Gender Specific Jobs

[ShadowSkyle]

Hello everyone. I am in the process of making a new patch when I came across this problem. I've set Bard/Dancer as early level classes, and branched off from there.

(Using the original classes for ease of understanding, and possibly because it might be a problem with the base class)

Calculator class requires Chemist Lvl 3/Dancer Lvl 3.
Male unit gets to Chemist Lvl 3.
Calculator job unlocks for him.
Female unit needs to wait until they also get Dancer Lvl 3.

Being that I DON'T want male units to have access to the Calculator class, this is a problem. Any solutions?

Edit: This is happening for all of my gender-specific jobs. Opposite gender is disregarding Bard/Dancer requirements.

[Pickle Girl Fanboy]

There is no IF in determining job class prerequisites.  The AND is implied if several job classes are listed as prerequisites.

This is a good idea for a hack, I'd like to have it, especially if it's built into one of the spreadsheet hacks.  I don't know how much effort it'd take to make an IF(gender=male/female/monster, then require xyz job class level N).

[RavenOfRazgriz]

The Opposite Gender is always considered as having Job Level 8 in the Job they can't use.  Eg, male Chemist is already a Job Level 8 Dancer, female Chemist is already a Job Level 8 Bard.

While I recall a means of doing this innately, I've forgotten it and I remember it having display bugs, so I recommend you use RAD's version of the Job Wheel to make your Gender-divided Job Wheel happen.  I recommend keeping it to the original number of Jobs regardless of the fact RAD can go up to 34 though (35 is false advertising Pokeytax!) because the ENTD won't acknowledge the "new" Jobs that get added, and actively adding them can get kinda messy.

There is no IF in determining job class prerequisites.  The AND is implied if several job classes are listed as prerequisites.

What the fuck are you talking about?

This is a good idea for a hack, I'd like to have it, especially if it's built into one of the spreadsheet hacks.  I don't know how much effort it'd take to make an IF(gender=male/female/monster, then require xyz job class level N).

RAD? :V

[Pickle Girl Fanboy]

As in the functions IF and AND.  And I didn't know RAD was so advanced.

[ShadowSkyle]

Well, I did get it working through RAD3. However, now I have run into an issue where my custom characters (using the ASM hack to allow jobs 3A/3B to use unit/wldface 08/09) now display different faces (but only in battle). Job 3A is displaying Ramza's face, and 3B is displaying Lede's face...sigh...it's always something. This is only happening in battle. Sprites are fine. Faces are fine in formation menu.

Edit: This glitch doesn't even carry over into battle. It's only on the battle formation screen where you select which units will enter the battle.

[Glain]

I think there may be some overlap between what RAD patches and what that unit/wldface hack patches... so those hacks may not be compatible.

EDIT - Although it is a bit weird. The part that isn't working is specifically the attack.out part, but I don't know what RAD would change there vs. what that hack changes that would be any different from what happens with the rest of it (world.bin)... but there could be something overlapping there.

[ShadowSkyle]

Well, here is the xml code. Hopefully the error can be found.

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[ShadowSkyle]

Another issue arrived in RAD3. Even though I have all but the original generic jobs locked (by assigning a 1 to Bard and Dancer), suddenly one of my characters was able to access a whole lot of Astrologist jobs?!?!

Edit: Fixed this by making the prerequisites for unused classes 8 Bard/8 Dancer. However, now she has 2 squire classes...

Edit: This job only appears after completing a proposition. She did not gain JP off of the proposition (nor did any of my other characters). I'm thinking this is an error that also has to do with the ASM hack where special characters can do propositions. (The character in question is not a special character, but the two she goes on the proposition with are) When I send her on the proposition with generic classes, neither gain JP, but she does not get the random class addition, either. Going to try re-making the file without using that ASM and see what happens...

Update: Still not learning JP from jobs...odd. Though she's no longer getting a duplicate class, but that was the case as long as I didn't send her off with any special characters....Thoughts, anyone?

[Glain]

RAD and the unit/wldface hack are definitely changing the same line of attack.out. It's actually the segment that begins at 16BB0 in RAD that conflicts. You could try patching the unit/wldface hack after RAD... however, I believe the problem is that RAD actually changes where the game looks for pre-battle screen sprite/portrait values (to that segment at 16CEC that you posted). You could try altering that to include the 080009 that's in the other hack somewhere in that mess, wherever your job ID would be in the mix. It should be two bytes per job. I've never worked with RAD before, though, so I'm not too sure on whether this would work.

[Desocupado]

Given your results theres another way to implement this idea:
1 - Remove all units with base class Bard/Dancer (and/or all spill over xp)
2 - Give Male-only classes a Dancer requirement (and Bard for female-only)
3 - Make dancer/bard not accessible (If the class require job levels in itself will it be not accessible?)

[ShadowSkyle]

But then I'd lose classes. And with the already diminished amount of jobs allowed for males and females, that would hurt. But my problem isn't with the jobs. I have an issue with the portraits of my implemented unique characters during the pre-battle screen (a minor nuisance which can be overlooked), Propositions not giving JP and messing up things if I allow special characters to do propositions, and my newest problem that the Fur Shop is not appearing. Aside from these 3 issues, the game works like a charm. Oh...actually, there is one more issue. The 4 Dances I left in the game...at least one of them (Last Dance [others not tested] does not do what it's supposed to (Acts like a basic attack with the message pop-up "Madlemgen." Nothing about the ability is changed inside of FFTPatcher, so this is VERY odd)

[ShadowSkyle]

Ok, so I've fixed some problems, found workarounds for others, and am baffled by a couple.

First, the Fur Shop issue, about it not showing up. This was simply stupidity on my part. I completely forgot that it doesn't appear until the third chapter, and not the second. *Resolved*

Second, Dance...While I still don't understand how or why this happened, Dancing abilities do not work as they should (No, I haven't played with them at all in FFTPatcher). When I try to use a dance ability, it comes up with some random target area (Usually just one square away, though it seems to be based on the last action I took with that character). It also seems to repeat that last action. Workaround: if I press right on the D-pad while highlighting the ability (bringing me to the AT list), then go back and select the desired Dance ability, it works as intended. *Workaround, although I'd like to fix it*

Third, Sing...The songs don't always show the name of the ability, but at least they seem to work fine. *Don't care, but would be nice to fix it*

Fourth, portraits in pre-battle menu for custom characters do not show the appropriate portrait. I know the cause, and intend to play around with it after more important issues are resolved. *Don't care, but would be nice to fix it*

Finally, Propositions do not give JP. No idea what's causing this, and it's really hurt the game. Since I took Gained-JP out, this would have been the only option to bypass undesired jobs quickly. No longer being an option, I've temporarily given all jobs innate Gained-JP Up. *Top Priority*