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Data collection of Season 1

Started by Fosil, July 03, 2012, 12:35:29 am

Fosil

July 03, 2012, 12:35:29 am Last Edit: July 03, 2012, 12:46:41 am by Tojoe
Herein I gathered tallies of jobs/items/abilities used in nearly all of the teams from the MemCard Generator spreadsheet. (It is far from fully accurate-it may not include all. However, the data still stands for what its worth.)

This outlines the best, and thus, the most popular.
You could say my goal in this is to encourage the buffing of low-popularity items/jobs/skillsets so that the best aren't quite the best anymore. Easier said than done, I know--balancing is tricky business.

Collection Highlights
(In order of most to least. See if you can guess the best! Full lists & counts in spoilers below)
Top 5 primary jobs: Archer, Scholar, Ninja, Bard, Monk
Top 5 secondary skillsets: Item, White Magic, Draw Out, Ninjitsu, Punch Art
Top 5 reactions: Auto Potion, Damage Split, MA Save, Absorb MP, PA Save
Top 5 support: Magic Attack UP, Attack UP, Short Charge, Defense UP, Throw Item
Top 5 movement: Move-HP Up, Move-MP Up, Move+1, Fly, Teleport
Top weapons of each type: Platina Dagger, Hidden Knife, Rune Blade, Defender, Murasame, Battle Axe, Faith Rod, Wizard Staff, Scorpion Tail, Romanda Gun, Gastrafitis, Mythril Bow, Bloody Strings, Battle Dict, Dragon Whisker, Ivory Rod, H Bag, Persia
Top 5 shields: Genji Shield, Venetian Shield, Aegis Shield, Kaiser Plate, Escutcheon II
Top headgear of each type: Diamond Helmet, Golden Hairpin, Ribbon
Top bodygear of each type: Reflect Mail, Black Costume, Linen Robe
Top accessory of each type: Sprint Shoes, Magic Gauntlet, Angel Ring, 108 Gems, Vanish Mantle, Chantage

63   Archer
53   Scholar
51   Ninja
51   Bard
46   Monk
44   Thief
42   Paladin
40   Priest
39   Oracle
39   Samurai
28   Chemist
27   Mediator
25   Lancer
25   Dancer
22   Wizard
21   Squire
18   Mime
16   Time Mage
15   Summoner
11   Geomancer
126   Item
100   White Magic
83   Draw Out
48   Ninjitsu
47   Punch Art
34   Summon Magic
30   Steal
25   Chivalry
24   Time Magic
20   Snipe
20   Talk Skill
18   Basic Skill
13   Black Magic
13   Sing
12   Yin Yang Magic
10   Elemental
8   Jump
7   Dance
2   Lore
105   Auto Potion
57   Damage Split
53   MA Save
43   Absorb MP
37   PA Save
35   Dragon Spirit
33   HP Restore
30   Abandon
29   MP Restore
28   Counter Flood
24   Counter
24   Projectile Guard
19   Awareness
16   Counter Magic
14   Speed Save
11   Regenerator
11   Faith Up
10   Finger Guard
9   Critical Quick
7   Meatbone Slash
6   Sunken State
6   Distribute
0   Brave Up
0   Counter Tackle
98   Magic Attack UP
95   Attack UP
94   Short Charge
47   Defense UP
43   Throw Item
39   Unyielding
38   Equip Shield
34   Overwhelm
29   Equip Armor
24   Two Swords
20   Martial Arts
19   Equip Ranged
19   Magic Defend UP
13   Equip Polearm
12   Half of MP
11   Two Hands
5   Equip Magegear
2   Maintenance
1   Equip Light Blade
0   Equip Clothes
0   Defend
0   Equip Hvy Blade
0   Monster Talk
174   Move-HP Up
129   Move-MP Up
71   Move+1
49   Fly
31   Teleport
21   Float
12   Flee
10   Ignore Height
0   Jump +1
0   Jump +2
25   Platina Dagger
17   Main Gauche
12   Orichalcum
6   Mage Masher
4   Air Knife
2   Dual Cutters
2   Blind Knife
1   Assassin Dagger
0   Throwing Knife
   
38   Hidden Knife
18   Ninja Knife
9   Sasuke Knife
6   Koga Knife
4   Short Edge
2   Ninja Edge
2   Iga Knife
1   Spell Edge
41   Rune Blade
9   Blood Sword
3   Ancient Sword
3   Sleep Sword
2   Diamond Sword
2   Platinum Sword
1   Ice Brand
0   Coral Sword
   
6   Defender
4   Chaos Blade
2   Excalibur
1   Save the Queen
1   Ragnarok
   
12   Murasame
12   Muramasa
5   Asura Knife
5   Kikuichimonji
5   Masamune
2   Bizen Boat
2   Heaven's Cloud
2   Chirijiraden
1   Kiyomori
0   Kotetsu Knife
31   Faith Rod
19   Wizard Rod
17   Prismatic Rod
3   Flame Rod
2   Poison Rod
1   Ice Rod
1   Dragon Rod
0   Thunder Rod
   
32   Wizard Staff
17   Mace of Zeus
5   Rainbow Staff
5   Gold Staff
4   White Staff
0   Healing Staff
17   Romanda Gun
17   Blaze Gun
11   Stone Gun
9   Blast Gun
8   Mythril Gun
8   Glacier Gun
   
20   Mythril Bow
3   Ultimus Bow
0   Long Bow
0   Silver Bow
0   Ice Bow
0   Lightning Bow
0   Windslash Bow

7   Gastrafitis
6   Night Killer
3   Poison Bow
2   Cross Bow
2   Hunting Bow
0   Bow Gun
13   Dragon Whisker
6   Obelisk
5   Javelin
3   Partisan
3   Holy Lance
1   Spear
0   Mythril Spear
   
33   Ivory Rod
10   Octagon Rod
3   Whale Whisker
1   Iron Fan
0   Gokuu Rod
8   Battle Axe
4   Giant Axe
3   Slasher
   
15   Scorpion Tail
5   Spiked Futon
4   Aspergillum
0   Sadist's Whip
   
16   H Bag
14   FS Bag
10   P Bag
3   C Bag
   
6   Battle Dict
2   Monster Dict
1   Papyrus Plate
1   Madlemgen

8   Bloody Strings
5   Fairy Harp
0   Lamia Harp
   
5   Persia
3   Ryozan Silk
1   Cashmere
35   Genji Shield
35   Venetian Shield
19   Aegis Shield
19   Kaiser Plate
11   Escutcheon II
8   Ice Shield
8   Flame Shield
5   Mythril Shield
4   Platina Shield
3   Gold Shield
3   Diamond Shield
3   Crystal Shield
26   Diamond Helmet
25   Barbuta
22   Crystal Helmet
18   Circlet
16   Cross Helmet
13   Gold Helmet
7   Grand Helmet
3   Mythril Helmet
3   Platina Helmet
0   Genji Helmet

30   Reflect Mail
28   Carabini Mail
13   Diamond Armor
12   Gold Armor
10   Platina Armor
6   Genji Armor
0   Crystal Armor
0   Maximilian
141   Golden Hairpin
80   Black Hood
68   Thief Hat
67   Green Beret
48   Holy Miter
46   Twist Headband
27   Flash Hat

98   Black Costume
74   Power Sleeve
55   Wizard Outfit
47   Brigandine
36   Earth Clothes
31   Rubber Costume
29   Santa Outfit
18   Secret Clothes
31   Ribbon
10   Cachusha
3   Barette

37   Linen Robe
37   Robe of Lords
16   Wizard Robe
14   Silk Robe
13   Chameleon Robe
13   White Robe
11   Black Robe
10   Light Robe
39   Sprint Shoes
36   Red Shoes
35   Battle Boots
24   Germinas Boots
11   Iron Boots
10   Rubber Shoes
8   Feather Boots
   
47   Magic Gauntlet
39   Bracer
4   Power Wrist
1   Genji Gauntlet
   
43   Angel Ring
38   Magic Ring
33   Reflect Ring
13   Cursed Ring
4   Defense Ring
   
24   108 Gems
18   N-Kai Armlet
8   Diamond Armlet
0   Jade Armlet
0   Defense Armlet
   
17   Vanish Mantle
11   Dracula Mantle
9   Elf Mantle
8   Small Mantle
6   Feather Mantle
2   Wizard Mantle
1   Leather Mantle
   
69   Chantage
47   Setiemson
46   Cherche
6   Salty Rage

Suffice to say, it is sad when so many items are neglected. Next step: suggestions for improvement? How about it, Arena-masters? :)
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CT5Holy

Effort is much appreciated. However, you're a bit late - within the Arena S1 thread several people have collected data much like you have, and the changes for the new version have more or less been done (check the Stats/Ability discussion thread for details).

Also, and I guess this is my main gripe, is that most popular =/= best. I'm not sure that Archer is one of the top 5 jobs. It's good, sure, but not super amazing (at least IMO). Top 5 Movement isn't really relevant since there aren't many movement abilities in Arena. That said, those 5 movements are the best movements, so no complaining in the accuracy department, haha.

Skillsets aren't the whole story, either. Ninjitsu, for example, is primarily used for some combination of Kagesougi, Shuriken, and the -tons. There are still bad/unused skills in Ninjitsu, like Doku no Kyoukai. There should probably be more focus on individual skills, like Masamune in DO, Mimic Daravon in Talk Skill, Raise 2 in WM, etc. Gaignun (I think) noted how like ~90% of the Draw Out users in the tournament had Masamune. That's a good sign that something's wrong.

More notably, however, is that by your definition, Romanda Gun is the best gun, and Murasame is the best katana. I am very certain that no one would agree with these statements. The magic guns are far more deadly than Romanda, and Murasame does... very little. As far as I'm concerned, it's just +1 MA since you can't hurt the opponent with it. Murasame is probably one of the worst katanas for exactly that reason.

A better set of data would be what the top 5-10 teams were using, since those teams have proved themselves to be strong. I don't think we'll be seeing any Romanda Guns or Murasames in the top 5-10, for example.

The other thing to keep in mind is that a new version will be out soon, with lots (and I mean lots) of exciting changes. Things will be very different. Tons of new items, and indeed weaker items/skills have been buffed, along with some appropriate nerfs (Masamune, Magic Guns).
Winner of the 1st FFT 1.3 AI Tourney

Fosil

I had heard about the new patch for arena--but last I checked, I didn't see much in terms of changes. Nor did I think things were being finalized just yet. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong place.  :oops:

And perhaps I was full of it for saying popular = best. I should have just let the numbers do the talking. :)

Thank you for pointing that out, though. Now that I see the changes coming, I'm quite pleased!
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