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Projects => Completed Mods => Celdia's Complete Patch => Topic started by: Celdia on October 08, 2011, 08:48:41 am

Title: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 08, 2011, 08:48:41 am
Going to be collecting all the prelim matches in this opening post for ease of access.

The Return of Kai Shin! (Barren) vs. My Very First CCP Extravaganza (Wiz) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIzT9Pqqiq8)

Debuffers (Eternal248) vs. Seuss' Soldiers (Scearcely) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNv7QmVm0tk)

Some Dudes (Lady Ladile) vs. "Die, Monster!" (Aquilae) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaN4eNHK8U)

#ihopethisworks (Kalas) vs. Bad Strategy (CT5Holy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLii90_0NxE)

Some Dudes (Lady Ladile) vs. The Return of Kai Shin! (Barren)  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvF_mJgi1Cg)

Puella Magi (Michiru) vs. My First CCP Extravaganza (Wiz) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXtgdNgeBA)

Seuss' Soldiers (Scearcely) vs. The Return of Kai Shin! (Barren) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9pk1G6r9Q)

"Die Monster!" (Aquilae) vs. Debuffers (Eternal248) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSM6qEze6N8)

Sodas Rule (BlakGenius) vs. Pretty Petrify Pals (Dinosaur) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eH4Xqs2VpI)

Bad Strategy (CT5Holy) vs. "Die, Monster!" (Aquilae) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyC9FrKNkFw)

CCP Grudge Match! RavenofRazgriz vs. Dinosaur (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNDABOjyopw)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Scearcely on October 08, 2011, 12:51:34 pm
ok, either the ai is idiotic or you forgot to give my ghaele revivify... which one was it so i can plan for next time?
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Barren on October 08, 2011, 03:34:53 pm
ahh well, my team has it errors anyways or is that gunslingers are powerful in general? either way, GG Wiz
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Eternal on October 08, 2011, 03:39:20 pm
I approve of this battle.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Wiz on October 08, 2011, 05:03:11 pm
Quoteahh well, my team has it errors anyways or is that gunslingers are powerful in general? either way, GG Wiz


Gunslingers themselves aren't powerful when it comes to stats, but being able to dual-wield guns that do fixed amounts of damage and can be boosted by Attack UP is. Overall, I think you had a piss-poor matchup imo, because my Gunslinger's ability ,"Aim: Body", bypassed all that evasion ("Aim: X" is meant to do that) from your low HP Torero putting him out of commission and Ziggy went head to head against my Brawler and Ghaele whom both absorbed earth making it impossible for him to hit them. Basically, it was really a 2v4 in my favor.

About a gunslingers effectiveness (Should be obvious :P), with Attack UP and a 9 WP Gun, they're able to do around 198 (99 per gun) damage neutral compat, which is more than what your Berserk PA Buffed Brawler did to my Brawler at neutral compat. And compared to mostly everyone else, they have an initial speed of 9 to their 8 and are only surpassed by bandits, which have 10 ;D

Lastly, here's a tip, when using Gun Kata with Imbue, the unit only expends MP for the first shot. For example, when my chemist used Gamble on your units with both shots connecting, she only used 13 MP, not 26 (Cool exploitation huh?).

GG Barren :D
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 08, 2011, 05:08:59 pm
Next match is ready to go.

Some Dudes (Lady Ladile) vs. "Die, Monster!" (Aquilae) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaN4eNHK8U)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Lady Ladile on October 08, 2011, 05:31:25 pm
Ouch, I'm rather embarrassed. Also, Hamedo is such a dick move with two guns; I'll have to remember that for the future  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Aquilae on October 09, 2011, 01:06:36 pm
The AI doesn't seem to know how to use Ambush effectively. It looks as if they're treating it as just target:self instead of having an AoE of 1 centered around them.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Barren on October 09, 2011, 03:39:59 pm
Would I be able to put my team on hold until I can figure out a better one? because I still need some practice with CCP before I can come up with a efficient team that can win
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 09, 2011, 07:48:47 pm
@Aquilae: I've been working out some of the bugs in the AI. I'll take another look at Ambush to see if I can figure out the problem with it. As an example, after three hours of ducking around with it I finally got the AI to use Terminar correctly. Oddly I had to move the skill to a different skill slot to make it work. I have no idea why.

@Barren: Yeah, that's fine. Just repost it when you feel you've got it updated to something better.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Michiru on October 10, 2011, 07:30:55 pm
any vict-- i mean subjects want against my magical girls? wait does this make me kyuu bei ? :twisted: :lol:
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 11, 2011, 09:57:17 am
One more for the pile.

#ihopethisworks (Kalas) vs. Bad Strategy (CT5Holy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLii90_0NxE)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Kalas on October 11, 2011, 01:33:52 pm
Well now I know what to work on.

I'm really happy that Tacticians are pretty awesome though.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: CT5Holy on October 11, 2011, 04:32:22 pm

Whoa, very lucky dodge by my Mystic Knight in round 2. Things definitely would've gone differently if it had hit.
The Final Charge really was 'final,' seeing how the tactician promptly died to poison right after XD

/highfive Kalas for Tacticians

Thanks Celdia!
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 11, 2011, 06:00:05 pm
 Some Dudes (Lady Ladile) vs. The Return of Kai Shin! (Barren)  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvF_mJgi1Cg)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Scearcely on October 12, 2011, 01:06:57 am
tacticians did surprisingly well under AI control, i was impressed celdia
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Lady Ladile on October 12, 2011, 09:02:23 am
Okay, my team seems to more-or-less do what I wanted it to do, but it's obvious I need to rework it a bit because that Champion is dead weight as is.  Still, I'm happy to see that it seems fairly effective when starting at a distance; cramped maps appear to spell trouble  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Barren on October 12, 2011, 09:21:50 am
Well your team did good Lady Ladile. You gave me a good fight :)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 14, 2011, 10:01:29 am
Puella Magi (Michiru) vs. My First CCP Extravaganza (Wiz) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXtgdNgeBA)

Seuss' Soldiers (Scearcely) vs. The Return of Kai Shin! (Barren) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9pk1G6r9Q)

"Die Monster!" (Aquilae) vs. Debuffers (Eternal248) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSM6qEze6N8)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Wiz on October 14, 2011, 05:39:08 pm
Wow, can't believe I won against a Hamedo gunwielding team :O Then again, with 70 Brave, that Gunslinger and Chemist only have a 49% chance of triggering it twice in a row (.7 *.7). Still, I was on the edge of my seat this fight. And about my Ghaele not having MP... *Updates team once again* :D

Yeah, trading in 99 HP for a 6 MP gain seems kinda risky, but hey, that allows me to do 240 HP Terran Thrusts almost endlessly ^_^
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Michiru on October 15, 2011, 01:30:28 am
there will be a rematch wiz~ ! I demand it.  :twisted:
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 15, 2011, 02:30:20 pm
Sodas Rule (BlakGenius) vs. Pretty Petrify Pals (Dinosaur) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eH4Xqs2VpI)

Bad Strategy (CT5Holy) vs. "Die, Monster!" (Aquilae) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyC9FrKNkFw)

Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: CT5Holy on October 15, 2011, 02:54:54 pm

Yikes! Even that double Stop did nothing.
But uh, how come the Alchemist was able to absorb both Flowing Strike and Terran Thrust?
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 15, 2011, 03:04:59 pm
Weapon Strike Fix ASM. All of the MK skills will apply the weapon's element in addition to the skill's element to the skill. Stonestance was absorbing the Earth element applied from the Stonecutter sword.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: dinosaur on October 15, 2011, 03:11:15 pm
I am surprised my champion did not use more engrave. I gave him Czria (shell and protect), renew ring (heal) and angel ring. CT5Holy vs Aquilae battle the Mystic Knight used angel ring right away. Instead 4 reraise WOW!. And why was pummel able to heal the gunslinger.

I wonder if I should give my alchemist MP move up... he ran out of mp but never used a tincture and I need him to do solidify...

Anyways, MOAR PETRIFY.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: dinosaur on October 15, 2011, 03:12:13 pm
Mines are crazy strong...
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: BlakGenius on October 15, 2011, 10:38:25 pm
Cheap Soda Let me down lol o well I need another punching bag... Dino GG lol Gunslinger had HolyWing and Aura blast is holy
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 17, 2011, 11:30:16 pm
Here it is, folks! The battle you've all been waiting for!

CCP Grudge Match! RavenofRazgriz vs. Dinosaur (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNDABOjyopw)
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: dinosaur on October 18, 2011, 11:47:31 am
Barren thank you so much for doing the battle!! You know how much I lurv your videos!! I truly do appreciate the time :) and the wonderful trolling you did in the beginning. I was actually convinced that it was true XD.

Good work RR, I guess your knowledge of AI helped you out XD. You might have won this battle but there is a war still among us!! You just wait my good sir ;)

LET IT BE KNOWN!! In the Grudge Match, I actually did win two battles and RR won two himself ... so I consider this a tie :D
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Barren on October 19, 2011, 07:14:08 am
Quote from: dinosaur on October 18, 2011, 11:47:31 am
Barren thank you so much for doing the battle!! You know how much I lurv your videos!! I truly do appreciate the time :) and the wonderful trolling you did in the beginning. I was actually convinced that it was true XD.

Good work RR, I guess your knowledge of AI helped you out XD. You might have won this battle but there is a war still among us!! You just wait my good sir ;)

LET IT BE KNOWN!! In the Grudge Match, I actually did win two battles and RR won two himself ... so I consider this a tie :D



Well I'm glad you enjoyed the video dinosaur :) i really enjoyed doing commentary with CCP and its a refreshing experience from all those Arena videos which I am still currently doing. As I said on chat the other night i'll say it to you: Thank you for watching this special episode of CCP AI Battle! I'm glad you enjoyed the fight!
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Wiz on October 22, 2011, 05:53:12 pm
Are you done do prelim stuff and moving on to actually lay a foundation for the real thing or are you just taking a break atm?

I had fun watching these and hope I can see more :mrgreen:
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Celdia on October 23, 2011, 12:02:34 pm
Taking an unintended break. Its been a busy week and I haven't had the chance to record anything in a while. When I can find some time I'll be doing more prelim battles.
Title: Re: CCP - AI Battles - Videos and Discussion
Post by: Wiz on December 30, 2011, 03:57:09 am
Thought I'd add my own bit to this wonderful collection just for the hell of it :D

Celdia's Complete Patch v1.967 AI Battle Wiz vs Michiru (Matchup #2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp4-y5ppPPU&fmt=18)