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Suggestion for FFTPATCHER: equipment penalties / negative values

Started by reyhan37, August 03, 2015, 04:01:23 pm

reyhan37

I got the idea for implementing equipment weight from a few posts on the forum. I found that FFTPATCHER does not allow (to the best of my knowledge) for negative values. To implement weight, I would have to give speed bonuses to lighter equipment, which throws a whole bunch of other stuff off (long bows come to mind).

I'm not sure if this is a feasible mod, or already in the works, but I thought I would put it out there.

Xifanie

That's because the game does not inherently support negative stat "bonuses". Me as well have others have attempted to do this, only to encounter a multitude of graphical glitches which really makes it not worth it.

We're talking about a lot of work to be able to accomplish something like this. Yes, it would be nice, but I don't feel it's worthwhile.
  • Modding version: PSX
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Kaijyuu

Can the "null/empty" item be given stat bonuses? Sure it'd be kinda weird to have +5 speed baseline for every unit but it'd effectively allow you to do what you want.

EDIT: My attempts seem to show this is impossible to do with just the patcher. Maybe an ASM hack can overcome any hardcoding of the first item slot.
  • Modding version: PSX

gatebuster202

Doing it the long way, (giving everything else +1-2 speed) would just require some balancing on your part. (I am considering it, but only after I get everything else working as intended) We could discuss the merits of this elsewhere, if your interested.
  • Modding version: PSX
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Xifanie

If you make every piece of equipment something like 01 instead of 00 as their Item Attribute ID, yes, you can make empty slots Item Attribute 00) give +1 speed. But you also have to consider that there are 4 hand slots:
- Right Weapon
- Right Shield
- Left Weapon
- Left Shield

That brings you up to 7 item slots... Meaning +7 speed without any item equipped, and there's no real way to prevent this. If you want to try balancing things with +7 speed across the board, have fun, be my guest.
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Lockeadon

alma tool can grant negative values for some things, if i'm understanding it correctly, it covers what you want to do... i think

theultrawolf

So I'm correct in guessing you couldn't edit stats to where armor or something like that gives you negative HP, right? ._.
  • Modding version: PSX & WotL

Xifanie

Don't be sad, you can! You just need to ASM it yourself. But as a base, a byte range is -128 to +127, which is good for PA/MA/SP, but not so much for HP/MP.
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Lockeadon

i'm pretty sure alma allows negative and positive percentage bonuses in addition to discrete values for certain things. i remember seeing multiple posts specifically including those -hp in the alma topic. (alma 4 grants yadda yadda, or whatever it's called)