skillset

DANCER / DANCE (2)
Wiznaibus (1)
Unused: Other dances
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Shintroy on June 12, 2015, 01:17:05 am
Five Tornado users and only three Quake users? This is about as clean as it gets I guess.

So tempted to do a spoiler match against Dol's team so I'll just do a match up analysis instead.


Looks like an even match up overall.

My Advantages
-Speed
-Status immunities
-Absorb Monk against the Phoenix Blade Squire
-Projectile Guard against the Gastrophetes Monk
-Immune to Don't Act and Stop against the Time Mage and Chemist
-Mime's immune to the same plus Slow
-Chances to charm the time mage and chemist
-Kiyomori

Disadvantages
-Consecration
-Two hard hitting AOE units
-Mimic Backfire is always a problem
-All units cancel status
-Range advantage

Not including my monk there are 5 units that have steal accessory. I think I'l have the advantage unless I can't get any quickenings off or if the mime wastes too many turns. Kiyomori will be huge, but every single unit can cancel it out in a single ability. There's a chance of the time mage getting stuck a poison loop which is good for me too. Does one of Dol's units have teleport? Afraid of that chapel stage.


My nerves m8
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 06:47:27 am
(Updated - See my post below)
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: StarRacer on June 12, 2015, 07:00:35 am
Quote from: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 06:47:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KktGIMwW-7Q

I made this for fun. GET PUMPED!


eh.. it IS nice but.. erm..
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: skiploom188 on June 12, 2015, 09:35:11 am
Quote from: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 06:47:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KktGIMwW-7Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KktGIMwW-7Q)

I made this for fun. GET PUMPED!



I see what you did there when you introduced me  :cool:
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 10:32:29 am
I'm sorry StarRacer, I ran into two problems - I ran out of song, and I couldn't find any recordings of matches with a team you made  :(

I wasn't intending to slight you or make you or Lakitu feel left out!

Heh, I even did a little self deprecating humor with regards to myself.

EDIT: Okay, I redid it - Since I couldn't get footage, you and Lakitu get the space reserved for the Championship matches!

https://youtu.be/7Zzb3gtSfXo
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Lakitu673 on June 12, 2015, 10:51:59 am
I'm excited just for the name drop. Plus hey, Imagine Dragons. Good job
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Reks on June 12, 2015, 01:46:44 pm
Quote from: Heroebal on June 11, 2015, 10:14:16 pm
For first time entering a tournament here I will be happy with a win. I think with Reks team I'm hoping my squad has enough of a speed advantage to take out that wizard and squire. Otherwise I think those nether fires , summons, and tans are wreck havoc.


The first Geomancer is just as big of a threat too~
Quote from: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 10:32:29 am
I'm sorry StarRacer, I ran into two problems - I ran out of song, and I couldn't find any recordings of matches with a team you made  :(

I wasn't intending to slight you or make you or Lakitu feel left out!

Heh, I even did a little self deprecating humor with regards to myself.

EDIT: Okay, I redid it - Since I couldn't get footage, you and Lakitu get the space reserved for the Championship matches!

https://youtu.be/7Zzb3gtSfXo

Ohh, that's cool. Superb choice of music~
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 12, 2015, 02:27:05 pm
Quote from: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 10:32:29 am
I'm sorry StarRacer, I ran into two problems - I ran out of song, and I couldn't find any recordings of matches with a team you made  :(

I wasn't intending to slight you or make you or Lakitu feel left out!

Heh, I even did a little self deprecating humor with regards to myself.

EDIT: Okay, I redid it - Since I couldn't get footage, you and Lakitu get the space reserved for the Championship matches!

https://youtu.be/7Zzb3gtSfXo


This is only getting me more excited for how this tournament is gonna turn out!~
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 12, 2015, 02:30:40 pm
Without any further delays it has begun! For every host please write the description of the videos just like these ones here

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 1 - Rouroni Elmdor vs silentkaster (https://youtu.be/HYb3T75yUYc)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 2 - fattyzilla vs Fanatic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn3xb_9b00U)
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Heroebal on June 12, 2015, 02:46:11 pm
is zephyr shield the same thing as swift plate? I don't see zephyr on master guide was just wondering.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Barren on June 12, 2015, 02:47:32 pm
Quote from: Heroebal on June 12, 2015, 02:46:11 pm
is zepher shield the same thing as swift plate?


Yes its just that again the mem card generator doesn't recognize the name but it does do the same thing
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 12, 2015, 02:50:10 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 12, 2015, 02:30:40 pm
Without any further delays it has begun! For every host please write the description of the videos just like these ones here

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 1 - Rouroni Elmdor vs silentkaster (https://youtu.be/HYb3T75yUYc)


*Flails arms about excitedly* DWAGONS!!!
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Fanatic on June 12, 2015, 03:01:13 pm
My Match:
Ouch. I didn't test this team. In retrospect, I should have anticipated a couple of things, like that the Paladin would spam nurse and run away a lot, or that Sow would prioritize "Refute" over "Mimic Daravon" if he was poisoned... Ah well! Losers bracket I go! Congrats Fattyzilla! May your goats always please the RNG!
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on June 12, 2015, 03:18:07 pm
Thanks Fanatic! To be honest, I didn't really test my team either, and some of my abilities weren't equipped for some reason (My chemist was supposed to have a secondary and movement ability) but overall I think I lucked out with that since my chemist just turned into an item bot, and last shotted most units from afar, so overall that went pretty well.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: StarRacer on June 12, 2015, 03:30:45 pm
I am so scared for my matches to come, and thanks fanatic, by the way nice music choice!
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Mudvayne on June 12, 2015, 04:22:21 pm
Rouroni:
2x mimed bahamuts from two casting units? Uh oh. That can be some scary potential damage. Not sure how I feel about my choice of not including a mime in my team yet :P
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Shintroy on June 12, 2015, 05:36:52 pm

High Speed, Status/Disruption team vs Summon Mime
Silentkaster has the advantage on paper, but Mimic Bahamut can OHKO units and even teams in the right conditions. It's going to come down to silentkaster KOing one of Rouroni's units to pile on damage and keep momentum for the rest of the match. I don't bet against mime, but this looks hard a hard match up for Rouroni.

Round 1 - There's almost no coming back from a sandbag loop for Rouroni due to the speed advantage.

Round 2 - Small Map? Bahamut x3? COUNTER MAGIC? Intense round. The mime's superior mobility was too much for the scholar at the end. It was a good thing it was the Steal mime and not the Talk Skill mime.

Round 3 - Pretty even start due to counter Bahamut. Rouroni's mimic Moogle made him recover faster due to mimic being instant. Rouroni kept momentum for the rest of the match surprisingly. Not sure why the thief chose to steal accessory over melee attacking. Maybe the AI recognizes spell mimickry? It wass over after the mediator went down. Followed by more Moogle?

GG. silentkaster's team was a lot more RNG reliant with counter magic and talk skill landing. 100% Nonelemental damage x3 was having none of that. Scary stuff. Count one for the mimes


Status Ranged/Melee vs Ranged/Melee team
Even with the chemist not having a secondary skill, the advantage goes to fattyzilla due to his team having a better strategy more effect status effects. No use for innocent on either team it seems. Moonlight would've been better on a 465(?) HP paladin with counter too. We'll see though.

R1 - This map's going to make things interesting. Whoever gets pushed past the chokepoint will definitely win this round. Slowly but surely fattyzilla does it by taking out that platina dagger paladin. No revival on Fanatic's team ends this as quickly as this map can be.

R2 - Quick round. A fine display of status against a team with no answers for it.

GG. I like the Kagasougi blaze gun Monk a lot. Too bad he couldn't do much on the first map.


Good stuff.
I think your team has the potential to pull off a DomieV this year. It definitely went out like DomieV by losing to a heavy caster team. Looking forward to your many many many losers bracket matches.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: dw6561 on June 12, 2015, 06:18:05 pm
The teams so far seem well designed, I can't wait to see how they do. Congratulations to Rouroni Elmdor and Fattyzilla, and good luck to silentkaster and Fanatic in the loser's bracket!

Also, good job on your team, Rouroni! The mimicked Bahamuts really caused some damage. I hope my team can stand up to that, but it was so epic that I wouldn't really care if I lost.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Jumza on June 12, 2015, 07:01:18 pm
Wowowow! Excellent first rounds guys!


So intense. So many Dragons. So much mime awesomeness.



Slightly drawn out, but still a good match. I really thought that Fanatic would take it after I saw the monk doing 400+ damage, but his team just didn't prioritize damage at all.
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Post by: StarRacer on June 12, 2015, 07:07:39 pm
Quote from: Jumza on June 12, 2015, 07:01:18 pm
Wowowow! Excellent first rounds guys!


So intense. So many Dragons. So much mime awesomeness.



Slightly drawn out, but still a good match. I really thought that Fanatic would take it after I saw the monk doing 400+ damage, but his team just didn't prioritize damage at all.



No joke too, what, was there like 10-20 bahamets? i couldn't track xD jumza, good luck to you and red, i'm a bit fearful, whoever wins is whom i gotta face.. o-O'
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Post by: Jumza on June 12, 2015, 07:28:07 pm
I wouldn't worry too much. My team is... A thing that exists. Not sure I'd describe it any other way. I don't have a setup to test with efficiently right now, so I thought I'd throw a few random things together and see what happened. I wouldn't be surprised if Red World and whoever I face in the losers bracket just pull the rug out from under me and toss me out of the tourney :P
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Post by: StarRacer on June 12, 2015, 07:32:46 pm
Quote from: Jumza on June 12, 2015, 07:28:07 pm
I wouldn't worry too much. My team is... A thing that exists. Not sure I'd describe it any other way. I don't have a setup to test with efficiently right now, so I thought I'd throw a few random things together and see what happened. I wouldn't be surprised if Red World and whoever I face in the losers bracket just pull the rug out from under me and toss me out of the tourney :P


mines just weird, and based on charactors i created so they aren't optimized like the other's teams
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 12, 2015, 09:59:09 pm
Loving your commentary Barren. Funny comments like "Archer not being very intelligent" and "That thing is going to hit like a truck" make it so entertaining. Keep it up!

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Post by: StarRacer on June 12, 2015, 10:27:46 pm
Quote from: skiploom188 on June 12, 2015, 09:59:09 pm
Loving your commentary Barren. Funny comments like "Archer not being very intelligent" and "That thing is going to hit like a truck" make it so entertaining. Keep it up!


I aprove! xD
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Post by: Elmdork on June 13, 2015, 02:12:37 am
Oh man I went through nine months of pregnancy and had a munchkin in the 1 day it took to film stuff. Nerves m8. Great job on everything, Barren. There ain't enough pot in the world to cull the excitement I'm getting outta this.

I got knocked up again and had triplets. holy shit. I wrote myself off the moment they didn't do anything turn 1, but I suppose it's fitting that their first step would land them flat on their face. Fortunately zeltennia castle is their #1 map of choice, you can figure out why for yourself.

Silentkaster...dude, that really shouldn't have happened. Your team was/is my #1 pick this year, so I expect to see you again in the finals, even if not against me (which is still likely the case)

GG, better than gg, BEST GAME.

Oh and I hope ya'll don't mind a little heart to kick off the season (no foolin' theme tune)


SHIELD WALL! Some straight up viking combat right thurr. I like watching the armored units pick away at each other until something gives, that paladin gets really nasty real quick. Evasion is an asset in this tournament.

Good job, fatty. I expect to see more from you in the winner's bracket


@ corosar: When I started, my first team was awful and my next few were heavily flawed. But I stuck with it for a while and even kept some of my early strategies but executed it much better when I had the knowledge to do so. So, my advise is to stick with and just enjoy it. Eventually you'll be fighting with the veterans on equal footing.
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Post by: Corosar on June 13, 2015, 02:22:48 am
Quote from: Rouroni Elmdor on June 13, 2015, 02:12:37 am
Oh man I went through nine months of pregnancy and had a munchkin in the 1 day it took to film stuff. Nerves m8. Great job on everything, Barren. There ain't enough pot in the world to cull the excitement I'm getting outta this.

I got knocked up again and had triplets. holy shit. I wrote myself off the moment they didn't do anything turn 1, but I suppose it's fitting that their first step would land them flat on their face. Fortunately zeltennia castle is their #1 map of choice, you can figure out why for yourself.

Silentkaster...dude, that really shouldn't have happened. Your team was/is my #1 pick this year, so I expect to see you again in the finals, even if not against me (which is still likely the case)

GG, better than gg, BEST GAME.

Oh and I hope ya'll don't mind a little heart to kick off the season (no foolin' theme tune)


SHIELD WALL! Some straight up viking combat right thurr. I like watching the armored units pick away at each other until something gives, that paladin gets really nasty real quick. Evasion is an asset in this tournament.

Good job, fatty. I expect to see more from you in the winner's bracket



(\ ^w^ /) DWAGONS!!!

in actual seriousness you both scare the crap out of me i doubt i will ever prove to have such an entertaining match honestly... besides just... DWAGONS god do i love dragons!~

And don't worry guys... after a match like todays... it makes me wanna stick around and try to excite everyone as much as you have for me!
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Post by: Reks on June 13, 2015, 05:33:08 am
Quote from: Rouroni Elmdor on June 13, 2015, 02:12:37 am
Oh man I went through nine months of pregnancy and had a munchkin in the 1 day it took to film stuff. Nerves m8. Great job on everything, Barren. There ain't enough pot in the world to cull the excitement I'm getting outta this.

I got knocked up again and had triplets. holy shit. I wrote myself off the moment they didn't do anything turn 1, but I suppose it's fitting that their first step would land them flat on their face. Fortunately zeltennia castle is their #1 map of choice, you can figure out why for yourself.

Silentkaster...dude, that really shouldn't have happened. Your team was/is my #1 pick this year, so I expect to see you again in the finals, even if not against me (which is still likely the case)

GG, better than gg, BEST GAME.

Oh and I hope ya'll don't mind a little heart to kick off the season (no foolin' theme tune)


SHIELD WALL! Some straight up viking combat right thurr. I like watching the armored units pick away at each other until something gives, that paladin gets really nasty real quick. Evasion is an asset in this tournament.

Good job, fatty. I expect to see more from you in the winner's bracket


@ corosar: When I started, my first team was awful and my next few were heavily flawed. But I stuck with it for a while and even kept some of my early strategies but executed it much better when I had the knowledge to do so. So, my advise is to stick with and just enjoy it. Eventually you'll be fighting with the veterans on equal footing.


Speaking of, when  and what would you consider someone a veteran?
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Post by: Barren on June 13, 2015, 06:21:23 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 3 - Lakitu673 vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/3xWGxuaoNyU)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 4 - RedWorld vs Jumza (https://youtu.be/dEZ0ib5ANs4)
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Post by: Jumza on June 13, 2015, 07:10:48 am
I really thought I would take this one after that first round, but RedWorld was able to take advantage of my team splitting itself up into smaller groups. Silly AI. GG Red :)
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Post by: Zotis on June 13, 2015, 09:41:18 am

I'm surprised Silentcaster got knocked down to the underworld already.  Mimes with summon magic can be really strong if they get set up.


Congradulations RedWorld!  That was a nice comeback.  That was an interesting use of Mad Science.
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 13, 2015, 10:32:16 am
Speed is just overpowering. I have a feeling the team that ends up winning at the end is going to be a speed stacked team. Even if your unit is literally half as effective damage wise, if you get a double turn you're able to have two actions versus their one giving a huge advantage to the speed unit. Even more of an advantage if it's a speedy status inflicting unit with say talk skill or something that resolves quickly/instantly.


Speaking of that does anyone have a unit with like 12 speed and then mimic daravon or some other instant status like that? Running around super fast and putting everyone asleep on the enemy team would be funny and pretty effective.


Mad Science. GG. I've never really seen it used effectively and to much benefit. I've personally dropped it on any unit I ran it on. It does have its purpose here though as seen. Great for drawing fire while the rest of your team runs around and kills everyone. Nice comback Redworld!
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Post by: Lakitu673 on June 13, 2015, 12:39:10 pm
Aw Hamburgers. Good game Adante. I figured that a high speed team would give me trouble.
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 13, 2015, 02:27:29 pm
Mudvayne - Barren's got two 12 speed disruptors. I'm in big trouble. If only I put Short Charge instead of MAUP on my Scholar! =/

Great vids so far, excited for more! Thanks Barren, silentkaster, TrueLight, Andante49, and Mudvayne for hosting!
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Post by: StarRacer on June 13, 2015, 04:46:19 pm
i'm deffinitely in for a lot of trouble, i look forward to and am scared of, our upcoming match redworld
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Post by: UniqueTownPortal on June 13, 2015, 05:23:48 pm
I have almost forgotten about FFT Tournament. Thanks for hosting and making it entertaining. It is always a pleasure to see something from ffth on my subscription list ;)
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Post by: Barren on June 13, 2015, 07:00:27 pm
And thank you for tuning in :)

I will upload the next two matches tomorrow before I head back to work then it will be TrueLight's turn.

Any predictions on those matches?
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Post by: Reks on June 13, 2015, 08:05:34 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 13, 2015, 07:00:27 pm
And thank you for tuning in :)

I will upload the next two matches tomorrow before I head back to work then it will be TrueLight's turn.

Any predictions on those matches?


Heroebal has the speed advantage, but some of his units cannot directly injure mine, and his Dancer is vulnerable to Fire.

I can only foresee the match swinging in favor of who forces sandbagging first
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Post by: Corosar on June 13, 2015, 08:35:28 pm
Today's matches were interesting to see.... honestly thought red would have lost after that first round... but there are always surprises good luck to everyone in the next round.... and honestly... i am getting more and more nervous as my turn approaches.... can't wait for more!
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Post by: Shintroy on June 13, 2015, 11:15:18 pm

Reks
Sqr/Nin - 15 PA Ton Squire with 3 Absorbs
Geo/Sam - 22 MA Draw Outs. 170 HP Murasame
Wiz/Smn - Nethers/Loads of Summons. Short Charge
Geo/Whm Support/Anti Sandbag Geo. No strengthen elements.

Hero
Dnc/Mnk -10 SP, 25 PA, Weak vs Fire
Rng/Sqr - Concentrate, Windslash Bow, No damage vs defense ring/wind absorb
Chm/Sam - Mith Gun makes her unlikely to use Draw Out
Mnk/Lnc - Weak vs fire. Choice Band.

Team does damage and has decent range. Two units weak against fire though.

Reks has a huge advantage since he has a unit that will easily OHKO the cursed ring units and his Wizard can't be damaged by that archer. Neither team has Haste/Slow outside of Masamune so this well come down to who whether or not Hero is able to keep Reks on the defensive.
2-0 Reks. Less than 5 minutes of gameplay




Dol
Chm/Med - Has Solution and 3 Elemental Absorb
Mnk/Nin - Gastrafitis +Houkouton
Tim/Whm - No Cures. Sink, Stop, disruption with H2 Wall, Raise, Esuna
Sqr/Pld - P.Blade Grand Cross

Truelight
Thf/Chm - 12 Speed, Evasive, Auto Protect, 2 Hands Item Bot. No steal
Med/Draw - Dspirit, Equip Shield, Ignore Height. Magic Evasion 10 SP
Rng/Nin - Romanda Kagesougi/Execute Great anti sandbag build 10 SP
Tim/Whm - Raise 2, slow 2, Stop 10 SP

I think Truelight will win this one due to the Dol's AI randomly going for solution at times. Faster and better built team.

2-0 Truelight. I don't think the squire will get the chance to do anything with all that damage and range flying around on truelight's side.  Dol has a shot on the small map I believe.



Congrats to Andante for being the first to take it 2-0.

So many 2-1 come backs after losing the first game. Congrats to you too RedWorld.


At first I couldn't wait for the tournament to begin. Now I can't wait for it to be over. I don't have the nerves for this waiting.
If I lose on the first map I'm going on vacation


Oh wait Truelight's fighting Epic. I'm the one fighting Dol... This changes everything.
Dol's team looks like an even match up with mine. I have no ranged damage so I'll be open to all of that Houkouton damage.

Epic vs Truelight's going to be weird. I haven't seen Epic's updated team in action. I don't know about the AI and Iron Will.
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Post by: Malroth on June 13, 2015, 11:39:50 pm
Reks Vs Herobal
Magic attack Up Nether Magic vs Dark Absorb status attack team.    Both teams are very slow with little healing or revival So I'm thinking Of favoring the team that's actually Specced to deal Damage aka Rek's team  Especially since his opponent has no means of healing His own Undead Units.   40s in bravery and Faith aren't going to deal Herobal Any Favors either.
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Post by: Barren on June 14, 2015, 07:45:21 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 5 - Heroebal vs Reks (https://youtu.be/D52xY0aRIbQ)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 6 - TrueLight vs Epic (https://youtu.be/1qNoH4_yi5w)
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Post by: Jumza on June 14, 2015, 11:41:45 am
Excellent matches, guys! Thanks for doing matches Barren! And everyone else for helping organize / also recording!

Epic really held his own for awhile against TrueLight in the first round, but having his team split up in the second round did him no favours.


This was awesome to watch. Good job guys, very entertaining matches :)
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Post by: Shintroy on June 14, 2015, 07:26:37 pm
High Speed/Evasion Status Team vs Earth Absorb(?)
Since both teams rely on single target damage it will come down to who can out status and out range the other team. Since that's the case Truelight will have the advantage.

R1 - Lots of HP Restore being thrown around in this round. Pretty evenly matched while Epic's hasted. Pretty bad that Epic wasn't able to compete with only half of Truelight's team.

R2 - The last match showed how well Truelight's team did when seperated into twos. Not a chance in beating Truelight's team on this map.

GG. Scary stuff by Truelight. Not a bad first team at all by Epic, just got a bad match up against Truelight in R1. GL in Losers


GJ to Herobal taking Round two.


Good stuff Barren. Looking forward to Truelight's uploads Win or Loss.
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Post by: Reks on June 14, 2015, 07:30:18 pm
GG, Heroebal! You had me very nervous there.

... Oh sweet St. Ajora now I have to face Truelight.
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Post by: TrueLight on June 14, 2015, 08:23:09 pm
The battle of speed. Scary to think everyone had at least 10 speed in this match. As for the match itself, my Thief being a tad bit faster than all of Epic's unit proved to be vital. More turns for those good two handed slashes. Surprised I won round 2 with my team being split up. GG Epic.

Next match against Reks should be interesting and fun to watch.


Time for me to get started on my videos.
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Post by: Heroebal on June 14, 2015, 11:55:18 pm
Yeah I did better than I thought there, good match. Looking forward to rest of the match ups.
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 15, 2015, 03:24:48 am
GUYS...

It's that time of the year again... The stars have aligned.

Rouroni Elmdor VS silentkaster - How it Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgR7Kjjw12k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgR7Kjjw12k)

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Post by: Elmdork on June 15, 2015, 07:11:13 am
Quote from: skiploom188 on June 15, 2015, 03:24:48 am
GUYS...

It's that time of the year again... The stars have aligned.

Rouroni Elmdor VS silentkaster - How it Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgR7Kjjw12k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgR7Kjjw12k)




Baaaahahahahahahgadhdbsjhgc!

Omfg that was the best thing ever. Thanks so much for putting that together, it was perfect. You got some real talent!

Winner's bracket is filling up, looking forward to the next rounds. Best of luck DW6561! Everybody's got a shot at taking them, I'm relying on mimes after all, and it just so happens everybody with counter magic is standing between me and the finals.. definitely no bueno (for me at least)
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 15, 2015, 09:45:33 am
Wow thanks so much Rouroni. I'm glad you liked my little present. Hmm still no word from silentkaster. He also has a share in this gift.

After making that video, I've grown quite familiar with your team now lol.

I can't eat well because of all the excitement. Especially now that my match is approaching >_<
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Post by: silentkaster on June 15, 2015, 11:28:33 am
Quote from: skiploom188 on June 15, 2015, 09:45:33 am
Wow thanks so much Rouroni. I'm glad you liked my little present. Hmm still no word from silentkaster. He also has a share in this gift.

After making that video, I've grown quite familiar with your team now lol.

I can't eat well because of all the excitement. Especially now that my match is approaching >_<


Sorry. As most of you know, I recently moved across the country to sunny, warm (and I do mean warm) Florida. I was staying with family but then moved to my new apartment recently. So lots of changes for me and all I've had time to do is watch the videos (listen is more accurate...thankfully for Barren's commentary I can drive my car and listen to the matches and if I need to watch something, I can look when I get to my destination).

Anyway, my poor poor archer. He tried. Cute video!! Though to be honest, Round 2 was so much more epic. I lost that due to his mime stealing the scholar's accessory. A complete one on one was pretty darn awesome. So a video on that would be even more fun to me, though if you don't have time I understand, haha.

Anyway, I believe Mudvayne is taking the first wave of Loser's Bracket videos which, thankfully, helps me out since I don't even have internet hooked up in the apartment yet.

GG Rouroni. Good luck in the rest of your matches.
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 15, 2015, 11:32:51 am
Skiploom: That was absolutely awesome, haha.

Silentkaster: Yes I am doing the first wave of matches for the losers bracket. I actually have the first two matches in the losers bracket recorded and edited, just waiting for round 1 of the winners bracket to finish before I upload em.   :mrgreen:

I have no problem doing the next 4-5 matches as well until you get things set up at your new place. Just let me know when things are set up and running and we'll go from there.
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Post by: Barren on June 15, 2015, 12:22:43 pm
I already PM'd TrueLight about making a playlist for the loser's bracket
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Post by: TrueLight on June 15, 2015, 12:31:34 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 7 - Shintroy vs Dol (https://youtu.be/Ir1QrhMATo4)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 8 - CT5Holy vs Barren (https://youtu.be/_7Tx5Wy-LVE)
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Post by: Barren on June 15, 2015, 01:37:29 pm
I lost... :(. I wished my ninja went for the arm aim instead of the armor break. That would have helped out. Aw well there's the loser's bracket to make up for it. GG CT5Holy
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Post by: dw6561 on June 15, 2015, 02:33:19 pm
These matches were pretty awesome.


That was epic. A very long and arduous match, impressive. Shintroy, I love how your time mage got stopped by your own mime. Also, I noticed that that undead monk kept dying a lot. Schrodinger's Monk, much?



Faith Rod and petrify is a decent combo. I like how the second round ended with the mediator running around, holding her own for a while until everyone was petrified. That mediator was pretty resilient.


I'm kind of worried about how my team will perform, seeing all of the 10+ speed builds. My team has about 10 speed including haste and that might prove to be a disadvantage. Especially with my squishy Scholar.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 15, 2015, 03:11:03 pm
Status Mime vs Physical Status/Disruption team.

R1 - Too many Houkoutons for my team to handle. Definitely got out RNG'd here with sleep. Not as bad as it could've been though. The main problem was my chemist going forward a bit too far to get targeted and the time mage not using Esuna. Very similar teams in terms of strategy.

R2 - Great opening with double sleep. I had momentum from then on due to the monk not going down.

R3 - Scary round here. The monk went down early and then the Mime goes solo against three of Dol's units. Thank the RNG and Mime gods for the mime winning the 1v3 and the Monk getting up sooner than later. I love the set play by the AI at the end. I just hope they crystallize more units in later games.

GG.


High Speed Air Absorb vs OHKO
Barren definitely has the speed advantage due to having haste and two 12 speed units. If Barren's able to get those Tornadoes off I don't think Holy will be able to come back due to the status piling on.

R1 - Great display of how to deal with a high speed team. Haven't seen sinkhole used this effectively in a long time. Scary stuff.

R2 - The mediator doesn't have refute? RIP Ninja and Scholar.

GG. Using sinkhole to waste turns while the scholar and samurai OHKOs other units. Talk about turn advantage.


I'm surprised there aren't that many Haste 2, Slow 2 teams.

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Post by: Kurosabes on June 15, 2015, 04:18:54 pm
From what I've observed, Maiden's Kiss is the only viable way to remove the Sleep status. AI doesn't tend to use Esuna to remove Sleep, I'm guessing because of its CT (even with Short Charge). Refute doesn't work because Sleep = Talk Skill immunity. Unfortunately your Item user was the one put to Sleep here.
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Post by: Malroth on June 15, 2015, 05:24:15 pm
Balance is also a pretty good Sleep cure.
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Post by: reinoe on June 15, 2015, 05:35:00 pm
Quote from: White Knight Wiegraf on June 15, 2015, 04:18:54 pm
From what I've observed, Maiden's Kiss is the only viable way to remove the Sleep status. AI doesn't tend to use Esuna to remove Sleep, I'm guessing because of its CT (even with Short Charge). Refute doesn't work because Sleep = Talk Skill immunity. Unfortunately your Item user was the one put to Sleep here.


The computer is also a fan of using "jump" to wake up sleeping allies.
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Post by: Zotis on June 15, 2015, 06:12:33 pm
A bit drawn out.  Shintroy, your team's greatest weakness I think is it's inability to close the match.


The most intense match so far.  I'm a little surprised that CT5Holy took it so decisively.  I'm sure you'll plow through the underworld Barren.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 15, 2015, 08:00:18 pm
The first thing I learned about arena is actually the AI's love for using jump to wake up sleeping units. It's funny because sometimes it's better to be dead than asleep.

I definitely remember forgetting refute not working on sleeping units. Pretty sure I forgot this several times already.


Similar team, but yours is way more scarier. Monk shouldn't be allowed to be immune to sleep. Dirtiest unit in the tournament. I am in so much trouble. Either way may the better mime win.

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Post by: reinoe on June 15, 2015, 08:23:52 pm
Quote from: Shintroy on June 15, 2015, 08:00:18 pm

Similar team, but yours is way more scarier. Monk shouldn't be allowed to be immune to sleep. Dirtiest unit in the tournament. I am in so much trouble. Either way may the better mime win.



Nah you've got nothing to fear.  My computer went down before I had a chance to make som much needed corrections to my team.  If you look carefully you'll see that my Squire is severely unrefined and my monk didn't get her gender updated and is the only unit that can restore HP.  My mime is also unrefined too with wrong armor and accessory. Basically my team is three unfinished units.  my Ninja is going to have to carry my whole team.

But if I win I'll say it was all part of my master plan.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 15, 2015, 09:43:33 pm
Quote from: reinoe on June 15, 2015, 08:23:52 pm
Nah you've got nothing to fear.  My computer went down before I had a chance to make som much needed corrections to my team.  If you look carefully you'll see that my Squire is severely unrefined and my monk didn't get her gender updated and is the only unit that can restore HP.  My mime is also unrefined too with wrong armor and accessory. Basically my team is three unfinished units.  my Ninja is going to have to carry my whole team.

But if I win I'll say it was all part of my master plan.



It gets worse? It already looks like a bad match up for me. Non RNG based teams are so scary. Chances I'll avoid arm aim? Zero. Chances I won't get procced for sleep or don't act? Zero. Either way we're going to have three different mime teams in round two and at least one in round three.


Ya man. I based the team off of my team "MyMe" which is based off of S3's meta. I tried the team with a blaze gun chemist, but it didn't work out too well. The 4 range makes the chemist put himself in harms way, and at the same time, waste turns healing the Monk.

I think reinoe and Rouroni's damage potential with mime in this tournament can make up my team's lack of damage.
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Post by: Zotis on June 15, 2015, 11:04:50 pm
You just don't have enough damage output.  Stop, Sleep, don't act, and slow are all good, but then you need to do something to them while they're disabled, not just keep throwing on more status.  I like to think of it how I used to build decks for Magic the Gathering before the metagame got ruined by newer editions.  You have to think of a win condition.  As it is, your team stalls with status, and your Monk gradually picks people off, but even he has a tendency to get distracted.  You also have to keep in mind that the AI prioritises healing, so if your main damage dealer is also acting support with Chakra/Stigma Magic/Revive, then he will not always prioritise damage.  I think you'll get into trouble when you face teams that have high damage output and/or resilience.
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Post by: TrueLight on June 15, 2015, 11:13:44 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 9 - Malroth vs White Knight Wiegraf (https://youtu.be/z0w2VOaMCI8)
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Post by: Shintroy on June 16, 2015, 12:28:29 am
Summon/Ice Absorb Mime vs Balanced Mime
Money's on Malroth. I don't know about the equip weapon on mime or if WKW's mime will be able to mimic much.

R1 - Malroth definitely had the advantage on the map based off teams. Somehow the dancer was able to near solo the entire team with gastrophetes and houkouton. Not looking good for Malroth if the team couldn't pile on damage on that map.

R2 - Great opener and followup by Malroth. WKW's Mime got interupted when the geomancer chose to axe attack. Ended up using charge +20.

R3 - Another great opener by Malroth with the mimic Slow 2 on an already slow team. Too much damage for WKW to fight back. There wasn't much the mime could do on WKW's team.

GG. I like the idea of using Lich with Mime since it deals a set amount of damage. Maybe I'm just too spoiled with Quake, Bahamut, and Zodiac spam to appreciate it. Good luck up against CT5Holy. Looking foward to seeing some faith shananigans.


Yeah the team definitely doesn't have high damage output, but it makes up for it in stalling and crystallizing downed units.

The monk helping out with status and chakra is intended. I just want to have complete control over the other team and slowly, but surely take out units one by one.

I have no worries against most team types. Only air absorb and heavy AOE teams scare me.
I had a 13% chance of winning a set against barren. Even less if you don't count the last round which it rarely went to.


Three videos in one day? Can't wait for that doom train. silentkaster's going to pull a DomieV I can just taste it.
I hope Barren and silentkaster aren't on the same side of the losers bracket. The only way to avoid them is not to lose. So scary.


These seeded unseen horrors worry me.
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I do sometimes wish I went with a less RNG based team. My current MA boosting team would've done much better, but would've lost to a earth or lightning absorb team.
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: CT5Holy on June 16, 2015, 01:40:02 am

Wow, got super lucky no Arm Aim in R2 / managed to minimize status nastiness in general. My big fear was the speedy units getting a 2nd turn before Holy / Petrify could go off...

Anyways, gg! You'll go far in loser's bracket, I'm sure.



Up against Malroth, eh? Hmm. I feel like it'll be a race between his Liches (and possibly Rime Bolt) vs Petrify/Holy - we're each super vulnerable to the other's strategy...
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 16, 2015, 02:24:04 am

My Dancer just got incredibly lucky in R1, bypassing all these talks from the Mime. I'm not sure why the Time Mages weren't paying attention to her either when she is clearly the biggest threat. Because hitting 2 units is better than one, I guess? As for the other two rounds, Malroth has emphasized the difference of speed teams can have. I really don't think Mime managing his her Raise in R2 would have made a difference. I guess my Geo needs some faster summon to avoid derpy situations like attacking with her axe. GG Malroth

I had a lot to say and had it all typed up, but I feel it wouldn't be a wise thing to post this. Instead, I'll just say to myself... Blame yourself or God.
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Post by: Malroth on June 16, 2015, 03:25:09 am
Quake and Bahamut Spam are a much better option on High MA units but if you're running summon magic on a unit with less than 10 MA for some insane reason (15 effective speed units for example) Lich is a more reliable damage choice.

To Ct5 Holy
Yes My team is vunerable to your stratagey, its vunerable to Every stratagey, It's not a sane, rational team with contingiencies sustainability  or defenses.
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Post by: Corosar on June 16, 2015, 06:46:13 am
Oh god my match is next... i am not gonna be able to sleep well tonight .... too nervous of this match coming up... i feel like i am gonna lose so badly...
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 16, 2015, 07:16:21 am
I feel the same way too. But me I can sleep just fine but my eating is affected! I can't eat well because of excitement and fear at the same time it's mixing up my stomach acids WAHHHHH.

Corosar, let's make this match the one we won't forget :)
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Post by: Elmdork on June 16, 2015, 09:32:05 am
so many matches to comment on...why I so laaaazy  :cry:

Great video quality and choice of audio as usual, TL!

I'm a fan of these two designers. I noticed both them and I took a similar approach to building a tourney team. Wkw went with his tried, tested and true, knowing many teams would lack that kind of refinement. Malroth on the other hand made a completely irrational team, which is brilliant because most people are sane, rational people and will obviously counter build what is sane and rational. Ain't nobody prepared for dat shit. Malroth and I seem to approach situations similarly, but our executions are always like polar opposite. I'd like to see a match between our teams when all is said and done, but by the looks of things the winners bracket is filling up with mimes, so I may get my wish sooner than expected..

..if counter magic doesn't toast my ass.


Daaaaaamn. I honestly thought barren was all over that round one, but sinkholes happened followed by lots of not getting quaked, and suddenly holies go off everywhere and game over. Nice to see some straight up oracles using some straight up petrify. Even better to see it CLUTCHING TOURNEY GAMES! I love it, but seriously what the hell XD


Woo mimes on top!

They called me retarded for bringing a magic atk up mime to a tourney. Know what I told em?

Retarded like a fox.

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Post by: Mudvayne on June 16, 2015, 11:41:17 am
Does anyone have any music suggestions for me?
I have no music on my computer at all and I feel like I should include some backround music over my shitty commentary. Everyone else seems to have music in their tourney videos so I don't wanna be the only one without music and forcing you to listen to my bad commentary or mute it and listen to your own music.

Also, looking back over my team I see so many errors that I forgot to fix. I'd make changes to 3 out of the 4 units on my team. Items, R/S/M, and abilities. Makes me super nervous.
I don't expect to make it very far with the way the team looks currently. I have an updated version of the team on a text file at home but I guess I forgot to send it into Barren before the deadline  :oops:
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Post by: TrueLight on June 16, 2015, 12:10:26 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 10 - Corosar vs skiploom188 (https://youtu.be/ulQoJar8xVs)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 11 - Zotis vs Anima Zero (http://youtu.be/QXBBGxGvEZM)
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Post by: Anima Zero on June 16, 2015, 12:35:27 pm

Heh, that was a bit of a slaughter.  Couldn't really get anything done when I was busy removing status effects while the enemy Wizard basically picked off targets one by one with Flare most of the time.  Perhaps I'll fare better when the loser's bracket comes around. GG Zotis!

As for me...my tickets for the Doomtrain are ready to go.  Gonna make myself comfy there.
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 16, 2015, 12:38:48 pm
I feared that Petrify. Should've placed Soft instead. Or Refute on Someone. Great job Corosar, fight on!

It's a bummer for me. The bright side? I can eat right again! Whoo!

Oh wait there's still a loser's bracket. Then... I'll just say, this won't be my last.


I guess team building ain't my thing...
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Post by: dw6561 on June 16, 2015, 02:33:48 pm

Congratulations, Corosar! That was pretty interesting. Skiploom188, you should cheer up a little. I know it's a little disappointing, but if you're truly invested I'm sure you can get better at it.

Round 1: It took a couple turns for the teams to engage each other so those ranged attacks might have helped quite a bit. That petrify on Skiploom188's samurai and the bard dying really set them back, and afterwards they just didn't have the sandbagging to bring themselves back to full power.

Round 2: It was funny to see the Samurai supposedly fly through the wall only to get killed by a fire spell later. Are units actually supposed to be able to go back there?



It seems like Anima Zero's team was being overwhelmed by statuses. The monk dying didn't help things, and although the chemist is evasive and can heal status as well, she could only heal one at a time. At any rate, good job Zotis and best of luck to Anima Zero in the loser's bracket.
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Post by: DARKANGELUXZ on June 16, 2015, 02:52:42 pm
 :cry:
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 16, 2015, 03:28:34 pm
Quote from: TrueLight on June 16, 2015, 12:10:26 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 10 - Corosar vs skiploom188 (https://youtu.be/ulQoJar8xVs)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 11 - Zotis vs Anima Zero (http://youtu.be/QXBBGxGvEZM)


god i was having a heart attack during the whole thing scared me senseless in round 2 that is for sure... thought i would not recover for some reason... but in my eyes i barely hung on there... sorry skiploom... i hope you have better luck in the losers bracket GG my friend GG
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 16, 2015, 06:15:33 pm

Almost anything composed by Yuki Kajiura.


If you want specifics:
a song of storm and fire
aikoi
catastrophe
swordland
fight!


Just to name a few.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 16, 2015, 07:10:44 pm
Casters vs All Around team
Zotis has the range advantage deifnitely, but Anima Zero has a better looking team abilities/spells aside. I'll go with the Faith Rod Oracle in this match up.

R1 - Completely dominated. Anima's units couldn't get close enough to do any damage. OHKO Flare and Demi 2 from both sides made it impossible for Anima to gain any momentum. Frog and Petrify was thrown in just to keep turn advantage. Really good round for Zotis.

R2 - Great opener for Zotis. Never seen Don't Move cripple a team so badly. Sinkhole, Flare and Petrify combos were so good.

GG. Anima's team got destroyed by White Robe. A bit on the slow side as well. I don't think the Time Mage had Haste or Slow 2.


Balanced Team vs Tanky team.

Outmatched here. There was no way for the paladins to deal damage due to them having item and being forced to support.

GG. Didn't expect to see a Hybrid Male samurai in this tournament.


Good stuff. One match to go until R2. Pretty excited for the next match since it's ice against water.
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Post by: Corosar on June 16, 2015, 07:32:36 pm
Quote from: Shintroy on June 16, 2015, 07:10:44 pm
Balanced Team vs Tanky team.

Outmatched here. There was no way for the paladins to deal damage due to them having item and being forced to support.

GG. Didn't expect to see a Hybrid Male samurai in this tournament.


Good stuff. One match to go until R2. Pretty excited for the next match since it's ice against water.

seriously i was not expecting to see so many people preaching about how strange it is to see my samurai and either how much they do or how unlikely it was to see them... i was just kinda trying to make a character work ^~^
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Post by: reinoe on June 16, 2015, 08:01:27 pm
Quote from: TrueLight on June 16, 2015, 12:10:26 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 10 - Corosar vs skiploom188 (https://youtu.be/ulQoJar8xVs)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 11 - Zotis vs Anima Zero (http://youtu.be/QXBBGxGvEZM)

I would like to congratulate corosar on making a unit that used ether on itself.  That paladin used hi-ether at 11:52.  The AI will use Carbune or angel song reliably, but I don't think I've ever seen a unit use any ether on itself.  I've seen units do nothing instead of using ether on itself.
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Post by: Corosar on June 16, 2015, 08:22:06 pm
Quote from: reinoe on June 16, 2015, 08:01:27 pm
I would like to congratulate corosar on making a unit that used ether on itself.  That paladin used hi-ether at 11:52.  The AI will use Carbune or angel song reliably, but I don't think I've ever seen a unit use any ether on itself.  I've seen units do nothing instead of using ether on itself.


R....r..really? i can't stop him from using it XD i planned him to use it on others more than himself originally... but he just kept using it on himself instead heh!
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Post by: TrueLight on June 16, 2015, 08:52:20 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 12 - VireBlaze vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/G_IZm0F2ckY)
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 16, 2015, 09:22:46 pm
Quote from: TrueLight on June 16, 2015, 08:52:20 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 12 - VireBlaze vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/G_IZm0F2ckY)

damn that first round looked either way.... though that second round.... upsetting sorry VB good luck in the doom train...
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 16, 2015, 10:10:44 pm
2 88% missed raised 2s in r1 made for a long drawn out match without my archer. I swear my ninja is supposed to have move-mp up and not move-hp up... that might have been an honest typo because I know I switched it around. Oh well. I also put heavens cloud on the samurai incase she ran out of mp but I think that was in a later edit that I never sent to Barren. Round 2 went much smoother. GG.

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Post by: Shintroy on June 17, 2015, 12:26:14 am
Quote from: TrueLight on June 16, 2015, 08:52:20 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 12 - VireBlaze vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/G_IZm0F2ckY)


Water Absorb vs Ice Absorb
Very similar teams. Mudvayne has status and speed advantage, but Vireblaze has more power and range. This will definitely go to the last game

R1 - Both teams have good mobility so the chokepoint won't affect either teams badly. Never seen two casters trade spells for the exact same amount..... Suddenly weapon break. It's a good thing that Ninja doesn't rely on weapons for anything other than +2 PA. Wow Mudvayne's units have NO MP restoration? and STILL won against three melee units?

R2 - Fire 2, Sleep, GG.

Intense first round. Probably a bad idea to have two squires that have the same role in an absorb team. Makes it hard to comeback when you're down


Can't wait for R2 and Losers R1. Can't wait to see some Bahamut Mimicry.
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Post by: Reks on June 17, 2015, 03:40:10 am
Quote from: Shintroy on June 17, 2015, 12:26:14 am
Water Absorb vs Ice Absorb
Very similar teams. Mudvayne has status and speed advantage, but Vireblaze has more power and range. This will definitely go to the last game

R1 - Both teams have good mobility so the chokepoint won't affect either teams badly. Never seen two casters trade spells for the exact same amount..... Suddenly weapon break. It's a good thing that Ninja doesn't rely on weapons for anything other than +2 PA. Wow Mudvayne's units have NO MP restoration? and STILL won against three melee units?

R2 - Fire 2, Sleep, GG.

Intense first round. Probably a bad idea to have two squires that have the same role in an absorb team. Makes it hard to comeback when you're down


Can't wait for R2 and Losers R1. Can't wait to see some Bahamut Mimicry.


How you came to think the Squires have the same role when one is an Item bot and the other, a Grand Cross spammer with a smidgen of support.

And yes, he won from no MP restoration because VB's weapons were broken and MV's team was simply faster with an Arm Aim-happy Ninja. I personally think that VB could have done far better had his units not separated and had Counter Magic activated more often.

But such is the AI and RNG.

Nevertheless, still a good match and GG to the both of you.
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 17, 2015, 10:28:04 am
The only reason I'm not too mad that I gave the ninja move-hp up instead of move-mp up is simply because he will spam arm aim every time when out of MP, or break their equipment. This can be good because he can normally out-speed slower units and can keep 2 or 3 units disabled entirely by him self assuming they are not immune to dont act. Kagesougi would probably be more helpful since it's damage as well as status, but strictly dont act with no damage is still pretty effective. Allows my other units to do whatever is needed while my ninja runs around dont acting everything in sight. I can't believe I forgot MP restoration entirely though on the team, throughout all my testing I've never had them run out of MP, ever. Absorb MP normally goes off often enough to keep them supplied with MP and all the matches I run this team against are usually over in <5 minutes. My team wants to win and it wants to win quickly. A stall/late game oriented team will probably be a huge problem for me.


When I get home I'm going to start uploading some of the losers bracket matches. I have two edited and recorded but with no music. I'm gonna upload those two as-is because I have some time today to record more matches and those will have music in them. You guys are just gonna have to bare with me on the first two matches not having music since I'm too lazy and still haven't actually downloaded any tracks yet :oops:
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Post by: Barren on June 17, 2015, 02:24:06 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 13 - dw6561 vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/BeNcj3D4IGA)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 14 - fattyzilla vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/t22HjxgmU3s)
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Jumza on June 17, 2015, 03:02:40 pm
Thanks for the matches guys :)

Mudvayne, any music should be fine. Video Game music especially. No worries if a few matches are without it.

Also, I just realized that my next match will be against Malroth or CT5. I am so out of this tournament when that happens :P
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: dw6561 on June 17, 2015, 03:10:12 pm

Oh my god that was epic. I actually won? Rouroni really had me going there for a second during round two. My priest was tankier than I thought with all that counter magic action. I don't think I would have done it without counter magic, but it was ironically a last minute addition to my team setup. And like Barren commentated, I don't think I can stand up against massive status effects. It's funny, because while making my team and finding out my priest was 200 JP over the cap, I said "let's just throw away esuna, it'll be okay".
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Corosar on June 17, 2015, 03:18:14 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 17, 2015, 02:24:06 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 13 - dw6561 vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/BeNcj3D4IGA)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 14 - fattyzilla vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/t22HjxgmU3s)


dw vs rouroni
19 DWAAGGGONNNSS!~~~ hard hitting... but ultimately dw won... congrats and what an awesome game fun to watch!

fatty vs andante
damn that RNG is bad this round for Fatty... got to love randomness... still a good match and good luck in the coming matches!
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 17, 2015, 03:24:04 pm
You have a very good chance against me Jumza, since you have tons of M-Ev.

Awesome matches so far! Can't wait for more~
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Elmdork on June 17, 2015, 05:06:40 pm
Great choice of music, barren!

Nuuuuuu! It's too late, She's gone too far. She lost the sun, She's come undone. I was more worried about that priest than even Silentkaster's scholar. Being able to take an additional attack really makes her a larger threat, and I didn't  prepare for counter magic at all.  Well, tis' the way of the universe, unfortunately all I got were matches against counter magic teams so they haven't really shown what they can do, but maybe my luck will improve in the underworld. Didn't help that they decided to be a bit derpy today, but don't let that take from your victory, DW! You certainly earned it, GG!

... dear god if I have to fight silentkaster again..
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 17, 2015, 08:19:58 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #1: Fanatic vs Lakitu673 (http://youtu.be/4ljfBG5exP8)

Expect more videos soon  :D


Also, quick note... My samurai DOES have heavens cloud. Barren, re-check my last pm to you with my team submission. The samurai does indeed have heavens cloud but it is not included in the version posted here in the thread. I was wondering why she wasnt using it during my match.. and that's because she's listed here as not having it but in the last PM I sent to you with my team info, she does indeed have heavens cloud (and still has 100 jp leftover, so this shouldn't have been a JP cap issue).
Title: Re: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ FFT Arena♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ AI Tournament Season 4 ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Post by: Shintroy on June 17, 2015, 08:21:13 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 17, 2015, 02:24:06 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 13 - dw6561 vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/BeNcj3D4IGA)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 14 - fattyzilla vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/t22HjxgmU3s)


Wind Absorb vs Summon Mime
Counter Magic on the 16 effective MA priest will definitely be a problem for Rouroni's strategy.

R1 - Pretty even round. Counter Magic too strong. Pretty sad about the samurai choosing not to revive her team at the end there. The Monk must have been the faster unit.

R2 - Maps like these make me go for Zodiac over Bahamut on mimic summon teams. You can't argue with Bahamut's range and damage though. Surprised Rourouni came through on this map

R3 - Quick round due to Counter Magic. No coming back without the mimes.

GG. Still good to know there will be at least one mime in R3.


Physical Team vs Balanced High SP team.
Fattyzilla's units don't really have the MP to do much and the chemist isn't complete so I'm betting on Andante to take this.

R1 - Boring match due to the match. fatty was outmatched for the majority of the match, but due to the map and his good sandbagging it took way longer than it should've.

R2 - Shoutouts to Hyrule Temple and Melee. Andante's team swarmed fatty's team on another choke point map. This match made me interested in seeing an all float team on some crazy maps like the volcano

GG. Too bad about the maps though.


Heaven or Hell, good luck. Both brackets are looking stacked. There's no free wins anywhere.
I didn't sign up for this.


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Strong teams, but I'm betting on Lakitu since his team has more sources of damage. I do like the physical/ton archers though. Haven't seen one of those in a while. Sounds like a really good idea since you can have a multi elemental physical unit. Definitely going to look at that build.

R1 - Wow.

R2 - Good map for a straight forward team. Pretty unlucky the casters got separated from the melee units.

R3 - Close round at the start bout AoE against no aoe or status usually doesn't end well.

GG.

Everyone's surprised about the lack of quake and tornado I'm sure. I guess everyone thought it would be a smart choice to not use spells the most likely to defend against.
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Post by: Barren on June 17, 2015, 09:05:47 pm
Quote from: Mudvayne on June 17, 2015, 08:19:58 pm


Also, quick note... My samurai DOES have heavens cloud. Barren, re-check my last pm to you with my team submission. The samurai does indeed have heavens cloud but it is not included in the version posted here in the thread. I was wondering why she wasnt using it during my match.. and that's because she's listed here as not having it but in the last PM I sent to you with my team info, she does indeed have heavens cloud (and still has 100 jp leftover, so this shouldn't have been a JP cap issue).


Fixed
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 17, 2015, 09:18:30 pm
So this shitty software I'm using to edit matches with (movie maker) won't allow me to adjust the volume of the music I'm importing. In the settings, whether the volume for the music turned up all the way, or turned down all the way to where it should almost be muted, it still plays at exactly the same volume. Although there is no way to tell that within the software because when you play back the clip it doesn't play the music OR my commentary. So I have to change everythning, save re-save the clip (which takes a few minutes each time to convert or whatever the hell its doing) and then open it in widows media player and play it back. Only to find out that nothing it different. No matter how I change the settings and save and replay, the music volume is always the same. Entirely over my commentary making it useless since you can't hear it. I've been messing with it for a good 45 minutes now changing the volume of the commentary, putting emphasis on the commentary and off of the music, muting the music entirely (which doesn't even work, it still plays at the same volume.........), everything. It's either commentary or music. This is frustrating beyond belief.
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 17, 2015, 09:35:46 pm
Just go with commentary. People can fill in music for themselves if they want it.
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Post by: Barren on June 17, 2015, 09:42:55 pm
What recording software are you using?
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 17, 2015, 10:34:39 pm
Hypercam 2
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Post by: Barren on June 17, 2015, 10:45:45 pm
Hyper Cam 2 I'll be honest with you isn't really the best thing to use. If you're having these problems its probably because of the codec the program uses to render your videos. Which also means that the video comes out as a large file and windows movie maker just can't open a file that it doesn't support. I've been reading forums that say Hyper Cam 2 isn't very good. You can try fraps or cam studio since I believe both of them are free to download. There's also Virtual Dub which is another good software

Personally if you are willing to spend $300 then go get Camtasia Studio. Its a very efficient recording software that is easy to use and you can set your videos to be uncompress then you compress them. You can even render them in HD.
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Post by: Zotis on June 17, 2015, 11:59:08 pm
I use Open Broadcaster Software, I find it works well for me.
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 18, 2015, 09:54:36 am
I have no problems with my recording software. Hypercam isn't the best but I have no issues recording videos and commentary with it. The movie editing program I'm using (Movie Maker) is what was causing the issues. I'll likely just download some different movie editing software today and play around with it after work.

I have no other use for Camtasia besides recording matches for here. To be honest, I wouldn't consider buying the program if it was $30, so... I appreciate the suggestion though, I'm just a cheap bastard haha.
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Post by: Barren on June 18, 2015, 10:59:53 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 15 - StarRacer vs RedWorld (https://youtu.be/aVrNZSGYcVs)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 16 - Reks vs TrueLight (https://youtu.be/E19UNiiuCY0)
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Post by: Elmdork on June 18, 2015, 12:56:38 pm
That has to be the most hilarious game as of yet. No foolin' s got their work cut out for them if they're gonna top that. D..did that priest seriously comet herself? Wow red world, that was fantastic. You're my new pick for the winner of the season!

Edit: no, didn't comet herself :'(

Still, double frog.


Woooooooooah shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt!

Reks, what in the sweet hell did you feed them? It's like you took your classic balanced units and added the Otabo sadist chip. I swear they're enjoying it.

and so, the underworld filled with the most vile of demons. Whatever manages to get out of there will truly be a monster.
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 18, 2015, 01:39:27 pm
Mudvayne, I use VSDC Video Editor for editing, it will run most codecs no problem. It's not as simple as MovieMaker but it didn't take me too long to figure things out.


On an unrelated note, how exactly do you calculate Suiton/Fuuton/Meiton damage? I come up with over a million damage, clearly something is wrong with the formula in the Master Guide.
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Post by: Malroth on June 18, 2015, 01:55:10 pm
((145-MyFaith)*(145-TheirFaith)/10000) *PA*9

Best Reliable Case Scenario. 40 faith  18PA Attack Up Dancer with 108 Gems vs 40 Faith Target Neutral Compat.

145-40=105
105*105 =11025
11025/10000= 1.1025
1.1025(Faith Modifier)*18(pa)*9(attack stregnth)*1.3(Attack UP)*1.2(Elemental Strenghen)=278.63 which is rounded down to 278 damage
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 18, 2015, 02:06:17 pm
Thanks for the clarification Malroth :)  So it was just missing the division by 10000 part. I should have figured that long ago.
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Post by: Corosar on June 18, 2015, 05:20:02 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 18, 2015, 10:59:53 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 15 - StarRacer vs RedWorld (https://youtu.be/aVrNZSGYcVs)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 16 - Reks vs TrueLight (https://youtu.be/E19UNiiuCY0)


D...d....damn that.... double frog.... i... i just don't know what to say about that honestly....




t..... that didn't go how me and reks thought it would.... damn..... what a match.... oh god... if i win my match... i have to face reks... oh boy....

*edit* stupid me... i was way off.... god i am tired today XD no no i don't have to face reks for awhile... still... i am getting nervous as the big teams are lining up for my head!
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Post by: Zotis on June 18, 2015, 05:29:45 pm
I would say, for in the future, what these tournaments really need is some form of seating.  Like preliminary pools or something.
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Post by: Lakitu673 on June 18, 2015, 07:45:14 pm
Quote from: Zotis on June 18, 2015, 05:29:45 pm
I would say, for in the future, what these tournaments really need is some form of seating.  Like preliminary pools or something.


I was thinking about this too. Maybe we can incorporate an Elo rating system similar to what they do in chess
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Post by: Barren on June 18, 2015, 08:18:56 pm
I'm not familiar with the rules of chess but maybe we can do some kind of unique gimmick tournament. My only concern would be that if its too complicated for everyone to understand
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Post by: TrueLight on June 18, 2015, 08:38:09 pm
Ouch. Just got completely slaughtered by the AOE damage. Mediator didn't dodge enough and perfectly timed Esunas from that Geomancer did not help me. Also, TWO missed Raise 2s in a row? Thanks RNG. GG Reks.

Time to see how I do in the Loser's Bracket.
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Post by: Zotis on June 18, 2015, 09:34:25 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 18, 2015, 08:18:56 pm
I'm not familiar with the rules of chess but maybe we can do some kind of unique gimmick tournament. My only concern would be that if its too complicated for everyone to understand
You don't need a preliminary tournament.  Like in FIFA or fighting game tournaments, everyone is divided into small groups called "pools."  Each person plays everyone else in their pool and the people with the most wins move into the tournament bracket while the others get eliminated.  The tournament organizer can spread out the familiar top players so that pools are not too stacked.  There are big advantages to having pools.  Less skilled players who will likely get eliminated early in the bracket can actually get more than just two games, making it more fun for them.  Seating sets the tournament up so that the most skilled players make it further and meet up closer to the end of the tournament, so the top 8 rounds are more intense instead of having top players knock each other out early, or a new player having to face a top player in the first round of loosers.  Those can be a bit discouraging.  Overall it balances everything more for both the newer players and the veterans, and it makes for a more entertaining.

I think it could be something worth considering in the future.  I play Super Smash Bros. Melee competitively and that's the way they do it.  You and CT5Holy facing each other so early is pretty rough because you're both such veterans and obviously among the best players here.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 18, 2015, 09:58:20 pm
ranged/magic team vs high speed status
Pretty even looking match up. Truelight's team is more on the RNG side though. I definitely want to see Reks's squire go far so I'm betting on AoE taking it.

R1 - Pretty scary round. Truelight couldn't deal enough damage or land enough status to gain momentum. Either a well timed Esuna or a horribly timed Mimic Daravon by the AI. That Geo/Whm is definitely the MVP of the round either way.

R2 - Two hit KOs with chiri and draw out followed by two missed Raise 2s? Quick round for Reks.

GG.  Not an upset in my book. Gotta love that Squire and Geo/Whm.


Free Win


I'm definitely with Zotis on pools. We had a lot of last minute new players enter the tournament and random bracket seeding with a lot of early upsets. With pools there would've still been some upsets sure, but there wouldn't have been as many mismatches due to there being a near equal amount of new and veteran players. We could've done pools of four players with a 2:2 ratio of veteran and new players. Veterans could've been players that have entered an Arena tournament in the past, while new players could've been players that haven't been in a tournament before. It's too late for it now, but for the next tournament, next year maybe, pools would be the better choice then completely random brackets.

Zotis you compete in melee tournaments? Pretty cool. I used to compete in melee between 05-07, brawl for the first two years, and I play top end Street Fighter 4 players online too. I was the best Dudley before Smug took over. He's so good.
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Post by: Zotis on June 18, 2015, 10:59:09 pm
Quote from: Shintroy on June 18, 2015, 09:58:20 pmZotis you compete in melee tournaments? Pretty cool. I used to compete in melee between 05-07, brawl for the first two years, and I play top end Street Fighter 4 players online too. I was the best Dudley before Smug took over. He's so good.


Melee is still going strong, in fact the community is growing.  A lot has changed since 07 though.  The metagame is pretty nutz.  I've been playing for about 8 months and I've been to over a dozen tournaments.  Toronto has the biggest scene in Canada and the top 5 Canadian players, so I get a good amount of practice.

I wish we could get tournaments going a bit more frequently for Tactics.  It's hard to stay invested when tournaments are only once a year.  I'm tempted to start recording again.  Tactics has always been my favorite RPG.
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Post by: silentkaster on June 18, 2015, 11:20:53 pm
Quote from: Zotis on June 18, 2015, 09:34:25 pm
You don't need a preliminary tournament.  Like in FIFA or fighting game tournaments, everyone is divided into small groups called "pools."  Each person plays everyone else in their pool and the people with the most wins move into the tournament bracket while the others get eliminated.  The tournament organizer can spread out the familiar top players so that pools are not too stacked.  There are big advantages to having pools.  Less skilled players who will likely get eliminated early in the bracket can actually get more than just two games, making it more fun for them.  Seating sets the tournament up so that the most skilled players make it further and meet up closer to the end of the tournament, so the top 8 rounds are more intense instead of having top players knock each other out early, or a new player having to face a top player in the first round of loosers.  Those can be a bit discouraging.  Overall it balances everything more for both the newer players and the veterans, and it makes for a more entertaining.

I think it could be something worth considering in the future.  I play Super Smash Bros. Melee competitively and that's the way they do it.  You and CT5Holy facing each other so early is pretty rough because you're both such veterans and obviously among the best players here.


Yes, or even have a point system. Like, this year we already have an elimination and two teams haven't even been in action yet. A single or double elimination I believe is ideal for more competitive games whereas round robin and point systems give more flexibility and allow things like RNG and map selection to be evened out.

Like for example, my days are numbered since my next opponent will be either Mudvayne or Zotis and yeah...both are very strong opponents. But with points, you could lose a match or two and still have a shot at winning or placing high in the tournament.

Speaking of which, Barren or TrueLight, please be on standby if Mudvayne does not win for that particular match. Thanks :)
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Post by: Jumza on June 18, 2015, 11:39:49 pm
We did pools for the SSC tournament, didn't we? That worked pretty well (though I didn't make it out of my pool :( )
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 19, 2015, 12:52:12 am
I don't really know how all these methods are done, but I'll propose something of my own:

QuoteEach participant starts at 0 points. A set number of rounds are prepared depending on the amount of participants. After each round, participants will be moved up or down in the rankings and face either a weaker or stronger opponent, in order to have a chance of climbing back up. At the end of the rounds, the top XX% will face off in a single-elimination bracket.

Decisive win (2-0): +3
Win (2-1): +2
Loss (1-2): +1
Decisive loss (0-2): +0


It really depends how long the organisers would want this to go on for. For example, The top XX% could be top 25%, 50% or a set number like 8.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 19, 2015, 02:55:28 am
Quote from: Zotis on June 18, 2015, 10:59:09 pm
Melee is still going strong, in fact the community is growing.  A lot has changed since 07 though.  The metagame is pretty nutz.  I've been playing for about 8 months and I've been to over a dozen tournaments.  Toronto has the biggest scene in Canada and the top 5 Canadian players, so I get a good amount of practice.

I wish we could get tournaments going a bit more frequently for Tactics.  It's hard to stay invested when tournaments are only once a year.  I'm tempted to start recording again.  Tactics has always been my favorite RPG.


All I'm saying is. I hope Leffen takes EVO. I've been subbed to just about every top end melee channel for a couple of years now. Less than a month to go until EVO mate. I can't wait.

Quote from: White Knight Wiegraf on June 19, 2015, 12:52:12 am
I don't really know how all these methods are done, but I'll propose something of my own:

It really depends how long the organisers would want this to go on for. For example, The top XX% could be top 25%, 50% or a set number like 8.


Pools are basically miniature tournaments before the main bracket where only the top two make it out into the tournament bracket (winners and losers). Tournament Organizers will usually do things like not have too many people from the same region in the same pool, not have a pool of nothing but killers to avoid upsets, a pool with only one killer that'll basically get a free ride into the tournament bracket. I believe tournament brackets are supposed to be in factors of 8 too. So we would've had to do pools of 6 people with an even amount of vets and new players.

Maybe after this tournament we could do ranked matches that would go towards our seeding in S5. I like the idea of ranked matches a lot, but I'm not sure how it would work in Arena.
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Post by: Reks on June 19, 2015, 03:11:16 am
Quote from: Shintroy on June 19, 2015, 02:55:28 am
All I'm saying is. I hope Leffen takes EVO. I've been subbed to just about every top end melee channel for a couple of years now. Less than a month to go until EVO mate. I can't wait.

Pools are basically miniature tournaments before the main bracket where only the top two make it out into the tournament bracket (winners and losers). Tournament Organizers will usually do things like not have too many people from the same region in the same pool, not have a pool of nothing but killers to avoid upsets, a pool with only one killer that'll basically get a free ride into the tournament bracket. I believe tournament brackets are supposed to be in factors of 8 too. So we would've had to do pools of 6 people with an even amount of vets and new players.

Maybe after this tournament we could do ranked matches that would go towards our seeding in S5. I like the idea of ranked matches a lot, but I'm not sure how it would work in Arena.
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Still depends on what one would consider a 'veteran'
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 19, 2015, 03:20:12 am
Quote from: Shintroy on June 19, 2015, 02:55:28 amMaybe after this tournament we could do ranked matches that would go towards our seeding in S5. I like the idea of ranked matches a lot, but I'm not sure how it would work in Arena.


Rated matches could work well with Arena. They would (most probably) be on a separate thread from the existing sticky, and more organised. Then the old thread would become more of a practice thread than anything else to prepare newer teams for rated matches.

Edit: I see one problem with that though. If we see another surge of new players in the next season like what's happened just now, rated teams that have racked up points would have a seed advantage whereas the newcomers are pretty much doomed from the start.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 19, 2015, 03:50:21 am
Quote from: White Knight Wiegraf on June 19, 2015, 03:20:12 am
Rated matches could work well with Arena. They would (most probably) be on a separate thread from the existing sticky, and more organised. Then the old thread would become more of a practice thread than anything else to prepare newer teams for rated matches.

I've always thought of the matches outside of the annual tournament as exhibition matches too. There could be another thread for ranked matches, but it could work in the existing video discussion thread.

Quote
Edit: I see one problem with that though. If we see another surge of new players in the next season like what's happened just now, rated teams that have racked up points would have a seed advantage whereas the newcomers are pretty much doomed from the start.


There's two ways to deal with new wildcard players.

1. Use pools and count them as unranked players. (you'd still use seeded ranking, but we'd have to evenly distribute them into the pools.
2. Host a preliminary tournament with only the new players entering. Depending on the amount in the tournament bracket, list them as bottom seeded players.

Either way new players are highly likely to only get two matches in a tournament. That's just how it goes if you're bottom seed.  It's really up to the uploaders to decide how tournaments will run since they're the ones who have to record, edit, and upload matches. I'd like the seeded bracket since the matches in the beginning of the tournament are highly likely to be short.

Quote from: Reks on June 19, 2015, 03:11:16 am
Still depends on what one would consider a 'veteran'


Since this is Arena, I'd count veterans as players who have entered a tournament in the past. That's not a reliable way to identify players, but it's all we have at the moment without a ranking system. I'd prefer a ranking system that resets at the end of every annual tournament. We can make a thread about how ranking, and ranked matches could work too.

I'm most interested in how we would deal with counter pickers, or players that could make a team built to specifically counter a certain team.  I think the best idea would be have a player challenge another player and both sending in their teams to an uploader that would volunteer on handling arena matches. That way there's no way of either player knowing about the other's team and countering it. If it just so happens you submitted a Holy/Silver bow team and your opponent entered with a Magic Ring/Cursed Ring team then that's on you.

I'd love ranked matches if they went something like that.
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Post by: Barren on June 19, 2015, 06:29:55 am
I believe we did have a top 5 placement before if I recall. Like for example season 1 of arena the top five were Wiz, CT5Holy, myself, Gaignun and champion Avalanche. I was ranked no. 3 as the guy who went from the beginning of the loser's bracket all the way to the last loser's bracket match. It's been for years my best performance as a AI tournament player. I might be able to replicate that or hopefully win the whole thing but I'm likely not (unless the rng wants me to win this year).
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Post by: Zotis on June 19, 2015, 06:36:43 am
Typically the tournament organizer arranges pools based on his knowledge of the players and who he expects to win.  Unknown players get seated low.  If they turn out to be really good, then that just makes for an interesting upset.

It's hard to have exhibition matches when you don't have a league or a whole season.  A lot of people only show up for tournaments.

It would be nice to have a cash prize.  That would draw a lot more people.  Who knows, in the future I may even be willing to offer $100 towards the winnings just to support this kind of scene's potential growth.
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Post by: Barren on June 19, 2015, 06:44:20 am
It depends if money at that time is right. We did however have a win/loss system where back at the SSC tournament I hosted a few years ago. So maybe next time we do a tourney (if we have time for another one this summer) we can do like a SSC or something with swiss or round robin rules.
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Post by: Malroth on June 19, 2015, 10:41:04 am
I'm Working on an Excel spreadsheet that can generate Elo rating changes based on round performance, and am planning on using the season 3 and 4 tournament results to come up with initial rankings for the participants,  it's a small match pool so the rankings will be skewed toward the middle especially for the ones eliminated early but those could be used in any ranked match thread that comes up later.
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Post by: TrueLight on June 19, 2015, 01:09:58 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 17 - reinoe vs Shintroy (https://youtu.be/3UX30j713yE)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 18 - CT5Holy vs Malroth (https://youtu.be/UXkHGw2Zjjg)
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Post by: Zotis on June 19, 2015, 01:18:45 pm
I look forward to seeing what you come up with Malroth.
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Post by: Malroth on June 19, 2015, 01:47:57 pm

yeah i knew i was boned as soon as I saw that the opening was a medium map, My team is awesome when it can either reach range on the first move or get a couple rounds in before closing but my high speed setup means my guys just walk up and die when they start a little over spell range,  seperation did me no favors either, then in round 2 they went for comets instead of summons on the one good round they had,  Well I pretty much was sure I'd loose to CT5 or Barren anyway so meh
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Post by: Shintroy on June 19, 2015, 03:13:15 pm
Stalling Mime vs Two Swords Mime
Everyone's a threat on this team. The Ninja can probably break my gear. The squire can either OHKO or sleep. The Monk can't be affected by any status besides slow. The Mime gets to mimic quickening, and every two swords attack if it's in range. Soft Counter maybe?

R1 - God opening for reinoe. My Mime and Time Mage advanced a bit too much and got destroyed for it. It got pretty ugly from there. You don't want to be at a unit disadvantage against a quickening mime team. Surprised it took so long for reinoe to close it out.

R2 - Great opening for me this time. Everyone's regen and hasted and I even got a few status effects off. Called it once the monk was down and all of reinoe's units were put to sleep... What was up with regenerator not overriding the poison?

R3 - Pretty neutral start, Early death by the Ninja, but it seems like reinoe designed her to advance and be a target in the beginning. Didn't get a chance fully revive her due to the monk dropping steal heart and the squire getting put to sleep.

GG. Hopefully this is the last time we see mime on mime crimes.



Brutal knowing the video's six minutes long. I do agree with the map being medium sized and not large. Could've probably taken it to the third round if it wasn't for this.

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Post by: reinoe on June 19, 2015, 03:48:38 pm
Because my squire has Light Robe, Regen is technically always in effect.  So when my unit tries to get Regen it can't be applied because it's already there.  That's why my unit kept poison.  That's also why I said my team is completely unfinished.  Light Robe is supposed to be White Robe among other things... I pretty much submitted a rough draft but because My laptop broke down I couldn't refine.

Well, my match was a comedy of errorS like I expected.  Every time my Mime got put to sleep I died a little inside.  There were even errors I hadn't spotted.  My squire needed to go before the mime, not after.  Speaking of the squire I found it hilarious when he kept intentionally placing himself in a way that the mime would cast wall on the chemist.  I don't mean to sound so negative, it was still a fun match, and shintroy definitely earned the win.

GG and good luck in your future matches!
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 20, 2015, 11:26:18 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #2: Heroebal vs Epic  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mslfRhnlL8)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #3: Barren Vs White Knife Wiegraf  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1pl2E2Njc)

FFT Ai Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #4: AnimaZero vs Vireblaze (http://youtu.be/tPIig-FwUdU)
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Post by: Barren on June 20, 2015, 12:39:55 pm
well that was to be expected considering just the maps alone. Some double turning helped me so far. Hopefully I can keep it up. GG white knight wiegraf
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 20, 2015, 03:49:47 pm

R1
Barren cast a Tornado on his second turn before my first turn's Odin could resolve. Makes me realize how sluggish this summon is and just relies on Dead procs. But Tornado is also really fast.

R2
I was keeping up despite the large speed difference, but partly due to luck. Once the Mime got put to sleep this ended abruptly. GG Barren


I was expecting my team to do at least a little better compared to last year.
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Post by: VireBlaze on June 20, 2015, 05:11:16 pm
Not gonna lie, my heart was pounding the entire time, and when I saw all those procs in the first round, I got worried - stalling with really good damage and a high evasion, stubborn Chemist is an incredibly well-built team, so I didn't figure I'd even win the second round.  Grand Cross Squire managed to do what he was supposed to, though, and my team did a good job of supporting each other with Maelstrom, Earth Slash, and items.  And once that Chemist was cut off from the rest of her team, all she could do was stall for time.  (Cue her stopping my Ninja and putting my Squire to sleep while being stuck right in the corner.)  But again, those procs were honestly pretty scary to me, especially since Don't Act and weapons being broken is what ruined me in my first match of the tournament.  You were an incredibly good match, Anima, and it was really fun to watch.  GG.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 20, 2015, 05:25:18 pm

Epic's team kept getting put into sandbag mode. It's already known his team's great at tanking, but doesn't have the power to get it out of sandbag power. GG



R1 - Armor/Head Break, Berserked Crossbow Dancer vs Rock, and AoE

R2 - This map is a huge problem for ranged units. I recommended it being banned due to ranged weapon AI not recognizing it as an obstacle. There was no winning for WKW here.


Balanced Team vs Water Absorb
Vireblaze did really well vs Mudvayne, and absorb teams tend to do well against balanced teams with low status so I'm betting on Vireblaze to take this.

R1 - Anima Zero's team hits a bit harder without AoE, but Vireblaze has better AoE. Vireblaze takes the lead at first, but loses it due to Anima's evasion and status. Good match up for a R1 losers bracket match.

R2 - Smaller map so the Wizard and Grand Cross  damage pile on quick. Is Anima's monk supposed to be an Asura monk? No idea, but it would've helped him in this round.

R3 - AoE gave Vireblaze a good lead at the start of the start. Not possible to come back against AoE with phoenix down and wish  on slow units. It was only amatter of time once the time mage and monk went down.

GG. Great match. Looking forward to R2 of losers because of this one.


Good Stuff Mudvayne

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Fixed Barren vs WKW
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Post by: TrueLight on June 20, 2015, 06:45:08 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 19 - Vigilanti vs Corosar (https://youtu.be/6b7O2Pj1rRw)
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Post by: Anima Zero on June 20, 2015, 07:08:24 pm

Definitely an exciting first round there.  I just got overwhelmed more or less in the next two rounds though.  Perhaps I'll look into reworking this team a bit and submit it as another regular 'ol Arena team when I have a bit of time.  GG VireBlaze!
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Post by: Vigilanti on June 20, 2015, 07:14:40 pm
double the holy cast means double the pain. At least my team functioned better than any of my previous ones so far. GG Corosar. Good luck in the loser's bracket buddy
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Post by: Corosar on June 20, 2015, 07:19:09 pm
Quote from: TrueLight on June 20, 2015, 06:45:08 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 19 - Vigilanti vs Corosar (https://youtu.be/6b7O2Pj1rRw)



god damn mother.... something tells me i am gonna have holy nightmares whenever i make a team from now on.... GG Vigilanti... you earned the win judging by just how much my team was making it hard to win again.

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Post by: Shintroy on June 20, 2015, 07:52:58 pm

R1 - Double Holy and Jump and the map made this a good match up for Vigilanti. There's no coming back with phoenix down against all of that and the Darkness map aoe spell. This took a lot longer than it should've.

R2 - Great start for Corosar. Vigilanti slowly but surely turns it around when Corosar's priest and oracle goes down.


GG. The Whm/Blm gives me an idea for absorb teams. You could give her cure and an absorb spell so that she's not prone to poison loop. The AI is likely to use the elemental spell over cure since it would heal for more too.
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Post by: Reks on June 20, 2015, 09:23:31 pm
Quote from: Shintroy on June 20, 2015, 07:52:58 pm

R1 - Double Holy and Jump and the map made this a good match up for Vigilanti. There's no coming back with phoenix down against all of that and the Darkness map aoe spell. This took a lot longer than it should've.

R2 - Great start for Corosar. Vigilanti slowly but surely turns it around when Corosar's priest and oracle goes down.


GG. The Whm/Blm gives me an idea for absorb teams. You could give her cure and an absorb spell so that she's not prone to poison loop. The AI is likely to use the elemental spell over cure since it would heal for more too.


I attempted something similar with an old team of Black Magic Priests.

I didn't balance them well, but the concept was similar and I want to do something like that again.

Actually, I'm going to.
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 21, 2015, 03:21:48 pm
Quote from: Malroth on June 18, 2015, 01:55:10 pm
((145-MyFaith)*(145-TheirFaith)/10000) *PA*9

Best Reliable Case Scenario. 40 faith  18PA Attack Up Dancer with 108 Gems vs 40 Faith Target Neutral Compat.

145-40=105
105*105 =11025
11025/10000= 1.1025
1.1025(Faith Modifier)*18(pa)*9(attack stregnth)*1.3(Attack UP)*1.2(Elemental Strenghen)=278.63 which is rounded down to 278 damage


Mostly correct! I believe that FFT truncates / floor function / rounds down after each calculation, so the order in which you multiply actually kinda matters. Also your number for AUP and Strengthen: Ele are off.

So, using the numbers in Malroth's example, it should be something like:
18 * (5/4) = 22.5 -> 22     * 5/4 is the Strengthen: Ele boost (1.25x)   (also note that you apply these multipliers to PA (or MA, for MAUP, etc)
22 * (4/3) = 29.33 -> 29   * 4/3 is the AUP boost (1.33x)
29*9*1.1025 = 287.75 -> 287
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Post by: TrueLight on June 21, 2015, 05:48:39 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 20 - Zotis vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/t--StlR8Pnk)
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 21, 2015, 06:51:41 pm
GG Zotis. I got fucked by the RNG in round 2 quite a few times and was actually pretty worried there going into the 3rdround... Good luck in the losers bracket, 4 casters? That can be pretty damn scary. Speed is my biggest advantage and relying on those lucky stop procs or dont acts from the archer and ninja right off the bat. If those don't happen I'm screwed.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 21, 2015, 07:12:07 pm
Quote from: TrueLight on June 21, 2015, 05:48:39 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 20 - Zotis vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/t--StlR8Pnk)


Casters vs Ice Absorb
Both teams are heavy hitters with range and status. Zotis has More OHKO potential, while Mudvayne has the speed advantage. Betting on Mudvayne because I don't think Zotis has an answer for that archer.

R1 - Mudvayne probably got the best opener possible for his team. 2 don't acts and a stop proc? The turns just kept piling on from the Ninja and Archer. Hard to come back from that on a slower caster team. Would've been interesting if There had been a Slow 2 from the summoner.

R2 - Great opener for Zotis this time. Two Don't Acts followed by two OHKO Flares?  It's a good thing Mudvayne has Raise 2 and turn advantage to compete with this damage output. It was over once Mudvayne's Oracle missed the Raise 2 . That Ninja could've probably served better as a female.

R3 - Similar to Round 1 for Mudvayne. Disabled Zotis's entire team and even managed to take one out without the Archer. Zotis really didn't get to do anything in this round aside from petrify the archer and redirect that Fire spell.

GG. I didn't think that archer and ninja was be such a threat to Zotis. Definitely interested in seeing Zotis vs silentkaster soon.


Good stuff Barren and Truelight and good luck to everyone in Winner's R3 and Loser's R2. Is it just me or is the losers side looking more exciting than the winners side?
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 21, 2015, 09:15:33 pm
The losers bracket is stacked with all the top dogs. This will be an interesting tourney for sure.
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Post by: Reks on June 21, 2015, 09:29:40 pm
Quote from: Mudvayne on June 21, 2015, 09:15:33 pm
The losers bracket is stacked with all the top dogs. This will be an interesting tourney for sure.

Are they 'top' if they got knocked down? :P

Thoughts on the next four regular bracket matches?
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Post by: Shintroy on June 21, 2015, 10:27:17 pm


Air Absorb vs Balanced Team

Andante has a Defense Ring and Windslash Bow user. DW has the range and AOE aadvantage. I want Andante to win just because I'd rather not fight an air absorb team ever. Definitely is looking in DW's favor though. The lancer will make this interesting imo.


Melee/Status vs Biased

Want Reks to win. Geo/Whm? Sqr/Nin? Definitely want Reks to take this side of winners.

Redworld can take it if her team gets off enough status. Looks like an even match up due to status.



Chokepoint map in R1? I'm screwed unless I get slow 2 off. Doubt it since everyone on my team can probably be OHKO'd by that holy scholar.

I want to take out that samurai and scholar ASAP for sure.


Ice Absorb vs Earth/Dark absorb

Probably the best match on winners side. No idea who's going to take it. Won't even look into it that much. I'm more interested in fighting Vigilante due to never seeing a team like it before.



Mime is going to take this whole tournament... As long as I don't fight an air absorb team. GL to reinoe and rouroni on the losers side.
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Post by: Elmdork on June 22, 2015, 08:45:27 am
Quote from: Shintroy on June 21, 2015, 10:27:17 pm


Air Absorb vs Balanced Team

Andante has a Defense Ring and Windslash Bow user. DW has the range and AOE aadvantage. I want Andante to win just because I'd rather not fight an air absorb team ever. Definitely is looking in DW's favor though. The lancer will make this interesting imo.


Melee/Status vs Biased

Want Reks to win. Geo/Whm? Sqr/Nin? Definitely want Reks to take this side of winners.

Redworld can take it if her team gets off enough status. Looks like an even match up due to status.



Chokepoint map in R1? I'm screwed unless I get slow 2 off. Doubt it since everyone on my team can probably be OHKO'd by that holy scholar.

I want to take out that samurai and scholar ASAP for sure.


Ice Absorb vs Earth/Dark absorb

Probably the best match on winners side. No idea who's going to take it. Won't even look into it that much. I'm more interested in fighting Vigilante due to never seeing a team like it before.



Mime is going to take this whole tournament... As long as I don't fight an air absorb team. GL to reinoe and rouroni on the losers side.


Dude, you have no idea how bad I wanted anima zero to take that. Nothing personal, vireblaze but I just want one game without counter magic, which means I got no choice but to kill you or eat 6 of my own bahamuts.

It's actually pretty cool every team thus far has had my hard counter on their team, makes for good videos. If you're not prepared, they'll kill you in 9 ticks. Or you can arm aim a samurai. That works too.
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Post by: Zotis on June 22, 2015, 09:34:30 pm
Quote from: Mudvayne on June 21, 2015, 06:51:41 pm
GG Zotis. I got fucked by the RNG in round 2 quite a few times and was actually pretty worried there going into the 3rdround... Good luck in the losers bracket, 4 casters? That can be pretty damn scary. Speed is my biggest advantage and relying on those lucky stop procs or dont acts from the archer and ninja right off the bat. If those don't happen I'm screwed.

that was pretty intense.  I was not expecting to get shut down so hard by all that don't act, and that random early stop was brutal.  Speed is something I decided to cut back on a bit relying instead on slow 2, short charge, and masamune.  Your combination of status and speed worked very well.
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 23, 2015, 12:29:14 am
Sorry I've been slacking slightly with the vids. Expect the next couple videos on wednesday, ill be off work early and have time to upload some matches. :oops:
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Post by: Barren on June 23, 2015, 04:53:04 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 21 - dw6561 vs Andante49 (https://youtu.be/29D2mPy666M)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match  # 22 - RedWorld vs Reks (https://youtu.be/pmKN3X70dIU)
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Post by: Shintroy on June 23, 2015, 06:53:43 pm
Balance vs Harder hitting balance.
Reks on small and medium maps. Redworld R1 due to range.

R1 - Turns out both teams have the same strategy. A unit to AoE followed by two units to finish things off (comet/Jump and ton/geomancy. RedWorld surprised RedWorld took it without charm landing. Pretty scary stuff.

R2 - Equal start from both sides with Redworld coming out on top. Reks recovers quickly due to Raise 2 though. Chiri combined with the first salamander takes RedWorld out. If RedWorld had Regen somehow this would've been a 2-0.

R3 - Reks's Chirijiraden Geomancer went unchecked the entire round. No chance at recovering from Chiri with Raise and Wish especially with mostly 3 move units

GG.




Even at the beginning, but quickly turned one sided. The archer being unable to do anything outside of break and arm aim probably made this a good match up for Andante. Higher



Here come the nerves.
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Post by: dw6561 on June 23, 2015, 09:03:56 pm
Wow, that was a slaughter. I knew I shouldn't have discarded esuna on my preist like that. Oh well, there's still the loser's bracket. GG.

On a side note, I probably should have optimized my faith values so that raise doesn't miss every single battle...that's frustrating. Probably should have made the priest good compat with the monk and ninja as well.
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Post by: Reks on June 24, 2015, 01:18:15 am
I always get a bit nervous with each match coming on, but far more confident each time I win. GG, Redworld! You really COULD have taken that second round from me.

Also, thank you for the music, Barren. I've found that Cave Story's OST works well for Arena.
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Post by: Barren on June 24, 2015, 06:23:00 am
Hey all for those who may have noticed me having issues the music being louder the my voice when I do the matches I have just ordered a new usb microphone for my recordings. I have came to the conclusion that while my old microphone still works it doesn't pick on my voice as well due to wear and tear. So it'll be maybe another week before I continue with the tournament
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 24, 2015, 06:43:43 am
Don't worry, we can wait :)


While others wait for their matches... Today's featured match - Match 17!

reinoe VS Shintroy - How it Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk)

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Post by: Corosar on June 24, 2015, 07:23:20 am
Quote from: Barren on June 24, 2015, 06:23:00 am
Hey all for those who may have noticed me having issues the music being louder the my voice when I do the matches I have just ordered a new usb microphone for my recordings. I have came to the conclusion that while my old microphone still works it doesn't pick on my voice as well due to wear and tear. So it'll be maybe another week before I continue with the tournament


ehh don't worry about it barren it give us a bit of time to get excited for the future matches
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Post by: reinoe on June 24, 2015, 08:57:21 am
Quote from: Barren on June 24, 2015, 06:23:00 am
Hey all for those who may have noticed me having issues the music being louder the my voice when I do the matches I have just ordered a new usb microphone for my recordings. I have came to the conclusion that while my old microphone still works it doesn't pick on my voice as well due to wear and tear. So it'll be maybe another week before I continue with the tournament
No worries Barren.  Besides this gives loser's bracket a chance to catch up.
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Post by: reinoe on June 24, 2015, 08:58:56 am
Quote from: skiploom188 on June 24, 2015, 06:43:43 am
Don't worry, we can wait :)


While others wait for their matches... Today's featured match - Match 17!

reinoe VS Shintroy - How it Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk)



Loved it!!!  Thanks skip.  These are wonderfully silly.
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 24, 2015, 10:49:10 am
Thank you! It's my gift to you and Shintroy  :mrgreen:

It can be a gift for everyone too!
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Post by: Elmdork on June 24, 2015, 03:10:33 pm
Quote from: skiploom188 on June 24, 2015, 06:43:43 am
Don't worry, we can wait :)


While others wait for their matches... Today's featured match - Match 17!

reinoe VS Shintroy - How it Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4VohkPIk)




Wow you manage to make me howl every time, skip. I'm in awe with how much you can accomplish in such little time... everything is hand drawn with little to no use of premade assets?! Where the hell is your NewGrounds page?! And the audio! Damn, dude.

... and the bag of doom..

Well, you got a new subscriber. Definitely earned that, I wanna see anything you make. Keep up the good work!
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Post by: silentkaster on June 24, 2015, 07:42:20 pm
Yes, that was hilarious...from start to finish :D
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 24, 2015, 09:28:06 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #5 Zotis vs Silentkaster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBnvmvSeHE)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #6 Corosar vs Lakitu673 (http://youtu.be/Pm1vxo5KC-M)
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Post by: silentkaster on June 24, 2015, 10:06:03 pm
thought I lost with that missed Raise 2 in R1. Archer was MVP that time. Round 2 was mine only because of the Counter Magic Slow 2...GG Zotis.
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Post by: Shintroy on June 24, 2015, 10:17:55 pm
Fast/Status vs Casters

Betting on silentkaster due to the huge speed advantage.

R1 - Really close round. silentkaster's Archer was triple turning that wizard at the end. Probably the only reason silentkaster was able to recover.

R2 - No way Zotis is taking two rounds in three minutes. Counter Magic and Tornado from that Scholar kept silentkaster in this round. If the archer wasn't so fast Zotis definitely could've came back and took two rounds in three minutes.

GG.



Good commentary from Mudvayne. Bothunits do have a poorly executed unit on thier teams. I think Lakitu has the advantage here due to haveing better range and aoe.

R1 - Never seen a team get so badly split up on this map. That paladin is sooo slow too. 8 speed with haste? 7 Speed does work on some units though. Not /punch art paladin though

R2 - Destruction. Too much AoE.

R3 - Slight advantage to Corosar at the beginning. If Corosar had a little more damage she probably would've took this round early. Lucky for Lakitu his units didn't get  split up since it tends to happen to P2 on this map.

GG. I wonder if it's possibleto make a hybrid unit out of Male Samurai. Overwhelm + Two Hands seems like a good set up for something.

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Silentkaster vs Lakitu is going to be an automatic win when that happens. GJ either way to Lakitu for making it that far.



"We may screw up in every first round..."
Funniest thing I've seen all day. So true.
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Post by: Corosar on June 24, 2015, 11:16:45 pm
Quote from: Mudvayne on June 24, 2015, 09:28:06 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #5 Zotis vs Silentkaster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBnvmvSeHE)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #6 Corosar vs Lakitu673 (http://youtu.be/Pm1vxo5KC-M)



yep.... no more being vulnerable to holy with any of my teams from now on... still great match lakitu... GG
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Post by: Zotis on June 24, 2015, 11:20:37 pm
Nicely done silentkaster.  Good luck in the rest of the tournament.
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Post by: Lakitu673 on June 25, 2015, 12:19:13 am
Aw poor Butters. Nobody seems to like him. I really thought round 3 would end like round 1 with the raise -> ice loop. Good game
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 25, 2015, 03:19:28 am
Glad you enjoyed it Rouroni! It's really nice to have a fan like you :)
And you subscribed. Yippee!

Hmm, NewGrounds. Why didn't I think of that?


Since it was kind of a pattern for your team to mess up every Round 1, it was worth pointing out lol


The next match I'll be making will include teams who reached Top 8. Only one will be chosen. Which match would it be? Stay tuned!
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Post by: reinoe on June 25, 2015, 06:32:43 am
Is Lich non-elemental?  I always thought it was considered Dark Element but it's listed with no element in the guide.
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Post by: Barren on June 25, 2015, 07:11:42 am
It kind of works like Demi in a sense that it can do high damage but low accuracy
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Post by: Shintroy on June 25, 2015, 07:15:42 am
I always thought it was dark elemental too so I've never considered it viable since there was Odin which has a chance of doing 100% damage. I haven't looked into it, but after overlooking things like Hawk's Eye being unevadable, Ultima not needing faith, I'm just going to trust the Master Guide and say it's non-elemental.

Squire with Summon Magic is pretty fun with 15 MA and a Black Robe. Didn't know Shiva, Ifrit and Ramuh were unevadable. You could do some mean damage with them. Seeing Zotis's team makes me want to try out my first caster team. I forgot Sinkhole was a thing after using Throw Stone for so long.

Does anyone know if stopping a sleep unit extends the duration of sleep?
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Post by: Barren on June 25, 2015, 07:52:29 am
Sleep from my experience lasts longer than stop
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Post by: Shintroy on June 25, 2015, 08:12:22 am
Of course it does. I'm asking if stop does more than just stop CT. Does it also stop turn count status effects have? Like if two units got affected by poison, but one got stopped, would the poison fade at the same time or not?
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Post by: Barren on June 25, 2015, 08:23:57 am
When you put it that way I'm honestly stumped. I've never seen anyone stack stop with poison/sleep. I've seen stop paired up with don't act and don't act freezes while stop is inflicted and then don't act resumes when stop wore off. So to attempt to answer your question I would think that poison would just freeze like don't act because of the amount of turns it takes to weaken someone with poison if under stop.

Its curious to think about so if anyone happens to find this out please post
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Post by: Elmdork on June 25, 2015, 09:08:16 am
master guide says petrify, stop and sleep stop ct, but I know I've seen things like charm wear off a sleeping unit. Perhaps the effects have been modified since it was updated, but I'm pretty sure if it has a tick counter, it wears off, so don't act and sleep won't change anything.. but I wonder what happens to the sleep status when someone gets petrified...gonna look in my vid archives for my SCC oracle team, see if they can answer my question (I may or may not have been laughing too hard to notice). edit pending.

Oh and shintroy, you wanna see a cool hybrid samurai (Cuz you are aware of my unhealthy obsession) check out the latest game I had with WkW a day ago in the discussion thread. Elmdor uses a muramasa, like a baws.

Actually, you fought them and kicked their ass with fire cape just before the tourney.. I had nearly forgotten XD

Ya, use the male samurai with caution (i'm not sure if I mean the ability or the philosophy... 2sword with power wrist?)
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 25, 2015, 11:37:29 am
Stop will prevent the affected unit from gaining CT (and prevent reaction abilities, and reduce evade to 0). It does not 'freeze' the CT count of other statuses, those tick along just like Stop. Think about Galaxy Stop from vanilla - Stop, DM, and DA are all applied at the same time. Stop wears off first cause it has a shorter duration, then DM and DA wear off not too long after.

The one thing Stop will 'freeze' is Charging - if you're casting a spell and get Stopped midcharge, the spell will continue to count down once Stop wears off on that unit.
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Post by: Zotis on June 25, 2015, 02:06:02 pm
If other statuses wear off during stop, why wouldn't sleep?
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Post by: Barren on June 25, 2015, 02:28:34 pm
Because sleeps takes longer to wear off and the quickest way to remove is pretty much an instant esuna or stigma magic. Maybe sleep just was made to last longer I suppose
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Post by: Heroebal on June 25, 2015, 03:17:56 pm
I think maybe sleep is made to last longer because it's easier to undo. As all it takes is a throw stone or small whack from a weak attacking unit while the other status effects require something more specific. Charm also only takes a throw stone but that has a unit actively going against it's on team mates, but then again I don't think there is any multi-target charm abilities.
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Post by: silentkaster on June 25, 2015, 04:21:17 pm
Interestingly enough, the AI will not use Throw Stone (or for that matter, sinkhole) to wake up/uncharm an ally. I think these moves the AI uses exclusively to stop a charging opponent, even when the ability could kill off the opponent. In all the Arena matches I've seen, I believe only once (in 1.38, actually) did I see a squire (who was equipped with a healing staff, and the only offensive ability she had was steal accessory and throw stone and all accessories were already stolen), throw a stone at a non charging opponent (if anyone has additional instances, let me know). However, I've seen several instances where a sinkhole or throw stone could kill the unit and the AI chose not to (even though their highest priority is almost always kill an enemy unit.)

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Post by: Zotis on June 25, 2015, 08:02:23 pm
I think you missunderstood me Barren.  Sleep definitely lasts long, but stop doesn't prevent it from wearing off.
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Post by: TrueLight on June 26, 2015, 07:40:16 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 23 - Shintroy vs CT5Holy (https://youtu.be/StiaNSLdABQ)
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 26, 2015, 07:47:40 pm

Disclaimer: Not entirely accurate

Legend
+  Win
-  Loss

[1]
++ Andante49 (4W-0L)
++ CT5Holy (4W-0L)
[3]
++ Reks (4W-1L)
++ Mudvayne (4W-1L)
++ RedWorld (4W-1L)
[6]
++ Shintroy (4W-2L)
[7]
+- Zotis (3W-2L)
-+ Heroebal (3W-2L)
[9]
+- fattyzilla (2W-2L)
+- TrueLight (2W-2L)
+- Corosar (2W-2L)
-+ Barren (2W-2L)
[13]
+ Vigilanti (2W-0L)
[14]
+- Malroth (2W-3L)
-+ Lakitu673 (2W-3L)
+ dw6561 (2W-1L)
[17]
+- Rouroni Elmdor (3W-3L)
[18]
-+ VireBlaze (2W-3L)
[19]
- silentkaster (1W-2L)
- Jumza (1W-2L)
- Dol (1W-2L)
- reinoe (1W-2L)
[23]
- StarRacer (0W-2L)
- skiploom188 (0W-2L)
[25]
-- Fanatic (1W-4L)
-- White Knight Wiegraf (1W-4L)
-- Anima Zero (1W-4L)
[28]
-- Epic (0W-4L)
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Post by: Shintroy on June 26, 2015, 08:39:53 pm
Stalling Mime vs OHKO

R1 First Half - Stuck on the chokepoint with a petrified monk. Felt like I was behind for ten minutes at the very least. There was almost no talk skills landing to top it all off.
R1 2nd Half - The mime gets separated from the team with a dead monk. Things don't actually turn around until the mimic steal accessory. Pretty hilarious to see the Chemist and the Samurai duke it out. Kiyomori, heal, kiyomori, masamune, kiyomori, 70 damage dagger attack, auto potion... I'm glad it's over. I hope winning the first round doesn't mean I lose the next two.

R2 - 100% Petrify? Terrible start again. Almost turned it around with a double charm on the oracle and samurai. Another ten something minutes of me being down. If it weren't for that leather mantle this would've been over a lot sooner.

GG. When I saw a 38 minute match I thought this would be three rounds. Thank you mime gods.


Talk about letting one go. GG.
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 27, 2015, 01:01:27 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #7 Malroth vs Jumza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RlK5Q5F6ZA)
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Post by: Kurosabes on June 27, 2015, 07:06:24 am

Very close call for Jumza. What if Jumza had not blocked that attack? Game Over screen?
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Post by: Jumza on June 27, 2015, 10:01:33 am
Quote from: White Knight Wiegraf on June 27, 2015, 07:06:24 am

Very close call for Jumza. What if Jumza had not blocked that attack? Game Over screen?


Good question. No idea, though.

Holy Crap that was intense! GG Malroth. Round two was so close, if it weren't for that Oil from the Chemist's Bad Luck I probably would have lost since she wouldn't have had to spend so much time healing herself instead of killing the chemist with Bio. After the Priest got stopped in round 3 I thought it was over again, but my guys really pulled through for me :) GG, again.

EDIT: Also, 13 minute match? I thought I was done for just from that. I'm surprised we fit 3 rounds in there. Thanks for the match Mudvayne!
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Post by: TrueLight on June 27, 2015, 02:28:48 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 24 - Vigilanti vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/Dl8WGZDm124)
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Post by: Mudvayne on June 27, 2015, 09:47:16 pm
Quote from: TrueLight on June 27, 2015, 02:28:48 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 24 - Vigilanti vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/Dl8WGZDm124)
Wow, GG. Can't believe the CB in round 2! Was nervous there for a minute. GL in the losers bracket!

Thanks for the match TL.
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 28, 2015, 08:46:22 am
My third gift for everyone...

MATCH 21!
dw6561 vs Andante49 - How it Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPz7drjr68s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPz7drjr68s)

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Post by: Mudvayne on June 28, 2015, 01:49:05 pm
These are so awesome skip. Keep up the good work!
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Post by: dw6561 on June 28, 2015, 02:03:47 pm
That was great! Lol, after I watched that I had to go and watch the match again, naturally.

Stop destroyed my entire team. If only I had something to remove don't act and stop reliably...Elemental absorb teams weak to status indeed. Also, that raise 1 missing? If this happens enough times, someone should make a montage.
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 28, 2015, 10:15:31 pm
If I remembered correctly, the Raise had 91% chance to hit and I think it only missed once (Round 1). And yeah that Stop really sealed the deal for your team.

Now my question... So how will you handle the Loser's Bracket?
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Post by: dw6561 on June 28, 2015, 11:57:21 pm
You're right, it only missed once there. But it has happened several times during my test runs. I don't get very good luck, do I?

As for how I will handle the loser's bracket? I heard it was a bloodbath. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll loose, but it's my first try at this so I won't be too upset.
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Post by: skiploom188 on June 29, 2015, 02:28:35 am
Aha, you played along! I like that XD

All right well, best of luck out there.


@Mudvayne
Thank you! Drawing the backgrounds was the tough part there. And I still can't process how I pulled off all those abilities in a couple days work. It was a fun video to make. Glad you enjoyed :)
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Post by: Reks on June 29, 2015, 04:32:20 am
Quote from: skiploom188 on June 29, 2015, 02:28:35 am
Aha, you played along! I like that XD

All right well, best of luck out there.


@Mudvayne
Thank you! Drawing the backgrounds was the tough part there. And I still can't process how I pulled off all those abilities in a couple days work. It was a fun video to make. Glad you enjoyed :)


They're all so excellent, hehe.

I'd ask for one but nothing exemplary has happened for me, except somehow defeating TrueLight.

And the Draw Out Geo.
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Post by: Barren on June 30, 2015, 09:16:30 am
I got a new microphone for the matches and I hope to everyone this sounds better than it did before and the music isn't louder than my commentary. At least I don't think its louder than my commentary. Anyways here's the loser bracket matches I'm covering for silentkaster for now. More to come. If you want to hear my commentary try wearing headphones that has good audio and bass

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 8 - reinoe vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/zYTSZhKJlTk)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 9 - TrueLight vs Dol (https://youtu.be/Fn8Sn_ILyig)
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Post by: Shintroy on June 30, 2015, 10:15:16 am
2S Mime vs Fast Team

I bet on Reinoe due to mime. Herobal has a slight advantage due to having high SP and reinoe not having high damage output.

R1 - Even though reinoe got 3 quickenings on the monk his team was still out gunned in terms of speed and damage. The mime having to tend to the Ninja made it so reinoe couldn't get any 2S mimics going off. Really bad round for reinoe.

R2 - No quickenings this time around so the advantage was more obvious here. Surprised Herobal's team spent their turns more wisely.

GG RIP mime. I think there's only two mime teams left including mine now. GJ to Herobal for taking it 2-0 too.


10 SP Balanced vs Balanced Melee
I bet on Truelight here since I want to see one of the only thieves get through.

R1 - Long round. Once the squire got put down it was only a matter of time until Truelight's faster team won the loop.

R2 - Devestating opener by Truelight. Dol just wasn't able to recover quick enough to come back.

GG. The squire definitely held Dol back here. Either that or the team's lack of a heavy hitter.


I didn't notice the first one going out. Maybe it's because I always listen in mono and I'm missing out on something. GL in your next match. Hoping to see you vs Truelight.
then Truelight vs CT5Holy because air absorbs are a bad match up for me ;)
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Post by: Reks on June 30, 2015, 03:46:26 pm
Quote from: Barren on June 30, 2015, 09:16:30 am
I got a new microphone for the matches and I hope to everyone this sounds better than it did before and the music isn't louder than my commentary. At least I don't think its louder than my commentary. Anyways here's the loser bracket matches I'm covering for silentkaster for now. More to come. If you want to hear my commentary try wearing headphones that has good audio and bass

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 8 - reinoe vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/zYTSZhKJlTk)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 9 - TrueLight vs Dol (https://youtu.be/Fn8Sn_ILyig)


It's a lot sharper and clearer! Took me a second to recognize it was actually YOU, but it's really good nevertheless!
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Post by: TrueLight on July 02, 2015, 08:59:38 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 10 - StarRacer vs Barren (https://youtu.be/l452aiJBAag)
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Post by: Barren on July 03, 2015, 06:42:47 am
That took some doing considering how evasive your thief was but my team but the job done. It did a good job holding up but in the end my speed advantage cam into play. GG Star Racer. GL in the next tourney you enter.


Looks like I'm up against my old rival TrueLight. We both have similar tastes in strategies except you rely on more raw damage both close and long range and stop status than I do don't act and elemental absorb. I do have a few tricks up my sleeve though so except my team to make yours work hard for your victory. It's a shame that we have to meet this early in the loser's bracket, but hey our roads to cross again so let's battle! Best of luck to you
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Post by: Barren on July 03, 2015, 02:03:46 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 11 - fattyzilla vs skiploom188 (https://youtu.be/nhvgspxyLgo)

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 12 - Rouroni Elmdor vs Vireblaze (https://youtu.be/cfXrapwVppA)
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Post by: skiploom188 on July 03, 2015, 10:13:15 pm
Fun match fattyzilla! Hmmm I should solve that problem with Charm and my Samurai going full speed ahead. My Paladins could use some work too.

Bye guys...
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Post by: Shintroy on July 04, 2015, 02:37:42 am
Melee team vs Defensive team
Betting on fattyzilla due to skiploom having two item bot paladins that are likely to wastes turns using item.

R1 - Intense round. Fattyzilla's SP and mobility advantage was used against him here. Skiploom was able to tank the charmed samurai due to everyone being boxed in. All of that tanking combined with MA and PA saved made this hard for fattyzilla to take with his seperated units.

R2 - Charmed Samurai MVP. Were those Chiris good or best compat? Talk about a taste of your own medicine.

R3 - This time skiploom's team got separated. It was over almost from the start due to the bard and samurai being downed.

GG. If skiploom had a 10+ SP unit instead of two paladin item bots this would've been an even better match


Mimic summon vs Water Absorb
Betting on mime this time. Not just because I always bet on mine, but because I don't think Vireblaze will be able to keep up with the mimic summons. I don't think counter magic will come into play this time either due to having 5 Move units.

R1 - Pretty unlucky round for Vireblaze. Oil procced Ninja followed by a missed wish? That's one too many missed opportunities against a mime team that makes the most out of their turns while on offense.

R2 - Nice opening from both sides. Rouroni was able to get Silf x2 off without any chance at counter magic going off due to blackmail. The following bandage to make sure maelstrom went off helped keep him in the match.... Never mind. A few turns later mimic moogle and salamander made it unwinnable.

GG. Not enough SP or status to make phoenix down and wish revival work. Rouroni's stategy went unchallenged the entire time.


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Edit I heard the difference in the mic when youtube auto played S3 matches. Sounds a lot clearer now for sure.

Good Luck to everyone that made it into R3
Glad there's a mime on both sides of the bracket. Would've preferred two mimes in winners though. Super biased towards mimes
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Post by: Zotis on July 04, 2015, 03:30:40 am
The new mic is working out great Barren.
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Post by: Barren on July 05, 2015, 08:42:57 am
Here's my match before I set out for vacation. Gaignun you might be needed for the loser's bracket actually since I'm assuming right now silentkaster is unable to host. I would get in touch with mudvayne and see if you guys can work out who does what number of matches. Until then enjoy the rest of the tournament

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 25 - Andante49 vs Reks (https://youtu.be/BNm5XP6A0mQ)
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Post by: Elmdork on July 05, 2015, 09:22:26 am
Just wanted to say I appreciate you taking up the extra matches, Barren. You're still the hardest working man in ffta. Also a bit late, but great work on the ladder, andante. It's all neat and pretty.

Oh, and that was wonderfully hilarious, skip. I watch every one several times.

Damn, I was seriously fearing that wizard but I guess it worked out for me somehow. Sometimes I'm in awe at how my team behaves, they are particularly clever for a team, let alone a mime team. Didn't get that refute haste/regen though. It would make sense if the following mimic hit, but she refutes herself and then moves to a panel she can't mimic.. too odd. My guess is she found what she considers to be the ideal turn order.. but the ai will quickening spam forever if you let it, so why lose haste for any reason at all?

GG, vireblaze. Definitely had me scared there, but I suppose this is the way the cookie crumbles. hope to see you around for the regular season.


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Post by: Shintroy on July 05, 2015, 12:17:54 pm
Quote from: Barren on July 05, 2015, 08:42:57 am
Here's my match before I set out for vacation. Gaignun you might be needed for the loser's bracket actually since I'm assuming right now silentkaster is unable to host. I would get in touch with mudvayne and see if you guys can work out who does what number of matches. Until then enjoy the rest of the tournament

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 25 - Andante49 vs Reks (https://youtu.be/BNm5XP6A0mQ)



Brutal. Reks lost this convincingly due to his samurai having Muramasa and Chirijiraden. Haven't seen someone lose to a bad filler choice this late before. RIP.

GJ to Andante making it to winners finals. I think you have a better chance vs Mudvayne than I do, but I have a better chance against you than Mudvayne. I don't agree with triangles.


Here come the nerves.
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Post by: Reks on July 05, 2015, 01:55:05 pm
Quote from: Shintroy on July 05, 2015, 12:17:54 pm

Brutal. Reks lost this convincingly due to his samurai having Muramasa and Chirijiraden. Haven't seen someone lose to a bad filler choice this late before. RIP.

GJ to Andante making it to winners finals. I think you have a better chance vs Mudvayne than I do, but I have a better chance against you than Mudvayne. I don't agree with triangles.


Here come the nerves.

Mura was there just in case so she didn't hit her teammates in the face with Chiri like she did in the team's tests.

Welp. That happened. GG Andante.
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Post by: Shintroy on July 05, 2015, 03:44:20 pm
Geomancer's a oddly balanced class where the genders don't have the same move. It'd be pretty for female geomancers to have 4 move since they'd be able to get 18 MA easily.

It'd be pretty funny if you didn't run into any tornado or quake this entire tournament though. There hasn't been a lot of quake, but tornado is everywhere.

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All this time I thought female geomancer had 3 move.
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Post by: Kurosabes on July 05, 2015, 05:23:55 pm
This is probably an error in the Master Guide. The gender's stats are linked in FFTPatcher for all jobs except Bard and Dancer.
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Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on July 07, 2015, 06:45:02 pm
quick question. Does mimic abilities trigger reaction abilities?
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Post by: Barren on July 07, 2015, 06:50:54 pm
No they don't. Just actions
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Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on July 07, 2015, 07:19:56 pm
Well, my next match might be a lot more harder then.
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Post by: Barren on July 07, 2015, 07:28:36 pm
Basically if you look at some of Rouroni Elmdor's matches the samurai casted summon magic first before counter magic triggers. Mimed actions doesn't trigger reaction abilities.
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Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on July 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
Yeah, I was just hoping it did trigger reaction abilities because it would make my match easier.
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Post by: Shintroy on July 07, 2015, 09:24:08 pm
Mimicked actions do trigger reaction abilities, but reaction abilities don't trigger mimic. If Rouroni's Samurai counter magic'd a spell the mimes won't mimic that. If a mime mimics something like Thunder Flare reactions will be triggered.

Counter Magic is so strong against Rouroni's team because there's always a chance of getting hit by three stronger Bahamuts.

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Mime Stall vs Water Absorb
My team has a bad match up vs aoe and heavy caster teams especially on medium sized maps. GL to me because Mudvayne has the advantage.

R1 - Great opener getting three quickenings at the start and a sleep. Got a 3 unit sleep on the side, but wasn't able to take out the Ninja due to absorbing wind and not being able to use repeating fist. unlucky mimic backfires when the chemist and mime started to wake up everyone. Things got scary when the Time Mage went down with the Petrified monk. Really lucky the chemist reached the monk and the Mime didn't go down to status. Really lucky come back. Thank you quickening and mime.

R2 - Good opening for Mudvayne getting rid of the Monk early. No quickenings from the monk makes this kind of match up hell on a small map. The team keeps it together with status, mimic stop and that nether fire redirect.

GG. Really good match. Got me sweating R1. Regen saved me so many turns here. MVP definitely goes to Kiyomori and Masamune. Winners Finals here I come.

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Post by: TrueLight on July 07, 2015, 09:30:44 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 26 - Shintroy vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/npmXIgtXTHE)
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Post by: Barren on July 07, 2015, 09:52:48 pm
congrats shintroy for making it to the semi finals. You'll have your hands full against andante's team. Best of luck. We will see if a mime can be a champion


As for the last winner's bracket match I can do it after I get back from the connection convention in Connecticut.
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Post by: reinoe on July 08, 2015, 07:04:55 am
Quote from: TrueLight on July 07, 2015, 09:30:44 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 26 - Shintroy vs Mudvayne (https://youtu.be/npmXIgtXTHE)

Huge momentum swings in both of these rounds.  Especially Round 1.  I thought for sure Mudvayne had it after the Time Mage Crystallized but then like a doofus the Oracle used Dia on the Mime when either reviving the archer or using esuna on the ninja would have won the round.

Then in Round 2 the ninja decided to go for a weapon break instead of seal evil.

Both decisions cost Mudvayne the rounds especially the round one.

Incredibly impressive comeback for Shintroy.
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Post by: Elmdork on July 08, 2015, 09:01:45 am
Oh, my samurai senses are tingling.. ya'll weren't talking about me were you? <3

You will indeed get all your reaction abilities from a mimed action, but something nasty like counter magic will not allow reactions. Counter-counters would be fun, but this ain't disgaia or I'd throw 6 penguins named "Bahamut" at you. Good luck in our next match, fattyzilla! Since every match could be our last, I'd like to request "black Betty" by ram jam if commentary isn't possible. If I go out, it's gotta be with a bram-ba-lam.

Oh daaaaaamn! Mimes ftw. I took a blind bet on shintroy making finals with his mime team, and it's paying off. Still one more tough fight to go, but I have faith. Thought it would be one ticket to the underworld when that ninja soloed that monk and TM, but that mime solos whole teams. Definite MVP, and if shintroy makes finals we can safely say that mime is MVP of the tournament, no foolin'. The only thing that worries me is the overabundance of non-lethal abilities on that monk. S magic, chakra, revive can be bad enough at holding a monk back, but the thief abilities make it even tougher for him to do his job, though the quickening is totally necessary.

Sorry, mudvayne it's down to the pits with the rest of us, and the rumors are true. It's a complete fucking bloodbath down here.


wow, what a fast match. Had a hard time keeping up. I'm hoping silentkaster and I will eat up both ends of the losers bracket and meet again for an epic rematch (as we should have met this way to begin with. It was like being matched with your friend in the gladiatorial arena, see Spartacus for details), but I gotta chew through fattyzila, ct5 holy barren or TL.... yeah not likely, but I'll hope dammit. GG guys


Edit: Also, I know you're lurking FF master (samurai sense) so thanks for making this symphony of madness and destruction possible.
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Post by: Shintroy on July 08, 2015, 11:43:41 am

At this point, I'm fighting for 2nd place. As Barren said, Andante's got a hard counter on my team so it looks like there's going to have another 2-0 sweep of the winner's bracket this year. Not even mad though since I got proven wrong about Lancer not making it into top 8.

If reinoe's team was how he intended it to be I wouldn't have made it this far. A team that's immune to Stop, Sleep, Don't Act AND Slow?! NO GG


If SP altering abilities get removed in 140, I hope Mime gets access to shields since mimes can use them without problems unlike weapons. That or Mimes get 9 base SP.

Even though I always bet on Mime, and still am, I'm more worried about who has to fight CT5Holy afterward. Not even going to even wonder what happens if one of you beats Holy and has to fight Barren, Truelight, or Vigilante. Definitely not thinking about the possibility of fighting Reks or the winner from the other side of the bracket. ;) I'm taking second so I'll stop there. Good luck to you two though. I love me some upsets.
Don't let Barren get to me I'm counting on you guys.

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Fast status team vs Balanced Team.
No reason for that paladin to have 7 SP. Automatically siding with silentkaster since he'll have so much of a turn advantage with status and speed stacking up.

R1 - Great opener for Lakitu with the Quake and Holy KOs. silentkaster's 14 SP miem almost brings it back with siome support and disruption. Really surprised Lakitu took this so convincingly.

R2 - triple sleep... 250+ Tornado on all units....  Two units didn't even get to play. I love it.

R3 - Great opening for silentkaster with an opening charm and downed scholar. Lakitu had the damage to make the comeback. Basically a 3v4 since the 7 SP paladin didn't get to do anything. Would've been a great round if it weren't for the paladin.

GG. That Mediator/White Magic unit's is always a treat. I wonder if there's anything game changing mediator can do with 70 faith. Maybe a 10 speed spell gun / time magic unit with no silence protection or something.

Good stuff Lakitu. First team ever? Almost beat a top player with 3 units? Hope you make more teams m8.

R3 -


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Post by: Mudvayne on July 08, 2015, 02:37:38 pm
FFT Arena Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #13 Silentkaster vs Lakitu673 (https://youtu.be/tC3-dXCdbYg)

GG. The rng did not want me winning round 1. Lots of dont acts missing ands lots of sleeps landing. I'm not sure how different things would have been in a round 3 but I'd have loved to of seen one. Oh well. Time to crack some skulls in the losers bracket! ;)
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Post by: silentkaster on July 08, 2015, 08:12:24 pm
Wow. When I saw two of my units go down abruptly in R3 I thought it was over. Holy against my mediator was huge. But I guess Raise 2 was also big for me. Ugh nail biter there. GG Lakitu (btw I always thought it was pronounced Lack-eh-too...have I been saying it wrong all these years?) My next match up is against my sister...oh boy :/


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Post by: Lakitu673 on July 09, 2015, 10:58:48 am
Good match silentkaster. R3 I thought for sure I was going to lose, then thought for sure I was going to win and then cursing my phone as my priest casted a raise and walked into range of the archer.

To answer shintroy this is my first (but not last) Arena team. I did have some good advice from Barren, most of which I took. When he suggested I put a Zephyr Shield on the paladin, I was all, "nah, I'd rather have the PA."
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Post by: Barren on July 09, 2015, 11:23:42 am
You didn't do too bad Lakitu for your first time. It just that to me the lack of speed on your paladin is what cost you in the end because there could have been times where those southern crosses could really wreck house. maybe even sprint shoes if you want your paladin to be a bit faster. Or if you wanted to keep the 4 move with float Ice Brand + Kaiser Plate is another decent option so that way you can swap out the black robe for something else. But no worries, you'll get better
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Post by: Lakitu673 on July 09, 2015, 12:22:57 pm
I did a lot better than I thought I would. I'll make some tweaks and then post this team on the Team Submission thread. Anyway good luck to everyone else left
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Post by: Elmdork on July 09, 2015, 07:36:23 pm
To those of us who've been doing this for a while, it's common knowledge, but there are a lot of new players so I feel it worth mentioning:

Speed is the most important statistic a unit has and the ai knows it.

to put into perspective:

a 7 speed unit gets his turn in 14.28 ticks
an 8 speed unit gets his turn in 12.5 ticks
a 10 speed unit gets his turn in 10 ticks
a 12 speed unit gets his turn in  8.3 ticks
a 16 speed unit gets their turn in 6.25 ticks

(if u wanna know how many ticks, divide 100 (max ct) by your speed. Super simple)

Contrary to popular belief, it's not about the frequency of double turns (though the more the merrier of course) but more about dealing damage/statii first, forcing opposing teams to heal that damage/statii with their turn disadvantage. Every turn an 18 pa monk uses stigma magic is a turn he's not punching you, and that matters. Eventually you will get your double turn and that's when you overload the enemy's priorities and stick them in permanent sandbag mode. Of course nothing is set in stone and just speed stacking will definitely not assure you victory, but it's definitely effective so long as you can make good use of your extra turns.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 10, 2015, 07:33:08 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #15 TrueLight vs Barren  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMYKVlTjMg0)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #16 fattyzilla vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8adyLsbmB1Y)
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Post by: Barren on July 10, 2015, 08:04:30 am
first round got me really nervous because of projectile guard not hitting that I was going to lose. But thankfully some timely turns on my AI's part I was able to disable most of TrueLight's units. It just took longer due to me missing talk skills early on. Round 3 had me even more nervous because of the double stop proc. Thank god my ninja stayed alive long enough to be a distraction. GG TrueLight. Another hard fought battle
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Post by: Shintroy on July 10, 2015, 09:52:07 am
Speed/Status vs Air Absorb
Anyone can take this one. Scholars don't really have problems casting around high speed units. GL to both. Hoping the relic thief takes it.

R1. Even start with one unit going down on each team. Barren gets put in a nasty kiyomori stop spin cycle with Truelight's Mediator keeping the two units disabled. Pretty sure at this high level there's no coming back especially in 4v3 in Truelight's favor.

R2 - Great opening for Barren this time. The same thing happened this round except in Barren's favor.

R3 - I think Truelight lost as soon as his Time Mage went down while poisoned. Yup a 1v4.

GG. The AI didn't fool around this match. Each turn went exactly how it should have with no AI screw ups. RIP 2H Thief.

Looks like Barren and CT5Holy have another shot at going at it. Let me see this Rouroni match first.


Summon Mime vs Unfinished Balanced Physical team.
calling it for rouroni. Fattyzilla has a shot though. his team's unfinished, but it's still preddy strong. If fattyzilla manages to get past the summons and charm he's golden.

R1 - This map already looked like it already took one too many mega flares and tidal waves. Look at that water damaged floor. The first half of the round fattyzill'a units took the direct approach.It was probably the paladin's idea because after he crystallized the team started slowly pulling it together. Oh wait. Wow No MP on the Samurais? Sick comeback. Rouroni almost held it together, but his mime chose not to finish off the chemiston while he was in critical on a panel the monk couldn't get to. Guess the water damage was from mime tears.

R2 - Amazing round. Fattyzilla almost manages to come back again when that paladin gets back up after like 60 turns.

R3 - fattyzilla's luck runs out here. the summons all landed this time.not much you can do while your chemist is stopped and your other units are stuck in critical with no revival

GG. Very intense game. These incomplete teams woulda been terrifying if they weren't incomplete. RIP. Mime moves ON. Will Rouroni take out another legendary gladiator? the next bracket has everything from sibling rivalry to mime revenge drama. I can't take it.
I rlly rlly don't want to fight air absorb guys
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Post by: TrueLight on July 10, 2015, 10:22:47 am
Heh. Three straight tournaments where I have to face Barren at some point. Got really lucky in round one where my Archer hit right through Projectile Guard. Time Mage and Mediator did a good job keeping Barren's unit disabled enough for my Thief to slash them down. Scholar having best compat with both my attackers plus the small map really did me in on round two. Tornado too strong. Tried to make a comeback in round three, but Mediator missing her Blackmail resulted in two dead units for me. My team couldn't recover from that. 

Great game Barren, you have bested me once again. Good luck in your future matches.
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Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on July 10, 2015, 04:08:27 pm
Yeah, I wish I would've did some testing and revising with my team but I kinda just threw out there hoping for the best. Also, the reason my chemist was unfinished was because I wrote in the secondary abilities part wrong (Dumb me). He was supposed to have archer abilities like armor break and execute. Well, ggs to Rouroni. Your team was too strong for me even with all the luck I had in the first round.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 11, 2015, 07:53:21 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #19 Vigilanti vs Barren (https://youtu.be/YeWrirXz3jk)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #20 CT5Holy vs Rouroni Elmdor  (https://youtu.be/t9HwAQXikwk)
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Post by: Reks on July 11, 2015, 08:07:46 am
Round 1: Very fast sweep here. Sleep and Don't Act crippled Barren early, and those insta-Holies. Just add paranoia!

Round 2: Much smaller map with Barren's Tornado Scholar? Vigilante didn't have a chance here with all of them boxed in behind the counter.

Round 3: That initial sleep outright sealed it for Vigilanti. Congrats Barren, and you had a good game too, Vigilanti!


Hate to say it, but I wished CT5 had taken this. No offense to your team, Rouroni, I'm just tired of seeing Bahamut :P

Round 1: CT5 Samurai best tank of the year. Too bad he didn't have better Revive(al). He MIGHT have been more effective that way, seeing as R.E.'s team has no status recovery.

Round 2: Always love seeing reflected spells. No Bahamut = neutralizer for Rouroni, and once round of mimed summons isn't quite enough: you need those consecutive 6 artillery strikes.

Round 3: I prefer Zodiac if  I'm gonna summon spam. Guarantees you hit everyone with that massive AoE and infinite Vertical, even if it lacks the damage of Bahamut (faster animation too)

Alas, Congrats Rouroni and hate to see you go, CT5. Would loved to have had a match against you.
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Post by: Barren on July 11, 2015, 08:17:12 am
with the video being mess than 7 minutes tells me that our match was a slaughter and it indeed was. Those talk skills really helped out. Those holy spells of yours were quite devastating but thankfully my own spells pulled through. GG vigilanti. That was a bloodbath


I think I'm screwed
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Post by: Shintroy on July 11, 2015, 08:56:10 am

6 Minute video? Probably a minute long if you don't count the intro. My money's on Barren.

R1 - Starts off slow. But double holy takes it

R2 - Leave it to tornado on a small map to even the score

R3 - It's over after the triple sleep.

GG. Didn't think this was 3 rounds long.




I think Barren spoiled Rouroni winning. I bet on mime either way
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Post by: Elmdork on July 11, 2015, 06:53:12 pm
Woah double feature?! Didn't see that coming. Thanks Gaigun for picking up some matches, the quality is excellent and I particularly enjoyed the armored core tunes. Something really right about the load out music on the load out screen.

R1:
(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/08/08000891bc5fbfdda9eee081195d2cf5c7b24f89e253f16b212dfc7693e8cd2e.jpg)

R2:
(http://new2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/I+ve+got+this+_157856a8254683248d9db65700ec2f4e.gif)

R3:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/58078ab6f6c4050d2fc77c3156f72352/tumblr_n1vzu4VlO71slk10yo1_1280.gif)


well shit. I'm on cloud nine. Have a pretty lousy w/l ratio against ct5holy, but hey, that happened. barren did kind of spoil the surprise though. GG, man. Really gave me a run for my money. Speaking of money, shintroy and I are making a killing on our bets. I'm coming for you, bro.
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Post by: Barren on July 11, 2015, 08:01:38 pm
Yes sorry about that. I watched my match then your match rouroni and I didn't realize that I was spoiling it until everyone else saw it. So my bad on that one
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 12, 2015, 11:49:55 am
Sorry for the delayed posting of my matches, guys.

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4  Losers Bracket Match #14 - Jumza vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/AikJR4JPp_I)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #17 - RedWorld vs Silentkaster (http://youtu.be/QEpIRw1EQLk)


So as to not spoil match #14, I will not post match #18 until tomorrow.
Reading the title of match #18 would give away who won match #14, obviously, so that's why I'm not posting it right away.
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Post by: Heroebal on July 12, 2015, 02:10:46 pm

Really close match up came down to lucky procs going off. Jumza's Monk was making quick work of my undead units and the chemist/archer for that matter. I think that's the first time my archer finally had a hurricane proc go off this tournament.



Was a really uphill battle for Redworld, seemed like she needed to get procs off asap or it was GG with that speed adv.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 12, 2015, 03:46:41 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #22 Barren vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/F65VdP59MQg)
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Post by: Barren on July 12, 2015, 05:57:19 pm
knew I was screwed. GG Rouroni
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Post by: Shintroy on July 13, 2015, 03:56:34 am

Barren's team's preddy strong for an absorb team, but I never bet against mime unless it's against mime.

R1 - Probably the best opener in S4 so far. I don't see Barren coming back from this even though his scholar could 2 shot the entire team.

R2 - Would've been an even start if the Monk didn't get HP restore triggered. No coming back from Barren's status for Rouroni

R3 - Just like Round 3, Barren's team move in just to get blown up by Bahamut. No HP restore from the monk, and the double turning mediator doesn't land her mimic daravon? Looks like this is over.

GG. Another short and intense match. I didn't think Rouroni's team would counter Barren's due to having a huge advantage on large and medium sized maps. Not even counting the Salamander oil procs.

I wouldn't mind if my team lost to rouroni's since his mime team has a better chance at beating Andante's team than mine.
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Post by: Elmdork on July 13, 2015, 05:05:36 am
I was pretty nervous coming into this one, Barren had one of the strongest teams in the tournament. Luckily my team is strong against faster teams, I think malroth would have stuck around longer if his team was 8 speed. GG, man.

Still got to chew through reks, mudvayne and whatever gets spat out of the other end, and if it happens to be DW or silentkaster, I'm toast. You're still in the winner's bracket, shintroy, so I don't wanna see you throw your hands up unless you're casting something. I got good money riding on you.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 13, 2015, 02:55:22 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #24 Reks vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/OhOEynggYto)
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Post by: Shintroy on July 13, 2015, 04:34:33 pm
Summon Mime vs Balanced Caster
I'd bet on Reks if it weren't for him going on Rouroni and Mime. Looks like an even match up. It all comes down whether or not Reks's team can dish out enough damage to compete with Rouroni

R1 - It didn't look good for Rouroni at the start since his team almost got soloed by Chiri and Geomancy. As soon as Reks's team caught up it was over. Not entirely bad since the Squire did miss all of his attacks.

R2 - ...Suddenly Bizen Boat. Calling it curtains for Rouroni this round.

R3 - Great music during the 3+ unit, 6 summon magic barrage. Rouroni's Geomancers are still up so he still has a shot.... Never mind

GG. If Rouroni keeps winning so convincingly Mime's going to get nerfs, not buffs. Not even mad. Bring on the nerfs because Mime's taking this tournament.
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Post by: Reks on July 13, 2015, 05:33:11 pm
Quote from: Shintroy on July 13, 2015, 04:34:33 pm
Summon Mime vs Balanced Caster
I'd bet on Reks if it weren't for him going on Rouroni and Mime. Looks like an even match up. It all comes down whether or not Reks's team can dish out enough damage to compete with Rouroni

R1 - It didn't look good for Rouroni at the start since his team almost got soloed by Chiri and Geomancy. As soon as Reks's team caught up it was over. Not entirely bad since the Squire did miss all of his attacks.

R2 - ...Suddenly Bizen Boat. Calling it curtains for Rouroni this round.

R3 - Great music during the 3+ unit, 6 summon magic barrage. Rouroni's Geomancers are still up so he still has a shot.... Never mind

GG. If Rouroni keeps winning so convincingly Mime's going to get nerfs, not buffs. Not even mad. Bring on the nerfs because Mime's taking this tournament.


I knew I was going to lose, but at the same time you can't call it 'convincingly' because I took a round from him when almost all of his previous matches were 2/0s.

Nevertheless, I was probably the only team that COULD have stopped you at this point, Rouroni. GG, and while I hate the Bahamut spam (purely because it takes forever) I'm betting on YOU now.
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 13, 2015, 08:43:56 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match # 18 - DW6561 vs Heroebal (http://youtu.be/MnpTUhENPIU)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #21 - Silentkaster vs DW6561/Heroebal (http://youtu.be/rw2iziJGW7g)

Didn't wanna wait to post match 21 and also didn't wanna spoil match 18. Tried my best. Enjoy.
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Post by: Elmdork on July 13, 2015, 08:47:29 pm
Wow too much! I'm gonna have a heart attack! The ace combat end theme is one of my favourite pieces of VG music. Katamari is also awesome and totally appropriate, thanks gaigun!

I just ate a bracket of murderers... and I'm still hungry..

When I saw that first map I said to myself "oh fuck" I knew that geomancer would give me a hard time. I didn't think I would take that round.. or this game at all. Win or lose, I have achieved my victory condition. GG reks, I know it's not how you wanted to go out, but damn that was a close match.

I'm honored ya'll got your bets on me, but we gotta see what comes out of the other bracket. The next counter magic unit I cross will be my last.
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Post by: Heroebal on July 13, 2015, 10:42:33 pm
Damn I knew I was in trouble as soon as I saw that 6min timer that had scholar trouble written all over it. I'm pretty happy making it past the 3 rounds in the bottom bracket for a first run of ffHacktics tournament. 


I think there are 5 teams remaining if I'm counting correctly.
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Post by: silentkaster on July 13, 2015, 11:50:20 pm
How did I miss three Raise 2s and almost every arm aim and still pull off the victory? That my friends, was pure luck and I'm grateful I took even one round. GG.

I face Mudvayne next. This may be the end of the line for me. His team is pretty tough...and he was the first to take down OHKO. Best of luck, Mudvayne.
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Post by: dw6561 on July 14, 2015, 02:20:15 am

I'm surprised I sweeped this one! GG.

It was very brutal for those cursed ring units out there. Once they were dead, it didn't seem like the archer and chemist could self-sustain for very long.

Yeah, I suppose I could have given my ninja some extra status curing items, but it was sort of a last minute addition and I didn't know how it was going to affect his AI. And I truly thought stigma magic would be enough when designing my team, but now I know better.



My team did well staying alive in the first round, but the combination of speed and raise 2 sandbagging eventually wore them down. I probably wouldn't have won even if that last tornado had gone off.

Round 2 was more brutal. It was it a smaller map and thus silentkaster's team got to mine before I could blink. My team just doesn't hold up against a team that can outpace my tornadoes and high level cure spells.

PS: It looks like the RNG curse has been passed on...



Also, who is this "he" you speak of?  ;)


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Post by: Barren on July 14, 2015, 07:45:01 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Match # 27 - Andante49 vs Shintroy (https://youtu.be/nFXMcFr5oHQ)

If you want to hear my commentary better either have your speakers or headphones plugged in
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Post by: Shintroy on July 14, 2015, 08:30:53 am
Status Mime vs Tanky Team
Went into this thinking I had absolutely no chance at winning due to Andante being immune to so many status effects. Didn't expect to take a game let alone a 2-0.

R1 - Starts off with 10 minutes of sandbagging with a couple of status effects thrown in to keep me in the game. Sleeping Andante's monk and archer proved by be fatal since those two units are all of Andantes stopping power. Not going to lie, after it was just my Mime left I thought it was over, but then when my Monk got up I remembered why I named the Mime "Two Can Win". Talk about best case scenario this round. Having regen on the entire time, the Andante's Time Mage staying down due to poison, and so many other factors. Amazing round for mime.

R2 - As Barren said, I had a great opener in this round and Andante didn't really get a chance for his units to separate. If it weren't for silentkaster suggesting more speed on the chemist i could've lost this round because the chemist's turns perfectly countered Andante's offense.

GG. Confidence is through the roof now and even better since I've taken the winners side of the bracket, Rouroni can meet me in the grand finals to secure a mime team taking the entire thing. It's perfect. Just two more wins Rouroni.

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Post by: Elmdork on July 14, 2015, 09:28:30 am
First off: Wow.
Second off: Holy shit.

My second biggest bet has paid off. It was a blind bet on shintroy's mime team making finals. Didn't see a unit or even guarantee he'd use a mime. Unfortunately my next bet will make us both sad. Silentkaster will eat his side of the bracket and defeat me in the ultimate revenge match of the year. This battle means more to me than even the finals. Only a human can defeat a monster.

He will then go on to claim glory, but I will root for mime til' the end.

edit: But yo, if I make it to the finals with shintroy, someone needs to play "TANK" from the cowboy bebop soundtrack and we will make a mockery of this establishment together.
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 14, 2015, 10:23:35 am
Hax. MVP of the tourney for sure.


Don't count me out of this yet! I think I have a great shot against silentkaster and rouroni but we'll just have to wait and see. 


Who's going to record mine and silentkasters match btw?
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Post by: silentkaster on July 14, 2015, 12:53:11 pm
Quote from: Mudvayne on July 14, 2015, 10:23:35 am

Who's going to record mine and silentkasters match btw?


I don't know, but regardless of how it goes, I'd love to see a Skiploom movie of our match. :D (if up to it of course)
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Post by: Barren on July 14, 2015, 01:03:34 pm
If the match is up next then I suppose I can record mudvayne vs silentkaster today
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Post by: silentkaster on July 14, 2015, 01:53:20 pm
Okay awesome Barren. May I request Street Fighter 2 music for the match? If it's a bother or an inconvenience, no worries.
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Post by: Barren on July 14, 2015, 02:04:32 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Loser's Bracket Match # 23 - Mudvayne vs silentkaster (https://youtu.be/0HkqAln3uX4)

I already did the match silentkaster and it has different music. Sorry man

Also I went back to my old mic setup because the new one I bought wasn't as good as I thought it was. I managed to figure out the issues with my old mic anyways. So as long as you have speakers or headphones plugged into your computer/laptop you'll be able to hear my commentary clear as day
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Post by: Shintroy on July 14, 2015, 03:43:15 pm
Ice Absorb vs Fast Status
No idea who's going to win this. I do believe it's going to come down to who draws first blood.

R1 - Great start by silentkaster. Things went from worse to worst really quick. Mudvayne doesn't have the status or burst damage to come back from such an opener, especially at such a sever speed disadvantage.

R2 - Not a fair map since Mudvayne start off on higher ground combined with a bow user. Either way, Silentkaster has a gun to compete with mudvayne's advantage here. Evenly matched at the start, but silentkaster's speed combined with raise 2 made this an uphill battle for Mudvayne.

GG. Mudvayne's opening turns weren't as good as silenkaster's. Mudvayne's ninja seemed to be the weakest link on his team due his fuuton meant to self heal instead wasting turns. I actually forgot he was a Kagesougi Ninja until round 2.

Good stuff either way. Looking forward to the runback between silentkaster and Rouroni. Will Rouroni keep silentkaster in his place as a bad match up or will silentkaster be able to pile on the status early into the rounds? E x c i t e d.
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Post by: silentkaster on July 14, 2015, 04:55:43 pm
when I saw the maps, I figured I had a decent advantage on R1 but a significant disadvantage on Round 2. I got very lucky with my Raise 2s and Petrify procs. GG Mudvayne...

Rematch time. If nothing else, our Round one matches were pretty darn epic. I think that we both have a good chance of advancing, though my non existent magic evade makes you a favorite. Good luck either way man.
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 14, 2015, 10:32:46 pm
Oh well. I had a good run for my first tourney I think. My team had a few critical errors and they still performed well. With some tweaking I think they may have been able to make it a little farther but I digress. GG Silentkaster, I lost to a worthy opponent.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 14, 2015, 11:37:05 pm
Oh my goodness.  I recorded and edited a Mudvayne/silentkaster match, as well, but had to give my computer surgery before uploading because my PSU went kaputt.

No big deal.  I'll upload my video to the videos thread after the tournament is over.
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Post by: Andante49 on July 14, 2015, 11:50:03 pm
Didn't want to say anything to jinx it but, it all came down to coin flips. Projectile Guard keeping the monk alive or the mime hitting her talk skills. I lost both and was kept in status cleaning duty until the monk revived to win the match. R2 was over once the initial sleep hit. GG Shintroy, it looks like the year of the mime is coming true.


Speed and debilitating status still proving to be super effective. Great showing for Mudvayne, first time or not making the top five is never easy to do.
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 15, 2015, 10:25:45 am
Quote from: Gaignun on July 14, 2015, 11:37:05 pm
Oh my goodness.  I recorded and edited a Mudvayne/silentkaster match, as well, but had to give my computer surgery before uploading because my PSU went kaputt.

No big deal.  I'll upload my video to the videos thread after the tournament is over.

Please tell me Silentkaster at least beat me out in your recorded match also?  :P
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Post by: Gaignun on July 15, 2015, 04:19:51 pm
You'll have to wait and see!  All I will say now is that it is the most entertaining match I recorded thus far.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 15, 2015, 08:15:29 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Match #25 silentkaster vs Rouroni Elmdor (https://youtu.be/J4mLQfxregs)
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Post by: silentkaster on July 15, 2015, 09:06:27 pm
Wow. That...was unexpected. Scholar is definitely MVP or at least was that time. I thought I might do okay on the Lesalia map since Elmdor's units kind of start off seperated. But never ever did I think I could hope to win Zeakden with all the units bunched up like that. GG man...1 for 1 I guess right?

Andante is next...that's a scary team too. Ohhhh boy.


Thanks for the music!!
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Post by: Elmdork on July 15, 2015, 09:41:17 pm
Thanks again, gaigun!

aaaw it's my birthday too XD

I knew you could do it, man. I'm proud to consider you a rival. This is how we should have met in the first place, but I'm kind of glad things played out the way they did, just look at the ladder on challonge, LOOK AT IT! In both rounds some nasty disruption happens and my team gets gimped early. Mimic backfire masamune and fail refute (first time ever BTW) really put the final nail in the coffin. Much closer match than it appears, a hit charm and mimic daravon fail is all the opening I needed to get my shots in, but it didn't play out like that.

GG, brother. my money is and always has been on you, so it takes the sting out a bit (just a bit)

Shintroy, you got your hands full, but prove me wrong and take gold for mime. The odds were just too stacked against me this time to have the mimals with you. Next year will be even better, promise ;)
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Post by: Shintroy on July 16, 2015, 10:47:53 am


R1 - Started off slightly in Rouroni's favor followed by RNG not wanting any status to take part in the match. Not a whole lot of AoE or status on Rouroni's side. Up against Raise 2 too? GG at the petrify.

R2 - Brutal. Rouroni's team didn't get the huge targeting they needed to keep silentkaster's team back.

GG. Just couldn't gain any momentum or great openers this time. No worries Rouroni. You probably had the biggest upsets of the tournament and I'll be sure not to let it go to waste. Happy belated, and to quote a famous mime
                             !


I think silentkaster has the advantage due to having a good combination of damage sources, status, and probably the biggest threat, Raise 2. Andante does have Slow 2 to even things up though. No telling what will happen

Is it possible to win this without fighting either team? Not looking forward to a grand finals and having to possibly play on 3 medium sized maps.
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Post by: skiploom188 on July 16, 2015, 12:11:26 pm
I was like "WAIT A MINUTE! you two had a second encounter?" That's pretty cool. I remembered your first battle together very clearly, I even made something out of it lol. And it's pretty epic to see the parallels between the two matches you had. In Match 1 it started on an icy field, and ended on a town setting. And in this match the reverse happened. Very poetic right there...

Hehe I thought it was worth pointing out :D

silentkaster, you keep winning and you will be a synonym of DomieV  ;)
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 16, 2015, 08:55:21 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Losers Bracket Semi Finals - Andante49 vs Silentkaster (http://youtu.be/4X1QMrQudcU)

Shintroy. Dat mime... enough said.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 17, 2015, 12:57:50 am
Thanks Mudvayne.  It feels good drawing the loser's bracket to a close.
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Post by: Andante49 on July 17, 2015, 01:50:47 am
All the status with the strong scholar, and quickening to boot, had me really worried. R2 showed my team's weak sandbagging and vulnerability to AOE. Thankfully in R3 they stayed on the offensive for the majority of the time, and not bunching up too badly for the tornadoes let them take it down. GG silentkaster, really great team you put together and super impressive run in the loser's bracket.


If my archer can down the monk without wasting too many turns and the mime doesn't connect with too many talk skills, I should be able to down the chemist before the monk revives. It's a tall order to happen six times but, someone has put these uppity mimes in their place :P. Should be very exciting, good luck Shintroy. May the Almighty RNG decide who is worthy of greatness.
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Post by: Shintroy on July 17, 2015, 04:34:00 am
Fast Tanky Team vs Fast Status

R1 - Andante's team just out ranged silentkaster's this round. His mediator and thief didn't really get to do anything in this round.

R2 - silentkaster managed to overwhelm Andante this round. Not much else to say about it

R3 - Starts off pretty even. I think silentkaster's at a slight advantage since his scholar's going uncontested getting off free tornados. Somewhere around ten minutes later, both teams are still even. Andante's breaks added up and slowly eventually won the match for him.

GG and GJ to silentkaster to making it so far from a round 1 loss.


Well damn. It was as if my team was the RNGesus incarnate in the winner's finals landing great openers, projectile guard activating, and the monk getting back up with a good amount of HP. No idea what'll happen here. One thing I'm sure of though is these grand finals possibily taking over two hours. Not even going to wish good luck to the match, instead I'm going to wish good luck to whoever records the match. Hopefully I just take the first set so we can get back to exhibition matches. Looking forward to seeing all of these new and returning players taking names.


I hope this tournament is enough to prove speed altering could stand to be removed for a season. Please buff lancer and mime's speed to 9. Even though I'm really glad both classes made it to the top, I wish I didn't have to use quickening to make it this far.


I'm taking this for Unyielding. We'll show those other support skills what for.
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Post by: Barren on July 17, 2015, 07:37:41 am
Hats off to silentkaster making it this far. Hats off to Rouroni Elmdor for making an impression with his mime team and hats off to Shintroy and Andante49 for making it to the title match. I can do the final match this weekend. I think everyone in the top ten (including myself) should be feeling pretty good about their performance.

If anyone has any music request that can add to the epicness please by all means PM me your music idea and I will add to it.

Good luck Shintroy and Andante49, may the RNG gods bless you with its miracle
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Post by: silentkaster on July 17, 2015, 09:09:45 am
GJ Andante. Rounds 1 and 2 were so one sided that it was delightful to see both teams fighting so hard for victory. I wish I would have gone with Masamune on the Scholar like I had originally instead of haste because I think it would have served me better. Oh well, I will settle for Bronze this year and good luck to you both. My only disappointment is that I really really wanted to face Shintroy's team even if he slaughters me, but maybe next year :)
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 17, 2015, 12:34:05 pm
Quote from: Gaignun on July 17, 2015, 12:57:50 am
Thanks Mudvayne.  It feels good drawing the loser's bracket to a close.

I agree. Sorry it took so long to get done.

I really appreciate your help. After hearing Silentkaster wasn't going to be able to record matches, having (most of) the losers bracket by my self did not seem appealing. I sort of lost motivation to record for a little bit. It came back after I seen a few matches posted and knew I had to keep up with the flow of the videos or fall even further behind.
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Post by: Shintroy on July 17, 2015, 01:21:14 pm
Hoping to see grand finals only being 20 minutes long tomorrow. My nerves can't take a 10 rounder.
I would've rather fought silentkaster. I really wanted to see two teams heavy on the status effects go at it.
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Post by: Barren on July 17, 2015, 05:02:31 pm
If I don't have it up by this weekend expect it to be Tuesday the latest
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Post by: Mudvayne on July 17, 2015, 05:41:27 pm
Barren I can record it tomorrow for sure if youd like. Ill skip the commentary on this potentially long battle and add music. Let me know if you want me to go ahead and record tomorrow.
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Post by: Reks on July 17, 2015, 05:44:46 pm
I got far further than I thought I would, but I wasn't quite prepared for the speedy status some brought. GG to all of those I faced, and to those that beat me.

Looking forward to the next one. Don't expect to get as far, though.
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Post by: Barren on July 17, 2015, 06:06:33 pm
Quote from: Mudvayne on July 17, 2015, 05:41:27 pm
Barren I can record it tomorrow for sure if youd like. Ill skip the commentary on this potentially long battle and add music. Let me know if you want me to go ahead and record tomorrow.


I can take care of it. I have something very special in mind for the final match.
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Post by: Shintroy on July 19, 2015, 06:40:54 am
Had a nightmare Barren was started recording the match yesterday and got stuck recording the 12 hour fight. Woke up at 3 am and couldn't get back to sleep. To top it all off I lost.

The nerves never settle.
No Dudley players in top 8 USF4. UMVC3 looking good. Hungrybox and Dr PP in winner's top 8 for melee. I won't be able to take all these matches today. Here's to mime and to 20xx not taking Evo.
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Post by: Barren on July 19, 2015, 09:24:17 am
Here it is everyone! Thank you all for watching the tournament. And GG everyone! When will there be a Season 5? We will find out in the future. I can almost guarantee that the next patch has to come out first before we can decide that. For now, enjoy the final match and even a bonus match I threw in there. And congrats to our champion!

FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 4 Championship Match (https://youtu.be/EOvMstEgNL4)
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Post by: Shintroy on July 19, 2015, 10:47:36 am
Even though Andante has to win six games to take this it' way more likely he wins six than me winning three. It was pure luck I took the winner's finals 2-0. It'll really all come down to stage position. It's not likely my mime will be able to get to the monk or archer, and even less likely I can get off mimic daravon.

R1 - Good start for Andante. Got rid of the monk early and gets the high ground early into the round. Slowly takes the entire game. rip.

R2 - Another bad start for me. Monk and Time Mage goes down early. The mime isn't going after the monk or archer so I doubt me taking this round either.Calling it now especially with the mime and time mage down.

R3 - Decent start for me. The team took down the monk and has a pretty healthy lead. It doesn't last for long though. That monk gets back up and pincers my team with the archer. The mime never really got to do anything. Q u i c k bracket reset. The nerves never settle.



R1 - 1, 2, 3 quickenings at the start. The best kind of start possible. If I don't take this game, I have no shot at taking this. My team's not good on medium sized maps. The teams collide and my mime almost gets taken out. A really huge sleep on the monk and archer at the start... Let's see where this leads...After what felt like forever, I finally take it when the chemist and time mage get close. I though tit was over when my monk went for a bag attack and triggered HP restore. This was only possible at 12 speed mime. Talk about a bad match up. Surprised I got this far without Kiyomori.

R2 - More of a medium sized map than small one. Easy loss, especially with andante having the high ground from the start.

R3 - If the Fire Emblem theme isn't enough for to take this round nothing is. ... How did my Time Mage get all the way over there? Easy Loss.

R4 - More of a large than a medium.

GG. Andante. I thought Barren or the other air absorb team would be my worst match up in the tournament. Completely over looked testing against armored units. Did not expect to see lancer make it this far so that's refreshing. I used too much luck earlier in the tournament. At least it's over.

Thought I had another round due the time. p l a y i n g  w i t h  m y  h e a r t. GGs. Fun tournament, but would I do it again? That's up to the next patch. My next team will be much less reliant on stalling and maps. Hopefully SP altering is removed, Mime gets an SP buff and I don't have to rely on quickening to stand a chance against teams.


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Post by: dw6561 on July 19, 2015, 05:36:16 pm

Congradulations Andante! And great job to Shintroy for making it to the finals. As someone who got totally thrashed by Andante's team, I can say that you definitely put up way more of a fight than I did.

I think if talk skill had hit a little more often and if Shintroy's team didn't get so split up like it did in some rounds, he could have put on a better offense. The monk dying so fast in each round didn't help things either. But that was a good finale for both teams I'd say.


The "Pub Fight" at the end was so perfect. "Challenger approaching!" Cue Gold Saucer music XD.



I've really enjoyed participating in this. I've learned so much and I'm itching to improve my teams for future matches.
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Post by: Barren on July 19, 2015, 07:15:37 pm
You're in the top ten dw6561. That's honestly not too bad for your first time.
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Post by: Corosar on July 19, 2015, 10:35:08 pm


Wow what an outcome... congrats andante for the win. I can't wait for the next tournament.. but i have alot of learning left to do before the next season...

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Post by: Mudvayne on July 19, 2015, 11:11:16 pm
Awesome tourney. I had a great time in my first tournament and didn't do too bad. I've learned quite a bit and am looking forward to future tourneys.

I wouldn't mind another quick tournament this summer.. Maybe a SCC tourney? I'd be interested in that.
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Post by: skiploom188 on July 19, 2015, 11:23:05 pm
Mime's were the most feared class in this season. And Andante's team just smashed through them if he ever faced one. A very inspiring win! That being said, I really like Shintroy's team. The deadly spam of status and Mash the Monk who keeps getting back up is a win combo. Everytime he does that Quickening in his first turn then followed by the mime, you know you're f***ed.

Fun tournament, I'll be waiting for the next one...
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Post by: Andante49 on July 20, 2015, 01:01:17 am
On eggshells the whole time, even when I had the advantage all it would take is a mimic daravon to connect and the monk to get up with one-shot wave fists to turn the tide. Some questionable decisions from the mime, going for a bag smack instead of blackmailing the charging time mage and trying for refute when the poison wouldn't drop her to name a few, let me take it. The video timer with the surprise pub fight had me believing that I lost to a few 10+ minute mime-induced stall victories, that'll teach me to "cheat" by looking at the duration. And that pub fight, super embarrassing, glad I didn't run into such a fine tuned magic team. 100% Raise 2's and 200+ Moogles, no thank you. Also, the lancer deciding the time mage was dead weight and leaving her to crystallize was a super dick move, don't think those two will be on speaking terms now.

GG Shintroy, you might not have won it all in the Year of the Mime but, definitely showed everyone the power of a well executed mime team. Really looking forward to what you put together in the future.

Thanks to all the recorders TrueLight, Barren, Gaignun, and Mudvayne for putting together another great season. Can't wait for Season 5!
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Post by: Corosar on July 20, 2015, 01:08:25 am
Quote from: Andante49 on July 20, 2015, 01:01:17 am
On eggshells the whole time, even when I had the advantage all it would take is a mimic daravon to connect and the monk to get up with one-shot wave fists to turn the tide. Some questionable decisions from the mime, going for a bag smack instead of blackmailing the charging time mage and trying for refute when the poison wouldn't drop her to name a few, let me take it. The video timer with the surprise pub fight had me believing that I lost to a few 10+ minute mime-induced stall victories, that'll teach me to "cheat" by looking at the duration. And that pub fight, super embarrassing, glad I didn't run into such a fine tuned magic team. 100% Raise 2's and 200+ Moogles, no thank you. Also, the lancer deciding the time mage was dead weight and leaving her to crystallize was a super dick move, don't think those two will be on speaking terms now.

GG Shintroy, you might not have won it all in the Year of the Mime but, definitely showed everyone the power of a well executed mime team. Really looking forward to what you put together in the future.

Thanks to all the recorders TrueLight, Barren, Gaignun, and Mudvayne for putting together another great season. Can't wait for Season 5!




I thought it was because your time mage was zombied before death... does that carry through to dead status... if so... there was no hope for that character once she was dropped.
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Post by: Andante49 on July 20, 2015, 01:39:15 am
Quote from: Corosar on July 20, 2015, 01:08:25 am

I thought it was because your time mage was zombied before death... does that carry through to dead status... if so... there was no hope for that character once she was dropped.



So she was, I missed the reapply before she died. I guess he's off the hook then. Zombie does persist after death but, it gives a 50% revival chance when the counter hits zero so it can backfire. Although undead protection is rare and Holy Water is usually the first cut from item to save JP so it's a pretty safe strategy and it can "weaponize" your typically defensive Raise2 user
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Post by: Corosar on July 20, 2015, 02:11:19 am
Quote from: Andante49 on July 20, 2015, 01:39:15 am
So she was, I missed the reapply before she died. I guess he's off the hook then. Zombie does persist after death but, it gives a 50% revival chance when the counter hits zero so it can backfire. Although undead protection is rare and Holy Water is usually the first cut from item to save JP so it's a pretty safe strategy and it can "weaponize" your typically defensive Raise2 user




ahh good to keep in mind... yea i expected it to have a 50% chance of backfiring and having them come back up at the end of their timer... though there are a fair ammount of ways of using it against people.. concecration and as you mentioned raise and raise 2 work well... i think pheonix downs also instakill too..
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Post by: Barren on July 20, 2015, 03:28:21 am
In this version Phoenix Down only does 25% damage to the target's current HP. So it really has been downgraded than what it used to do. X/Hi Potions or Raise 1/2 are the way to go on zombified units. You can also follow it up with Seal Evil or Consecration (even though it's barely used).
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Post by: Corosar on July 20, 2015, 04:11:58 am
Quote from: Barren on July 20, 2015, 03:28:21 am
In this version Phoenix Down only does 25% damage to the target's current HP. So it really has been downgraded than what it used to do. X/Hi Potions or Raise 1/2 are the way to go on zombified units. You can also follow it up with Seal Evil or Consecration (even though it's barely used).

I actually had consecration on my paladin in this tournament. Though i never got to use it with my oracle's zombie she had... ahh well. but yea i thought phoenix down would have instakilled zombies... good to keep in mind.
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Post by: Elmdork on July 20, 2015, 08:36:20 am
Great tournament, guys! Thanks mudvayne, andante, gaigun, TL and especially barren for putting it all together. This final match was nuts.

Oh damn. Those fail refutes made me sad every time. Truly a nail biter, mime was inches from making a mockery of this tournament. Nice to see lancer made it to finals, they don't nearly get the love they deserve and are more often seen as a bad multi class than a decent straight up lancer. Armored 10 speed item bot is cool too, I've had some lancer ideas on the back burner for a while, suppose I'll slap them together in honor of the winning team.

Shintroy, we'll show em' next year. After all is said and done, I think we made a great impression with our mimes and I am proud of myself, you should be too. I look forward to seeing you in the regular season.

GG to the both of you, and gaigun who got to throw a couple shots in ;)
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Post by: Gaignun on July 20, 2015, 11:50:09 am
Thanks to Barren, Mudvayne, and TrueLight for hosting, and to Andante for timely management of the brackets.  My contribution was a small one.


Two remarkably similar teams:

  • One monk on offense

  • One time mage on support

  • One tanky item bot

and boatloads of SP all around.  The only remarkable difference is the wild card: A mime for Shintroy and an archer for Andante.  I think this wildcard is what determined the outcome.  The mime simply couldn't provide the raw offense that the archer could.  The mime stalled Andante a bit, but Andante wouldn't break so easily (with the exception of round 2, match 1, when Shintroy trapped Andante in a resurrection loop).  With robust defense, Andante was able to endure Shintroy's status tactics and wear out Shintroy with raw offense.

By the way, good idea with the pub match, Barren!  By padding out the video with an extra match, it was more difficult to predict how the grand finals would end.  I honestly wasn't expecting to be given a chance to face a team of season 4.  I really appreciate it!


Quote from: Mudvayne on July 19, 2015, 11:11:16 pmI wouldn't mind another quick tournament this summer.. Maybe a SCC tourney? I'd be interested in that.


I was thinking of a skill challenge, myself.  In this challenge, we would require at least one unit to learn a certain skill (e.g., Ultima, Demi 1/2, Lich, Song/Dance.)  The idea would be to encourage players to get creative with skills that aren't commonly seen in the meta-game.
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Post by: Barren on July 20, 2015, 01:57:29 pm
I think that would be a good idea too. A SCC tourney with a rule of only using one copy of an ability (i.e only one unit can have ultima).
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Post by: TrueLight on July 20, 2015, 02:52:32 pm
Hope everyone enjoyed the tournament!

Although I didn't make it as far as the other hosts, it was a fun experience for me. Hope to see you all next time.
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Post by: CupOfOrangeJuice on July 20, 2015, 05:27:25 pm
Just want to give a big shoutout to everyone who helped make this tournament happen! I had a great time participating in it, and was good to watch all the other creative ideas and matches from other teams.
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Post by: Elmdork on July 20, 2015, 11:15:07 pm
I'm down for a SCC, preferably standard rules. Tough to get that all underway before the fall, but if we start registration soon, we should get another good turnout.
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Post by: Corosar on July 21, 2015, 02:24:00 am
Okay... i am new to this so please excuse the dumb*** that is me... but..w....what is a SCC?

*edit* ohh wait ... a skill tournament? again dumb new to this yata yata.
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Post by: Reks on July 21, 2015, 04:52:49 am
Quote from: Corosar on July 21, 2015, 02:24:00 am
Okay... i am new to this so please excuse the dumb*** that is me... but..w....what is a SCC?

*edit* ohh wait ... a skill tournament? again dumb new to this yata yata.


Single Class Challenge.

Basically all four units all have to be the same main job.

And please let's not do the whole 'claiming' thing like last time. That's really, really restrictive.

I mean, I can say I'm gonna use Squires no hands down, but anyone else is free to use them as well and doesn't have to feel that I just stole their place from the getgo. That's no fun.
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Post by: Corosar on July 21, 2015, 05:00:18 am
Ohhh thanks reks! hmmm i would not mind joining that... it could be alot of fun!~
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Post by: Barren on July 21, 2015, 06:59:14 am
Last time I did the claim rule it was because I was really pushing to see as many different classes as possible. I'll allow more freedom this time around that way we can further pin point why classes aren't being used as much and what we can do to make them better.

I am aware that it was established a while back, but if we do this next month then it would drive the issues with the NU classes home.

I can probably start a registration sometime next week if people are interested already
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Post by: Corosar on July 21, 2015, 07:21:40 am
Totally interested barren.. i love to join up! though i have not done anything like this before i wanna so jump at it!~
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Post by: Heroebal on July 21, 2015, 02:32:57 pm
That was a pretty awesome finale and fairly dominant showing by Andante throughout it and the whole tournament as well.  I look forward to the next tournament as well.